For all eternity - "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before God to Worship"

[Aaron112]

Be set apart from society, fleshly, carnality
BECAUSE The Creator, your heavenly Father

In fact it does that very thing and the Isaiah's readers would be well aware of the holiness of the weekly Sabbath.

Indeed there is no way to bend the text so that Isaiah's readers would be thinking "Sabbath won't be holy, wont be a day of worship in the New Earth". It just is not in the text - no matter how much a given POV might "need" that to be in the text.

 

[DamianWarS]

The future is unknown until revealed - so then when prophecy reveals the future - it is to that degree - known.


The text actually say this --

Is 66:23 "From new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"

Ignoring details in it - ... not helpful.

There was a way to say "from new moon to new moon people will worship at times" --

If that was the intent.



if you delete enough details in the text -- I suppose you can get there

Isaiah 66:23

Jamieson, Fausset, Brown
23. Literally, "As often as the new moon (shall be) in its own new moon," that is, every month (Zec 14:16).
Sabbath--which is therefore perpetually obligatory on earth.

The goal of the account is not about sabbath worship, but you seem to be forcing it on the text. Can you show me why you think this is the goal of the account over quoting a single verse.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So the goal is not what the Lord says verbatim??

 

[DamianWarS]

IT is two cycles not just one. As the text points out.

Just as "year to year" is not "daily"

1. Exodus 13:10
   Therefore, you shall keep this ordinance at its appointed time from year to year.
2. Judges 21:19
   So they said, “Behold, there is a feast of the LORD from year to year in Shiloh, which is on the north side of Bethel, on the east side of the highway that goes up from Bethel to Shechem, and on the south side of Lebonah.”
3. 1 Samuel 2:19
   And his mother would make him a little robe and bring it to him from year to year when she would come up with her husband to offer the yearly sacrifice.

In fact it does that very thing and the Isaiah's readers would be well aware of the holiness of the weekly Sabbath.


Indeed there is no way to bend the text so that Isaiah's readers would be thinking "Sabbath won't be holy, wont be a day of worship in the New Earth". It just is not in the text - no matter how much a given POV might "need" that to be in the text.

Can you show me biblically how the term "weekly" or from "week to week" is used? It's not a set up... I really don't know, but I'm interested in finding out.

 

[DamianWarS]

So the goal is not what the Lord says verbatim??

What do you think the goal of the account is? The verse in question can only support the goal, it does not have an independent goal separate from the account. Ch 66 is the immediate context. So what is the purpose of Ch 66?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

What do you think the goal of the account is? The verse in question can only support the goal, it does not have an independent goal separate from the account. Ch 66 is the immediate context. So what is the purpose of Ch 66?

Well the goal should not be rebelling against God and His Word. I do not believe there will be a section in heaven for those who want to skip out on the weekly worship before the Lord on the Sabbath. I think you are so focused on your goal it is prohibiting you to "see" what the Word of the Lord is actually saying because it's not our goal that matters, it is what God says. No need to change anything its best just to believe.

The goal God has had from the beginning, He changes not. Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:8-11 Isa 58:13 Isa 56:1-6 Mar 2:27-28 Lev 23:3 Eze 20:20 Eze 20:12 Isa 66:23 but removing a word or trying to define what God defined written out by God personally Exo 20:10 I don't believe is a good idea.

 

[DamianWarS]

Well the goal should not be rebelling against God and His Word. I do not believe there will be a section in heaven for those who want to skip out on the weekly worship before the Lord on the Sabbath. I think you are so focused on your goal it is prohibiting you to "see" what the Word of the Lord is actually saying because it's not our goal that matters, it is what God says. No need to change anything its best just to believe.

The goal God has had from the beginning, He changes not. Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:8-11 Isa 58:13 Isa 56:1-6 Mar 2:27-28 Lev 23:3 Eze 20:20 Eze 20:12 Isa 66:23 but removing a word or trying to define what God defined written out by God personally Exo 20:10 I don't believe is a good idea.

I'm trying to sincerely approach the text and study it's meaning. It's seems you are more interested in shaming me then studying the text.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I'm trying to sincerely approach the text and study it's meaning. It's seems you are more interested in shaming me then studying the text.

I think you are reading that wrong, but can see how you would take it that way, which was not my intent and could have worded it better, so my apologies. That said, in my humble opinion, when we are approaching the Text especially when it has a thus saith the Lord, it’s best to allow the scriptures to interpret itself, most reads very plainly such as Isa 66:23. I think when we start to get creative with it, things can go terribly wrong.

 

[BobRyan]

What do you think the goal of the account is? The verse in question can only support the goal, it does not have an independent goal separate from the account. Ch 66 is the immediate context. So what is the purpose of Ch 66?

It tells the future to a nation that is in serious trouble - they are about to be taken captive by Babylon.

 

[BobRyan]

Can you show me biblically how the term "weekly" or from "week to week" is used? It's not a set up... I really don't know, but I'm interested in finding out.

1. IT is never used to mean "daily".
2. "from Sabbath to Sabbath" is a specific cycle just as "from year to year" as we see in the 3 examples I just gave for "year to year"
3. Is 66:23 very specific cycle and day within that cycle for "from New Moon to New Moon" and is consistent with the other cycle "From Sabbath to Sabbath"

this is the easy part for many readers. You have free will of course and can choose to differ as you wish.

 

[BobRyan]

The goal of the account is not about sabbath worship, but you seem to be forcing it on the text.

I am not inserting "from Sabbath to Sabbath" into the text -- as it turns out.
Nor does my view dictate that I must delete / ignore that detail in the text - to be satisfied with it.
I simply accept the text as it reads.

