• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

US and Ukraine agree terms on minerals deal, two sources say

essentialsaltes

Fact-Based Lifeform
Oct 17, 2011
44,460
47,442
Los Angeles Area
✟1,057,702.00
Country
United States
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Legal Union (Other)

Beclown Car News: Trump White House scrambles after allowing Russian state media into briefing

A reporter for Russian state media was allowed to attend a joint briefing between President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Friday, although the Trump White Houseclaimed this was done in error.

The correspondent, who was working for the TASS Russian news agency, was first spotted by The Independent's Andrew Feinberg, who broke news of his presence on X.

[Per Feinberg, the TASS correspondent was later escorted out.]
 
Upvote 0

iluvatar5150

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Aug 3, 2012
30,310
30,106
Baltimore
✟833,685.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Democrat
This video has a couple extra (mostly irrelevant) seconds at the beginning:

This video is amazing. Really, every time I think Trump et al aren't that bad, they prove me wrong. Maybe Zelensky shouldn't have chosen that moment to call out Vance's nonsense, but Vance's contributions to the situation were, at first, naive, and then paternalistic.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: rebornfree
Upvote 0

rambot

Senior Member
Apr 13, 2006
29,417
16,657
Up your nose....wid a rubbah hose.
✟468,678.00
Country
Canada
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
CA-Greens
So...
Did Zelenskyy sign thr agreement today?

Oh. Looks like trump et. Al messed it up again hey?
Just okaying make believe tough guy "why don't you believe our reality" is.



What an incompetent leader to just lie like that right to the man's face.
 
Upvote 0

rambot

Senior Member
Apr 13, 2006
29,417
16,657
Up your nose....wid a rubbah hose.
✟468,678.00
Country
Canada
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
CA-Greens
“The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated."

This comment turned out to be a bit of a case of putting the cart before the horses.
I held my breath in the 2nd or 3rd post.
Tbecu it's predictable


There is a reason you never ever ever trusat Trump When he trumpets things like this with other people.....because
It's a pathetically misguided pressure technique in his deal making.
 
Upvote 0

RocksInMyHead

God is innocent; Noah built on a floodplain!
May 12, 2011
9,744
10,554
PA
✟457,998.00
Country
United States
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Democrat
What? No.

I dont believe it
Zelensky had the audacity to make his own requests for things to be included in the ceasefire agreement to be negotiated in the future (complicated things like "prisoner swaps" and "security guarantees") rather than accepting the scraps that Trump was willing to toss him. Trump has therefore determined that Zelensky is "not interested in peace if America is involved" and had him booted from the White House.
 
Upvote 0

FireDragon76

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Apr 30, 2013
33,774
21,013
Orlando, Florida
✟1,553,716.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
United Ch. of Christ
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Democrat
This video has a couple extra (mostly irrelevant) seconds at the beginning:

This video is amazing. Really, every time I think Trump et al aren't that bad, they prove me wrong. Maybe Zelensky shouldn't have chosen that moment to call out Vance's nonsense, but Vance's contributions to the situation were, at first, naive, and then paternalistic.

It's disgraceful.

Europe and Canada had better be on notice, after this, and step up its game. The US is no longer a reliable partner in containing Russian aggression, obviously.
 
Upvote 0

FireDragon76

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Apr 30, 2013
33,774
21,013
Orlando, Florida
✟1,553,716.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
United Ch. of Christ
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Democrat
Imagine in 1941 if President Roosevelt had dressed down Winston Churchill in similar fashsion. "Well Winston, you don't have any cards left....."

Roosevelt despised fascists and their demonic ideology. Trump thinks they had nice suits, and some of them, I am sure, are good people.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 7thKeeper
Upvote 0

Always in His Presence

Jesus is the only Way
Site Supporter
Nov 15, 2006
50,810
18,397
Broken Arrow, OK
✟1,098,825.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Charismatic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Thank God we have a President with a backbone and a VP that will not allow a foreign leader be disrespectful to the US -

I know the left will absolutely loose their mind over it - but there it is played our on national television. Zelinsky was invited - he was rude and shown the door.

Watch him come back with hat in hand.
 
  • Wow
Reactions: rebornfree
Upvote 0

trophy33

Well-Known Member
Nov 18, 2018
13,831
5,621
European Union
✟236,339.00
Country
Czech Republic
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Zelinsky was invited - he was rude and shown the door.
Do you know why was he invited? I will give you a hint, it was not because of a charity. Trump wants him to sign something.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: rebornfree
Upvote 0

Servus

<><
Site Supporter
Oct 2, 2020
29,744
15,976
Washington
✟1,040,289.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Do you know why was he invited? I will give you a hint, it was not because of a charity. Trump wants him to sign something.
Oh dear, he's being asked to give something back instead of the notion that he's entitled to billions of dollars in aid. Aid that he actually complained about.
 
Upvote 0

eclipsenow

Scripture is God's word, Science is God's works
Dec 17, 2010
10,195
2,701
Sydney, Australia
Visit site
✟217,488.00
Country
Australia
Gender
Male
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
Thank God we have a President with a backbone and a VP that will not allow a foreign leader be disrespectful to the US
What a traitor to old international alliances that have brought stability in the unity and strength of NATO. Now Trump's here - a lose electrical wire sparking wildly and blindly all over the place with fuel everywhere just waiting to explode!

