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[soldier of light]

Never mind

 

[chevyontheriver]

One of the main problems with catholicism is that they claim to be the one true church or the head church. This causes divisions and makes unity impossible

I take it you have read John Paul II's 'Ut Unum Sint'?

 

[soldier of light]

I take it you have read John Paul II's 'Ut Unum Sint'?

No, what's tha that?

 

[jas3]

One of the main problems with catholicism is that they claim to be the one true church

That claim goes back to Paul (really back to our Lord's establishment of the Church and prayer for Christians to be one) and isn't unique to Catholicism.

This causes divisions and makes unity impossible

On the contrary, it urges us to join the true Church. What causes divisions and makes unity impossible is the modern liberal ecumenism that became popular in the 20th century where you have your truth, I have my truth, and we all sit in a circle and sing kumbaya and never actually resolve the problem of disunity.

 

[soldier of light]

That claim goes back to Paul (really back to our Lord's establishment of the Church and prayer for Christians to be one) and isn't unique to Catholicism.

On the contrary, it urges us to join the true Church. What causes divisions and makes unity impossible is the modern liberal ecumenism that became popular in the 20th century where you have your truth, I have my truth, and we all sit in a circle and sing kumbaya and never actually resolve the problem of disunity.

The true church? There is no true church only true believers. They all have erred.

 

[jas3]

The true church? There is no true church only true believers. They all have erred.

What did Jesus say about the future of the Church in Matthew 16:18?

 

[soldier of light]

What did Jesus say about the future of the Church in Matthew 16:18?

The church is the believers and my church is built on the words of Christ and the letters of Paul, James, John and Peter. But Paul, John, James and Jesus had the greatest impact. My church is built on the rock of Matthew chapter 5-7

 

[jas3]

The church is the believers and my church is built on the words of Christ

What are the words of Christ about the future of the Church in Matthew 16:18?

 

[soldier of light]

What are the words of Christ about the future of the Church in Matthew 16:18?

The gates of hell didn't prevail against me

 

[soldier of light]

Church is like a cage for the mind. I follow scripture and the Holy Spirit. I walk in liberty

 

[chevyontheriver]

No, what's tha that?

Um, if you are writing about ecumenism and 'the problem' with the Catholic Church in that regard you really really do need to be familiar with 'Ut Unum Sint'. Otherwise it appears to me that the problem with Catholicism is that people like you don't have a clue. I don't want to sound hostile but you need to be a little bit more informed before launching a 'problem with catholicism' thread. I'm betting that if you give 'Ut Unum Sint' a fair read you will learn much more about the issue you think you are raising.

The phrase 'ut unum sint' is Latin for 'that they may be one', a phrase from John 17 quoting Jesus. Pope John Paul II wrote this as an encyclical in 1995. You can find the text of the encyclical here: Ut Unum Sint (25 May 1995) | John Paul II

After you read it then please get back to me about the 'problem with catholicism'. I think it may be a much more interesting problem, with a big part of it being people who think they know a lot about the Catholic Church but really don't.

 

[soldier of light]

Um, if you are writing about ecumenism and 'the problem' with the Catholic Church in that regard you really really do need to be familiar with 'Ut Unum Sint'. Otherwise it appears to me that the problem with Catholicism is that people like you don't have a clue. I don't want to sound hostile but you need to be a little bit more informed before launching a 'problem with catholicism' thread. I'm betting that if you give 'Ut Unum Sint' a fair read you will learn much more about the issue you think you are raising.

The phrase 'ut unum sint' is Latin for 'that they may be one', a phrase from John 17 quoting Jesus. Pope John Paul II wrote this as an encyclical in 1995. You can find the text of the encyclical here: Ut Unum Sint (25 May 1995) | John Paul II

After you read it then please get back to me about the 'problem with catholicism'. I think it may be a much more interesting problem, with a big part of it being people who think they know a lot about the Catholic Church but really don't.

You are correct. Forgive my ignorance. However I'm basing my opinion on catholic themselves who seem to believe that their church is the true church and the Pope its leader. As a polite gesture you might familiarize me with a brief summery.

 

[chevyontheriver]

You are correct. Forgive my ignorance. However I'm basing my opinion on catholic themselves who seem to believe that their church is the true church and the Pope its leader. As a polite gesture you might familiarize me with a brief summery.