 

[Leaf473]

1. IT is never used to mean "daily".
2. "from Sabbath to Sabbath" is a specific cycle just as "from year to year" as we see in the 3 examples I just gave for "year to year"

3. Is 66:23 very specific cycle and day within that cycle for "from New Moon to New Moon" and is consistent with the other cycle "From Sabbath to Sabbath"

Are you using a 28 day lunar cycle there, such that every fourth Sabbath day will line up with a new moon?

this is the easy part for many readers. You have free will of course and can choose to differ as you wish.

 

[DamianWarS]

I am not inserting "from Sabbath to Sabbath" into the text -- as it turns out.
Nor does my view dictate that I must delete / ignore that detail in the text - to be satisfied with it.
I simply accept the text as it reads.

In a vacuum of course, but the partial quote of a verse doesn't exist in a vacuum. So what is the purpose of the account... as it reads?

 

[Bob S]

I am not inserting "from Sabbath to Sabbath" into the text -- as it turns out.
Nor does my view dictate that I must delete / ignore that detail in the text - to be satisfied with it.
I simply accept the text as it reads.

And do you accept Is 65 "as it reads"?

New Heavens and a New Earth​

17 “See, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind.
18 But be glad and rejoice forever
in what I will create,
for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight
and its people a joy.
19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem
and take delight in my people;
the sound of weeping and of crying
will be heard in it no more.
20 “Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach a hundred
will be considered accursed.

 

[BobRyan]

The goal of the account is not about sabbath worship, but you seem to be forcing it on the text

Well then - let's read the actual text.

Isaiah 66: 23 And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from Sabbath to Sabbath,
All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.

. Can you show me why you think this is the goal of the account

I am saying the issue of worship "from Sabbath to Sabbath" in the New Earth - is not something I am "inserting into the text".

Rather it is a detail already in the text

A detail in that I do not find to be even a tiny bit "inconvenient".

I just accept it as it reads.

I am not inserting "from Sabbath to Sabbath" into the text -- as it turns out.
Nor does my view dictate that I must delete / ignore that detail in the text - to be satisfied with it.
I simply accept the text as it reads.

 

[BobRyan]

And do you accept Is 65 "as it reads"?

New Heavens and a New Earth​

17 “See, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,

I accept many texts as they read - as it turns out.

I also accept Moses' prediction in the book of Deuteronomy about the glorious future that would belong to Israel if they did not choose to turn back from following God.

 

[BobRyan]

In a vacuum of course, but the partial quote of a verse doesn't exist in a vacuum. So what is the purpose of the account... as it reads?

Quoting the parts of a chapter that you or someone else finds inconvenient does not make that part of the chapter disappear.

I am guessing you would agree with me on this point.

Isaiah 66 points to the final judgment to come and the eternal nature of God's Law specifically focusing on a section of Law where God said "He spoke the ten words and added no more" (in Deut 5 for example) by selecting one of the Ten in Is 66 as the focus

 

[BobRyan]

Are you using a 28 day lunar cycle

I just go from month to month on the calendar.

Turns out that has nothing at all to do with the 7 day week.

Were you hoping to post in a "what is a month" thread?

Or are you suggesting that you have a "the first day of every month is also the first day of the week" text for us??

 

[Leaf473]

I just go from month to month on the calendar.

Cool

Turns out that has nothing at all to do with the 7 day week.

I agree. But I was surprised how many seventh day observers believed that the new moon would occur every fourth Sabbath in the new heavens and new earth

Were you hoping to post in a "what is a month" thread?

No

Or are you suggesting that you have a "the first day of every month is also the first day of the week" text for us??

No

 

[DamianWarS]

Well then - let's read the actual text.

Isaiah 66: 23 And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from Sabbath to Sabbath,
All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.

That's not the goal of the account, that's a single verse of the account

I am saying the issue of worship "from Sabbath to Sabbath" in the New Earth - is not something I am "inserting into the text".

Rather it is a detail already in the text

A detail in that I do not find to be even a tiny bit "inconvenient".

I just accept it as it reads.

It is a detail that supports the goal... But what is the goal? You seem to be avoiding it.

Quoting the parts of a chapter that you or someone else finds inconvenient does not make that part of the chapter disappear.

This is why I'm encouraging you to look at the account in its context to determine the goal. Each detail in the account is there to support the goal, but each verse is not there as a competive goal.

Isaiah 66 points to the final judgment to come and the eternal nature of God's Law specifically focusing on a section of Law where God said "He spoke the ten words and added no more" (in Deut 5 for example) by selecting one of the Ten in Is 66 as the focus

The account is regarding the judgment of God, his answer of salvation and concludes with a promise of the new. It uses lots of metaphors in the text including those involving sacrafices. The text also challenges correct worship as going beyond just doing x commandment which pairs well with NT teaching of worship from the heart.

There are no conclusive statements regarding sabbath worship and it would be irresponsible to turn the text into this, especially with the wide use of metaphor in the account. The reference of sabbath is a time reference boundary with no specific manor/encouragement/admonishment of sabbath worship described with the exception of all nations will engage in worship or "bow down" but this is about a perpetual state of worship over a specific day observance and certainly not of ceremonial rest. From month to month, from week to week and we can take this further and say day to day, hour to hour, minute to minute, etc... but the point is clear enough.

If it evokes sabbath worship, as per the letter of the law, merely by its mention then it also evokes the sacrafice, as per the letter of the law, merely by its mention. I learnt early on in fractions that whatever you do to the denominator, you must also do to the numerator.