Imagine some enemy invades a weirdly weak post-climate disaster America. They take California and the whole East coast.

Now Zelenskyy has become the head of the European Federation - the only superpower in this post-climate disaster world.
Zelenskyy rocks up. "OK - I've made a deal. You sign here - and the enemy gets to keep all your land, and we're basically taking Texas and any good coal and mineral states - because we need to be compensated for all the money we've already given you under a previous administration.
Here - sign this ceasefire! You'll love it. Now - thank me for my deal. Kiss my ring!"
I hope your President would have the courage to say "Um, that is betraying my country!" and walk out!

But you see this situation and get upset that Zelenskyy wasn't grateful and ready to "kiss the ring" in gratitude? You think Trump and JD getting petty about not being thanked for betraying the entire western world is somehow admirable?
Wow. What happened to your country?
 
Upvote 0

Servus

<><
Site Supporter
Oct 2, 2020
29,744
15,976
Washington
✟1,040,289.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Having watched the exchange it seemed like Zelensky was basically dictating how the US is supposed to aid him. 'That's no good, it's not good enough, the aid given in the past was inadequate and or useless, and this is what needs to be given instead'.

And instead of kowtowing to that Trump basically told him he was in no position to make any demands. It's the one who is supplying the aid who's in the position of dictating how that aid is going to be given and under what terms it's going to be given.

If Zelensky doesn't like it he can go elsewhere like, um... Yeah the US is really all he's got in getting anything of significance.
 
Upvote 0

trophy33

Well-Known Member
Nov 18, 2018
13,831
5,621
European Union
✟236,339.00
Country
Czech Republic
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Having watched the exchange it seemed like Zelensky was basically dictating how the US is supposed to aid him. 'That's no good, it's not good enough, the aid given in the past was inadequate and or useless, and this is what needs to be given instead'.

And instead of kowtowing to that Trump basically told him he was in no position to make any demands. It's the one who is supplying the aid who's in the position of dictating how that aid is going to be given and under what terms it's going to be given.

If Zelensky doesn't like it he can go elsewhere like, um... Yeah the US is really all he's got in getting anything of significance.
Nothing of this is factual.
 
Upvote 0

eclipsenow

Scripture is God's word, Science is God's works
Dec 17, 2010
10,195
2,701
Sydney, Australia
Visit site
✟217,488.00
Country
Australia
Gender
Male
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
Oh dear, he's being asked to give something back instead of the notion that he's entitled to billions of dollars in aid. Aid that he actually complained about.
Oh dear. The world's richest economy that was actually growing faster than most other OECD economies under Biden can't give spare change to overseas aid or to support a new democracy that might ultimately become a NATO ally!

But let's betray the entire western world, destabilise what was a strong, reliable alliance that kept nuclear powers at bay for 70 years - and then even threaten a trade war with the western world. While rewarding a dictator that invaded a democracy!

WHAT IS A FAIR DEAL?
America supports Ukraine - along with the EU - with war aid until the tiny Russian economy is finally fatigued by this war and the dictator goes home with his tail between his legs. No NATO troops need to go into Ukraine for this to happen. Just a little military aid. A tiny portion of the American Federal budget - especially if they bothered to tax the rich like they did in the 1950’s and 60’s. (But we can’t have the RICH being taxed with Trump and Musk in government!)
When the Russian economy breaks, THEN we'll finally get a REAL DEAL!
Putin orders an immediate ceasefire.
Russia withdraws.
Russia pays a small but consistent percentage of GDP back to Ukraine as war reparations over time.
In return, the mighty western NATO economies lift trade bans on Russia and return to more economic and diplomatically normalised relationships. Russia’s economy would grow and prosper - and easily afford war reparations.
Now THAT’s a deal!

I can't believe I have to spell that out? How has social media made so many into myopic, navel gazing betrayers of old alliances? Do Americans even know what the letters in NATO stand for now - let alone what the organisation is actually for? (Or is that "Was" for - in the past tense?)

America has just betrayed the west.
It's over to Europe to take the lead from here.
 
Upvote 0

Servus

<><
Site Supporter
Oct 2, 2020
29,744
15,976
Washington
✟1,040,289.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Thank God we have a President with a backbone and a VP that will not allow a foreign leader be disrespectful to the US -

I know the left will absolutely loose their mind over it - but there it is played our on national television. Zelinsky was invited - he was rude and shown the door.

Watch him come back with hat in hand.
Hear hear. But some don't want a President with a backbone. They want a President who's a social worker. They want a housecat instead if a lion.
 
Upvote 0

Gene2memE

Newbie
Oct 22, 2013
4,721
7,314
✟353,619.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Oh dear, he's being asked to give something back instead of the notion that he's entitled to billions of dollars in aid. Aid that he actually complained about.

Ukraine has sacrificed its blood, its treasure, its land and its people to defend themselves and their right to exist and live inside a free country.

The US, on the other hand, has being asked to give up its Cold War cast offs and about a third of what the country spends annually on pet food. Of the military aid, 80% of the cost is spent within the US. Of the civil aid, about 45% is direct aid. The rest is repayable loans.

Zelensky is fighting for the survival of Ukraine as a nation, against a dictator who's stated objective is to destroy Ukraine as an independent state.


Shameful is too light a word for what has been done here. There are times when the pillory or the ducking chair seems like an appropriate remedy.
 
Upvote 0