Have Senate Confirmation hearings become a clown show?

[Say it aint so]

What's the meme about clowns and expecting a circus.

 

[Yarddog]

I've been watching a few of them over the past few days, and apart from a select few Senators, it would seem as if most of the Senators are merely using these as a political opportunity to go into business for themselves and protect their personal brand or get "likes".


People have questioned the "seriousness" of the some of the nominees leading up to these hearings, but from what I observed, it would seem as if the people doing the questioning are the ones that a little more unhinged and unserious.

It would seem as if the bulk of the exchanges are simply either personal attacks or loaded questions.

And by loaded questions, I'm referring to the onslaught of questions framed in such a way whether neither a simple yes or no is a flattering answer, and then making screaming demands that the person has to answer "Yes or No"

I think I've heard the words "This is a yes or no question" (following a loaded question) no less than 50 times during these hearings.


Questions like "Being that you claim you want to make America healthy again, and the best way to do that is by implementing universal healthcare, are you willing to commit to pushing for universal healthcare if you get the job? This is a yes or no question"

And: "You claim to be an advocate for law enforcement, yet you associate with people who glorified people who stormed the capitol on J6, are you proud of the fact that you're aligned with people who assaulted police?, this is a simple yes or no question"


They'd might as well rename these hearings the "When did you stop beating your wife?" panel.

I'm not sure which side of the table the clowns are on.

 

[A2SG]

Choice WH prosecutors and money hungry "victims" slandering a defendant in front of hand picked activist judges in the most left leaning city in this nation don't count as "proof" of anything but prosecutorial corruption and government malfeasance.

First, the case in question was a NY state case, not federal. The White House had nothing to do with it.

Second, the proof was in the evidence that convinced the jury, selected by both the prosecution and Trump's own legal team, that Trump was guilty of the crimes he was charged with, beyond a reasonable doubt.

And finally, I've noticed that, for all the accusations of "prosecutorial corruption" or "government malfeasance," I've yet to see any evidence that actually occurred. Not even once.

But this isn't the place to argue the case again. I've proven this all over this forum yet still the silly accusations keep coming because it's a point to slander someone's name.

There is no slander here. First, it's written, so it would be libel, not slander. But, more importantly, Trump was convicted of 34 felonies, this is a verifiable fact.

Further, you've proven nothing. You've made claims of corruption and malfeasance, but you haven't demonstrated any of it.

This thread is about the Senate Confirmation hearings. Let's stick to that.

Fair enough.

-- A2SG, just wanted to make the point, since you brought up ethical standards......

 

[Pommer]

Further, you've proven nothing. You've made claims of corruption and malfeasance, but you haven't demonstrated any of it.

The mere fact that the defendant was Donald J Trump is all the proof some need for these accusations.

 

[A2SG]

The case heard by Judge Juan Merchan was biased political lawfare, the complete case is a mistrial and will be thrown in the trash dumpster on appeal, the very reason it was dropped by Merchan with no jail time.

First, it wasn't dropped...Trump was convicted of 34 felonies, and sentenced. That his sentence was as lenient as it was says more about the circumstances of his election to the presidency than the merits of the case itself. The real world intrudes on justice sometimes.

Second, there will be no mistrial. The case is decided, a verdict has been reached. How the appeals court rules on Trump's appeal remains to be seen, of course, but I've yet to see anyone providing any cause to reverse the case. Sure, theories abound, but ultimately, it will be the appeals process that decides, not the internet or any random legal theories.

President Trump is still on appeal to remove his name from the biased political lawfare, the tainted Jury was not of his peers, they were hand selected by the prosecution and approved by the biased Judge who donated to the Biden/Harris campaign, and who had a daughter working for the same, complete judicial political lawfare that will soon be tossed in the trash on appeal "Mistrial"!

You clearly have no idea how voie dire works, or what a mistrial is, or much else about the legal process. This calls into question any further legal analysis you might have.

-- A2SG, you may want to consider educating yourself on such things.....

 

[Truth7t7]

First, it wasn't dropped...Trump was convicted of 34 felonies, and sentenced. That his sentence was as lenient as it was says more about the circumstances of his election to the presidency than the merits of the case itself. The real world intrudes on justice sometimes.

Second, there will be no mistrial. The case is decided, a verdict has been reached. How the appeals court rules on Trump's appeal remains to be seen, of course, but I've yet to see anyone providing any cause to reverse the case. Sure, theories abound, but ultimately, it will be the appeals process that decides, not the internet or any random legal theories.


You clearly have no idea how voie dire works, or what a mistrial is, or much else about the legal process. This calls into question any further legal analysis you might have.

-- A2SG, you may want to consider educating yourself on such things.....

The Political Lawfare of Judge Juan Merchan And His Sham Court Is Under Appeal, And Will Soon Be Tossed In The Dumpster Bin In The Higher Courts​

Reuters​

Trump files formal notice of plan to appeal hush money conviction​

January 29, 2025

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump's lawyers on Wednesday formally notified a New York state court of Trump's intent to appeal his criminal conviction on charges stemming from hush money paid to a porn star.

