How did you become convinced that APOKATASTASIS or the reconciliation of all things is true.

[Servus]

Notice that there are many false teachings, heresies, deceptions and so on for instance on the forum.
There are not many false gospels. False gospel bringers are accursed. That is what God Says in Scripture.
False teachings , heresies , deceptions and so on are addressed separately and differently by what God Says.
False Gospels like ur are simply forbidden.

Again many teachings and doctrines are considered heresy, depending on what one believes. Most Christians consider teaching that Christians are bound to Mosaic law and the Old Covenant to be total heresy and false teaching.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Being open to deception leads to deception, and more deception as time goes by.
The god of this world loves it when people listen to the little lies, and they do not realize they can no longer hear Jesus, nor do they realize that because of their perversion Jesus does not hear their prayers.

How are you so certain that it is not you that has been deceived? You keep talking about and railing against something you do not understand, and I would bet have never read one book about what Christian Universal Redemption/Salvation is about and what it teaches and why we believe what we do. All I see is fear that if you are not 100% correct on all that your tradition teaches you will go to “hell” and there are no second chances. Trust me that is not thinking from God that’s from the enemy, he wants you to think of our Father as one who is angry and can’t wait to drop the hammer on those who would dare not follow his every whim , the enemy what’s you to think that God hates his creation and if you don’t have Jesus in between you and God he will torture you forever. Well that’s not God , he is a loving Father who will stop at nothing to have all his creation safe in his arms, he would even become human and live a sinless life and be beaten beyond recognition and die on the cross, saying to those killing him Father forgive them they don’t know what they are doing. That’s the God of scripture and the God I follow.

 

[Servus]

How are you so certain that it is not you that has been deceived? You keep talking about and railing against something you do not understand.

People think I believe in UR, when I'm uncertain about it, simply because I took some time to learn about it. They probably think I'm promoting it because I'm always having to correct their misconceptions.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

People think I believe in UR, when I'm uncertain about it, simply because I took some time to learn about it. They probably think I'm promoting it because I'm always having to correct their misconceptions.

Thanks for being intellectually honest. I do not believe we should be divided because some of us believe that the God of Love , life, and light in whom is no darkness, will pursue all his creation even after their mortal body dies. Do I believe that ECT is degrading to God and that it is from the enemy, yes but we should not be divided over it. The early church did not divide over this and we should not either. Can we have spirited debate? Yes and it’s good , one man sharpening another, but building walls NO. We are already opposed by the world if we follow Jesus , we don’t need to shoot each other. Many years ago I heard some one say “ Christians are the only army that shoots it wounded” I personally don’t see anyone as the enemy, do we all have thinking that is not of God , YES but we are all mortals seeking God with a sin infected brain and see through a glass dimly, so we will not all agree in this age but we must be united. Jesus prayed that we would be one as he and the Father are one, I believe we have failed on that .

 

[Jipsah]

The god of this world loves it when people listen to the little lies, and they do not realize they can no longer hear Jesus, nor do they realize that because of their perversion Jesus does not hear their prayers.

So Nick wins, and poor God, there's just nothing He can do. Yeah, He can speak the universe into existence, but the beings that He has created can thwart His plans at every turn. So much so that people for whom He suffered humiliation and torment to save, will live forever in agony, and There's Nothing He Can Do.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

So Nick wins, and poor God, there's just nothing He can do. Yeah, He can speak the universe into existence, but the beings that He has created can thwart His plans at every turn. So much so that people for whom He suffered humiliation and torment to save, will live forever in agony, and There's Nothing He Can Do.

That’s what our family calls a puny god

 

[caffeinated hermit]

I learn towards UR. Not totally convinced, but do at least believe that everyone is going to get a chance. I've known many, many Christ-like people over the years, people who didn't even profess Christ. Why would Christ not look on their kindness and mercy with mercy of His own? Doesn't Scripture say that we will be judged by our works? All of us?

Contact with Eastern Orthodox and Catholic theology has left me more hopeful in something like UR than I was as an Evangelical.

 

[Jipsah]

Oh but you do err. I agree that God did, in fact, "choose all" but all did NOT choose God.

EOB Matt 7:21 It is not everyone who tells me, ‘Lord, Lord’ who will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many [NOT a few] will tell me in that Day, ‘Lord, Lord, did not we prophesy in your Name, cast out demons in your Name and do many deeds of power in your Name?’ 23 Then I [Jesus] will tell them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from me, you who do what is wicked.’​

 

[Jipsah]

So in your

Being open to deception leads to deception, and more deception as time goes by.
The god of this world loves it when people listen to the little lies, and they do not realize they can no longer hear Jesus, nor do they realize that because of their perversion Jesus does not hear their prayers.

So your belief is that in the end old Nick wins, because There's Just Nothing God Can Do. His will is thwarted at every turn by the malice, stupidity, ot both, of His creatures. God can create the universe, but He just can't get the creatures He designed and made from ruining it all.

This is essentially saying that in the end, God failed. That's rubbish. That's Nick saying, "Ha ha! I win in the end, and ruin everything that God set out to do.! " That's simply a lie, which is Satan's specialty, isn't it?

 

[Servus]

I learn towards UR. Not totally convinced, but do at least believe that everyone is going to get a chance. I've known many, many Christ-like people over the years, people who didn't even profess Christ. Why would Christ not look on their kindness and mercy with mercy of His own? Doesn't Scripture say that we will be judged by our works? All of us?

Contact with Eastern Orthodox and Catholic theology has left me more hopeful in something like UR than I was as an Evangelical.

I saw that you mentioned Sergei Bulgakov and David Bentley Hart in the EO forum. There's also an EO theologian named Brad Jersak whom you might find interesting. He has a lot of youtube videos.

You might find these videos interesting:

 

[caffeinated hermit]

I saw that you mentioned Sergei Bulgakov and David Bentley Hart in the EO forum. There's also an EO theologian named Brad Jersak whom you might find interesting. He has a lot of youtube videos.

You might find these videos interesting:

Cool, thank you! I'll watch those later today!

Edit To Add : @Servus These were wonderful, thank you! I especially loved the enthusiasm and heart of Mr. Jersak's sermon / explanation. And I do love Mr. Robinson's Substack Blog, so it was neat to see a video of him. Thank you.