The Hebrew word עולם/olam means eternal, everlasting, forever etc.

[Der Alte]

I've said many times that the claims made by some universalists stating that eternal hell is not eternal is FALSE and not for just the limited argument you make

This made me laugh I am not aware that any argument I made on any topic was "limited." I have been accused several times of posting walls of text. I strive to be thorough and provide credible, verifiable evidence. Versus "Well professor/PHD 'X' said such and such." I can't recall e.g. how many times I have quoted from BDAG or BDD, 2 of if not the most highly accredited Greek and Hebrew lexicons available. Both about $60 a pop.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

This made me laugh I am not aware that any argument I made on any topic was "limited."

Your focus is a single word, therefore limited

There are as you should know if you've followed some of these back and forths, many other legitimate criticisms of rendering a temporary LoF

Your argument being on the weaker side of the bunch

 

[Der Alte]

Your focus is a single word, therefore limited
There are as you should know if you've followed some of these back and forths, many other legitimate criticisms of rendering a temporary LoF
Your argument being on the weaker side of the bunch

I think not. I don't recall any discussion about the LOF. If I am getting that one word correct, I am on the side of preponderance of evidence. As I have said more than once the two sources I have quoted represent approx 120-160 years of scholarship for BDAG and approx 90-120 years of scholarship for BDB. vs. most recently the unsupported opinion of one scholar, . To say nothing of the study I did. Speaking of defining words. In '63 I was having a conversation in Germany with a friend, in German, when she said a word "beinah"[pronounced buy nah] I did not understand. So, she defined the word "Es ist noch nicht elf uhr aber beinah elf uhr." The time at that moment was 10:50, she had said, "It is not yet eleven o'clock but almost eleven o'clock." I learned the meaning of the word because it had been defined for me in a sentence.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

That's because you scared off all the URites

Not all URites , it’s just that sometimes it’s just not worth responding to certain posts. This one is not worth the time. If you think Olam is eternal then that’s ok . I for one know it’s not and this has been hashed over many times so why bother.

 

[Der Alte]

Not all URites , it’s just that sometimes it’s just not worth responding to certain posts. This one is not worth the time. If you think Olam is eternal then that’s ok . I for one know it’s not and this has been hashed over many times so why bother.

No, you do not "know" that "olam" means eternal. That is what you choose to believe because it lines up with your denominational teachings. OTOH I have supported my posts with a quote from the Brown Driver Briggs Hebrew lexicon to say nothing of the individual study I did. Here are the first 10 our of 48. Note 4, 6, 7 and 8 God Himself is speaking. I hope God did not get it wrong.

[1] Ecclesiastes 3:14​

(14) I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: [עולם] nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.​

[2]Psalms 37:28​

(28) For the LORD loveth justice, and forsaketh not His saints; they are preserved for ever; [עולם] but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.​

[3]Psalms 45:17​

(17) (45:18) I will make thy name to be remembered in all generations; therefore shall the peoples praise thee for ever and ever. [לעלם ועד]​

[4]Isaiah 51:6​

(6) Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath; for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner; but My salvation shall be forever, [עולם] and My favour shall not be abolished.​

[5]Isaiah 55:13​

(13) Instead of the thorn shall come up the cypress, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle; and it shall be to the LORD for a memorial, for an everlasting [עולם] sign that shall not be cut off.​

[6]Isaiah 56:5​

(5) Even unto them will I give in My house and within My walls a monument and a memorial better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting [עולם] memorial, that shall not be cut off.​

[7]Jeremiah 23:40​

(40) and I will bring an everlasting [עולם] reproach upon you, and a perpetual [עולם] shame, which shall not be forgotten.​

[8]Jeremiah 31:40​

(40) And the whole valley of the dead bodies, and of the ashes, and all the fields unto the brook Kidron, unto the corner of the horse gate toward the east, shall be holy unto the LORD; it shall not be plucked up, nor thrown down any more for ever. [עולם]​

[9]Jeremiah 50:5​

(5) They shall inquire concerning Zion with their faces hitherward: 'Come ye, and join yourselves to the LORD in an everlasting [עולם] covenant that shall not be forgotten.'​

[10]Jeremiah 51:39​

(39) With their poison I will prepare their feast, and I will make them drunken, that they may be convulsed, and sleep a perpetual [עולם] sleep, and not wake, saith the LORD.​

ETA: Ooops. I just checked and I missed one vs. in my list of 48 vss. in which olam is defined as eternal.

Daniel 7:14​

(14) And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting [עולם] dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.​

 

[Jeff Saunders]

No, you do not "know" that "olam" means eternal. That is what you choose to believe because it lines up with your denominational teachings. OTOH I have supported my posts with a quote from the Brown Driver Briggs Hebrew lexicon to say nothing of the individual study I did. Here are the first 10 our of 48. Note 4, 6, 7 and 8 God Himself is speaking. I hope God did not get it wrong.

[1] Ecclesiastes 3:14​

(14) I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: [עולם] nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.​

[2]Psalms 37:28​

(28) For the LORD loveth justice, and forsaketh not His saints; they are preserved for ever; [עולם] but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.​

[3]Psalms 45:17​

(17) (45:18) I will make thy name to be remembered in all generations; therefore shall the peoples praise thee for ever and ever. [לעלם ועד]​

[4]Isaiah 51:6​

(6) Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath; for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner; but My salvation shall be forever, [עולם] and My favour shall not be abolished.​

[5]Isaiah 55:13​

(13) Instead of the thorn shall come up the cypress, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle; and it shall be to the LORD for a memorial, for an everlasting [עולם] sign that shall not be cut off.​

[6]Isaiah 56:5​

(5) Even unto them will I give in My house and within My walls a monument and a memorial better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting [עולם] memorial, that shall not be cut off.​

[7]Jeremiah 23:40​

(40) and I will bring an everlasting [עולם] reproach upon you, and a perpetual [עולם] shame, which shall not be forgotten.​

[8]Jeremiah 31:40​

(40) And the whole valley of the dead bodies, and of the ashes, and all the fields unto the brook Kidron, unto the corner of the horse gate toward the east, shall be holy unto the LORD; it shall not be plucked up, nor thrown down any more for ever. [עולם]​

[9]Jeremiah 50:5​

(5) They shall inquire concerning Zion with their faces hitherward: 'Come ye, and join yourselves to the LORD in an everlasting [עולם] covenant that shall not be forgotten.'​

[10]Jeremiah 51:39​

(39) With their poison I will prepare their feast, and I will make them drunken, that they may be convulsed, and sleep a perpetual [עולם] sleep, and not wake, saith the LORD.​

Case in point, cut and paste, same old thing.

 

[Servus]

Not all URites , it’s just that sometimes it’s just not worth responding to certain posts. This one is not worth the time. If you think Olam is eternal then that’s ok . I for one know it’s not and this has been hashed over many times so why bother.

I hear you.

 

[Der Alte]

Case in point, cut and paste, same old thing.

And you got zilch.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

I don't recall any discussion about the LOF.

My apologies. I assumed you read the threads where you were participating

 

[Servus]

And you got zilch.

You mean this time, or the umpteen other times you posted that?

 

[Der Alte]

My apologies. I assumed you read the threads where you were participating

I'm not aware of any rule that one read the entire thread when responding to a particular post. Perhaps you could point me to such rule.