I gave you a link that is easy to follow. It's about how Catholics are supposed to commit to seek unity. Why it's vitally important. I don't want to reduce it too much because it is a pretty fundamental text on Christian unity. It's something to be read and prayed over rather than passed over. It might show you stuff you have previously missed.

 

[soldier of light]

I gave you a link that is easy to follow. It's about how Catholics are supposed to commit to seek unity. Why it's vitally important. I don't want to reduce it too much because it is a pretty fundamental text on Christian unity. It's something to be read and prayed over rather than passed over. It might show you stuff you have previously missed.

I'm not reading a book. If you don't want to give a brief summery then why bring it up? Just to make me look foolish? I would be wiser afterwards so what do I care?

 

[soldier of light]

If you guys agreed with me then we would have unity. But you love all that unnecessary extra tradition that divides you all. I keep it simple and it's been great. The Lord delivered me from sin. I pray and worship all the time because its my food and armor. I'm not lost and I have none of your traditions. Have an open mind.

 

[chevyontheriver]

I'm not reading a book. If you don't want to give a brief summery then why bring it up? Just to make me look foolish? I would be wiser afterwards so what do I care?

It's not a 'book'. It has a whopping 103 paragraphs, so it can be read in one sitting. Wikipedia has a summary of it, if you need that, but the actual text is very accessible. Here: Ut unum sint - Wikipedia

Here is a short summary from the Vatican website: The Pope calls for Christian unity based on the Cross and the Gospel, and invites all believers to re-examine their past and overcome their divisions. He acknowledges the weaknesses and sins of the Catholic Church, and expresses his commitment to the ecumenical venture.

As to looking foolish, that's up to you. But at this point if you can't be bothered to read it then your whole thread looks uninformed. That's the vibe I'm feeling from you. Maybe you have an aversion to reading Catholic things. I donno. Do you want Christian unity? Some people really do not. They want their status quo. What does Jesus want? He tells us it is high on his mind, in John 17 with the very next thing in his life being His passion and death and resurrection.

 

[soldier of light]

It's not a 'book'. It has a whopping 103 paragraphs, so it can be read in one sitting. Wikipedia has a summary of it, if you need that, but the actual text is very accessible. Here: Ut unum sint - Wikipedia

Here is a short summary from the Vatican website: The Pope calls for Christian unity based on the Cross and the Gospel, and invites all believers to re-examine their past and overcome their divisions. He acknowledges the weaknesses and sins of the Catholic Church, and expresses his commitment to the ecumenical venture.

As to looking foolish, that's up to you. But at this point if you can't be bothered to read it then your whole thread looks uninformed. That's the vibe I'm feeling from you. Maybe you have an aversion to reading Catholic things. I donno. Do you want Christian unity? Some people really do not. They want their status quo. What does Jesus want? He tells us it is high on his mind, in John 17 with the very next thing in his life being His passion and death and resurrection.

What sins did he admit to?

 

[Aaron112]

If you guys agreed with me then we would have unity.

Some cannot ever agree with you/your posts/ unless they leave their family-church.
Never compromise yourself to agree with anything contrary to Jesus.
Your/our/believers unity is only possible in Jesus with nothing contrary.

 

[Aaron112]

The gates of hell didn't prevail against me

And if you endure to the end, you will remain saved.

 

[soldier of light]

It's not a 'book'. It has a whopping 103 paragraphs, so it can be read in one sitting. Wikipedia has a summary of it, if you need that, but the actual text is very accessible. Here: Ut unum sint - Wikipedia

Here is a short summary from the Vatican website: The Pope calls for Christian unity based on the Cross and the Gospel, and invites all believers to re-examine their past and overcome their divisions. He acknowledges the weaknesses and sins of the Catholic Church, and expresses his commitment to the ecumenical venture.

As to looking foolish, that's up to you. But at this point if you can't be bothered to read it then your whole thread looks uninformed. That's the vibe I'm feeling from you. Maybe you have an aversion to reading Catholic things. I donno. Do you want Christian unity? Some people really do not. They want their status quo. What does Jesus want? He tells us it is high on his mind, in John 17 with the very next thing in his life being His passion and death and resurrection.

As for being foolish, questions make one wise and a wise man is patient to teach others. I'm not going to read all that. Just explain it to me. Maybe you will change my mind