Can Humans Equal G'd?

[Eldeah]

Hi,

So in Genesis 11 the author is giving us an explanation on how different languages exists in our world of the living.
It is explained that G'd came down to see this magnificant structure that mankind was building and then the author
writes something very intersting that G'd would have said

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"Genesis 11:6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them."​

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The word impossible is translated from the word batsar.
My point is, humans should be able to mimic G'd in every way except in obtaining eternal life(because that pad was cut off) if we are to be one of mind and speech.

what do you think?

 

[Jo555]

Hi,

So in Genesis 11 the author is giving us an explanation on how different languages exists in our world of the living.
It is explained that G'd came down to see this magnificant structure that mankind was building and then the author
writes something very intersting that G'd would have said

​

"Genesis 11:6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them."​

​

The word impossible is translated from the word batsar.
My point is, humans should be able to mimic G'd in every way except in obtaining eternal life(because that pad was cut off) if we are to be one of mind and speech.

what do you think?

We have to see that in context and what we know of scripture overall. Obviously there are things God can do that we can't, so in this instance it would probably be something like giving someone tools by which they can build, then saying, "Look at that, nothing is impossible for you "

We would mean it in a smaller context.

Sort of like after the fall that God said man had become like us, knowing good from evil. He had the knowledge, but He was far from God.

I'd have to visit that story again, but we need to see scripture in the context of the larger message.

 

[Jo555]

We have to see that in context and what we know of scripture overall. Obviously there are things God can do that we can't, so in this instance it would probably be something like giving someone tools by which they can build, then saying, "Look at that, nothing is impossible for you "

Sort of like after the fall that God said man had become like us, knowing good from evil. He had the knowledge, but He was far from God.

We would mean it in a smaller context.

I'd have to visit that story again, but we need to see scripture in the context of the larger message.

Basically, if you take a branch and break it off from a tree, that branch will take on another deadly form that is missing the life of the tree.

 

[Eldeah]

Basically, if you take a branch and break it off from a tree, that branch will take on another deadly form that is missing the life of the tree.

We have to see that in context and what we know of scripture overall. Obviously there are things God can do that we can't, so in this instance it would probably be something like giving someone tools by which they can build, then saying, "Look at that, nothing is impossible for you "

We would mean it in a smaller context.

Sort of like after the fall that God said man had become like us, knowing good from evil. He had the knowledge, but He was far from God.

I'd have to visit that story again, but we need to see scripture in the context of the larger message.

I see what you are saying. But in this story the people where basically creating a tower to heaven(Which in my opinion is the sky, but certain people see it on a spiritual level as well).

Also in Genesis the part where Adam and Eve obtained the knowledge of good and evil was the last event in becoming "In the Image of G'd"... I am currently having a thread on that one

 

[Jo555]

Basically, if you take a branch and break it off from a tree, that branch will take on another deadly form that is missing the life of the tree.

I see what you are saying. But in this story the people where basically creating a tower to heaven(Which in my opinion is the sky, but certain people see it on a spiritual level as well).

Also in Genesis the part where Adam and Eve obtained the knowledge of good and evil was the last event in becoming "In the Image of G'd"... I am currently having a thread on that one

In image and like God not the same.

I don't see why, if humanity all got together in one mind that they could not defy gravity and elevate, or whatever, but we will be shot down by God because becoming like Him is a work He does, not us. Our role is to cooperate with the process.

I may be missing your point too as unsure if I get it now.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Hi,

So in Genesis 11 the author is giving us an explanation on how different languages exists in our world of the living.
It is explained that G'd came down to see this magnificant structure that mankind was building and then the author
writes something very intersting that G'd would have said

​

"Genesis 11:6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them."​

​

The word impossible is translated from the word batsar.
My point is, humans should be able to mimic G'd in every way except in obtaining eternal life(because that pad was cut off) if we are to be one of mind and speech.

what do you think?

Humanity was in direct defiance to God’s will. Instead of dispersing and populating the earth, they sought to remain unified in one location and build a structure into the heavens. Confusing their language put a stop to the building of the structure which resulted in the tribalism and eventual migration to other lands. Thus God’s was done.
As far as eternal life, we Christians have that through Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Blessings

 

[com7fy8]

Hi,

So in Genesis 11 the author is giving us an explanation on how different languages exists in our world of the living.

Yes.

the author
writes something very intersting that G'd would have said

​

"Genesis 11:6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them."​

​

The word impossible is translated from the word batsar.
My point is, humans should be able to mimic G'd

Well, if you have a young child, how much can your child mimic you? The child does not have your personality with your developed character.

in every way except in obtaining eternal life(because that pad was cut off) if we are to be one of mind and speech.

God did not want them to be one only in the human way that was possible.

But you can consider the Lord's prayer in John 17, which includes how we can be one, in God's way.

 

[Eldeah]

Well, if you have a young child, how much can your child mimic you? The child does not have your personality with your developed character.

Yeah and that will never be so, because it is a different person with different experiences. I don't think that G'd created humanity for the soul purpose of whorship to G'd. If that was the case we need to become Muslim.
But here is the matter, G'd itself said that nothing would be impossible. Those are some big words.

 

[Eldeah]

But you can consider the Lord's prayer in John 17, which includes how we can be one, in God's way.

I see where you are coming from Being one in the way how G'd is one.

 

[Eldeah]

"Humanity was in direct defiance to God’s will. Instead of dispersing and populating the earth, they sought to remain unified in one location and build a structure into the heavens."

I'll concede that. But the implication of those words said by G'd "Impossible", "Beyond Boundaries" is huge. We are able to equal G'd in possibilities.

For example, today we have some scientific knowledge that can be connected to time travel

 

[Fervent]

Old Nick never changes what he promises. Did he not tempt the first couple with the promise of being like God? It's the same old song and dance...but being a slave of Christ is far better than the false promise of godhood offered by Satan.

 

[Jo555]

I'll concede that. But the implication of those words said by G'd "Impossible", "Beyond Boundaries" is huge. We are able to equal G'd in possibilities.

For example, today we have some scientific knowledge that can be connected to time travel

Well, i have to agree with this comment in a sense. We all can be our own gods and a united humanity can do anything within their power, if left to their own power, but if they really could be like God, He would not have been able to take down their tower, change their language, and scatter them abroad.

We are not God, but it is in his plans to make us like Him through Christ, as children embodied by his Spirit. Jesus was our forerunner, God among us embodied by His Spirit. He opened the door for us to be like Him. You can't be like Him without Him. He is the Source.

Regarding the worship. Worship is basically like when you see something so beautiful and you can't help but express your adoration of it. You can't hold it in. You have to express it.

That's basically what it is like to worship God.

 

[Eldeah]

Old Nick never changes what he promises. Did he not tempt the first couple with the promise of being like God? It's the same old song and dance...but being a slave of Christ is far better than the false promise of godhood offered by Satan.

Genesis 3:5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

Genesis 3:22 "Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—”"

Euhm, yeah this is what was written. And yeah, Revelation 12 is a Vision. Its not something being said, or spoken by G'd itself. So lets tackle this first.

 

[Jo555]

You also really can't take a portion of scripture and make a whole doctrine out of it. Even in its own context we can see humanity is not equal to God.

And you see this especially in context of the rest of scripture.

 

[Fervent]

Genesis 3:5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

Genesis 3:22 "Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—”"

Euhm, yeah this is what was written. And yeah, Revelation 12 is a Vision. Its not something being said, or spoken by G'd itself. So lets tackle this first.

Yeah, it's the same old temptation. Worked out so well eating the fruit, didn't it? What a world we created.

 

[Jo555]

Yeah, it's the same old temptation. Worked out so well eating the fruit, didn't it? What a world we created.

Same. Still working today too.

 

[Jo555]

Genesis 3:5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

Genesis 3:22 "Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—”"

Euhm, yeah this is what was written. And yeah, Revelation 12 is a Vision. Its not something being said, or spoken by G'd itself. So lets tackle this first.

Like is not the same as equal.

So easy to test. Create a Heaven and Earth.

 

[Eldeah]

Like is not the same as equal.

So easy to test. Create a Heaven and Earth.

If we are going that route... Humanity will eventualy create worlds and heavens... My G'd is creating all the time... I don't see your G'd creating anything coporeal, he stays right inside of your minds... I think tha the undestanding of wat G'd really is has become blurred by traditions of leading members of religion

 

[Jo555]

Like is not the same as equal.

So easy to test. Create a Heaven and Earth.

That was my bad. I think I said "like" before, but it is so apparent we are not equal to God.

 

[Eldeah]

Is it not written that ye are G'ds??