In the notice, Trump's lawyers said they would appeal both the jury's May 30, 2024, guilty verdict and Justice Juan Merchan's Jan. 10, 2025, sentence of unconditional discharge to a mid-level state appeals court.

 

[A2SG]

The Political Lawfare of Judge Juan Merchan And His Sham Court Is Under Appeal, And Will Soon Be Tossed In The Dumpster Bin In The Higher Courts​

We'll see. I'd be curious, though, to know what you base that conclusion on. What grounds do you think are sufficient for a reversal in this case?

And please, be specific.

And, no, that the judge once gave $15 to a democrat isn't sufficient to reverse a guilty verdict.

Reuters​

Trump files formal notice of plan to appeal hush money conviction​

January 29, 2025

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump's lawyers on Wednesday formally notified a New York state court of Trump's intent to appeal his criminal conviction on charges stemming from hush money paid to a porn star.

In the notice, Trump's lawyers said they would appeal both the jury's May 30, 2024, guilty verdict and Justice Juan Merchan's Jan. 10, 2025, sentence of unconditional discharge to a mid-level state appeals court.

Yeah, Trump has the right to appeal. But that doesn't mean he'll be successful. There has to be a valid, legal basis to alter or reverse the guilty verdict, and I'm not as sure as certain Trump supporters are that there is one.

-- A2SG, but I guess we'll see.....

 

[Truth7t7]

We'll see. I'd be curious, though, to know what you base that conclusion on. What grounds do you think are sufficient for a reversal in this case?

And please, be specific.

And, no, that the judge once gave $15 to a democrat isn't sufficient to reverse a guilty verdict.


Yeah, Trump has the right to appeal. But that doesn't mean he'll be successful. There has to be a valid, legal basis to alter or reverse the guilty verdict, and I'm not as sure as certain Trump supporters are that there is one.

-- A2SG, but I guess we'll see.....

The Jury was tainted and provided information the entire time of the case that's protected under "Presedential Immunity" just to mention one word to the Jury in the case while Trump was president is a "Mistrial" and their was tons of words and testimony used in the trial protected while Trump was in the presidency "Tons"!

The Supreme Court ruling came after the trial closed, SCOTUS knew exactly what they were doing in granting "Presedential Immunity"

Judge Merchans case was "Destroyed" because the jury had already been tainted with inadmissible evidence that was protected to reach their verdict "Mistrial" and it was Judge Merchan "Alone" that ruled there was no Mistrial in the article below, do you think it's a mystery President Trump didn't receive any fines of prison term, Merchan knows well its a "Mistrial" and it will soon be ruled as such

There are many other factors in Merchans Jury instructions, the Juror that had a cousin that spilled the beans on his statement about Trump, on and on "Mistrial"!

"MISTRIAL"!

ABC​

Trump not eligible for immunity in New York hush money case, judge rules​

Dec 16, 2024

Judge Juan Merchan said the evidence "poses no danger" to the executive branch.

The New York judge in President-elect Donald Trump's criminal hush money case ruled Monday that the Supreme Court's presidential immunity decision does not apply to that case.

Trump had sought to dismiss his criminal indictment and vacate the jury verdict on the grounds that prosecutors, during the trial last May, introduced evidence relating to Trump's official acts as president, after the Supreme Court later ruled in July that Trump is entitled to presumptive immunity from criminal prosecution for official acts undertaken while in office.

However, Judge Juan Merchan said on Monday that the evidence in Trump's hush money case related "entirely to unofficial conduct" and "poses no danger of intrusion on the authority and function of the Executive Branch."

ABC​

Trump asks judge to toss hush money conviction and dismiss case following Supreme Court immunity ruling​

July 11 2024

Former President Donald Trump has asked a New York judge to dismiss his criminal hush money case and vacate his conviction on 34 felony counts by arguing the trial was "tainted" by evidence and testimony that the Supreme Court's landmark ruling on presidential immunity now makes off-limits.

In a 52-page filing made public on the same day the former president was originally scheduled to be sentenced, Trump's lawyers argued that prosecutors violated the Supreme Court's immunity doctrine by using evidence related to official acts -- including testimony from former White House aides-- to fill "glaring holes in their case."

 

[A2SG]

The Jury was tainted

How? And why didn't Trump's legal team pick up on that when they selected the jury?

and provided information the entire time of the case that's protected under "Presedential Immunity"

Nope. Filling out business records for one's private business during the campaign to become president in no way is an "official act" of the office.

just to mention one word to the Jury in the case while Trump was president is a "Mistrial"

Again, Nope. And a mistrial cannot be declared after a verdict has been reached.

and their was tons of words and testimony used in the trial protected while Trump was in the presidency "Tons"! The Supreme Court ruling came after the trial closed, SCOTUS knew exactly what they were doing in granting "Presedential Immunity"

Judge Merchans case was "Destroyed" because the jury had already been tainted with inadmissible evidence that was protected to reach their verdict "Mistrial" and it was Judge Merchan "Alone" that ruled there was no Mistrial in the article below, do you think it's a mystery President Trump didn't receive any fines of prison term, Merchan knows well its a "Mistrial" and it will soon be ruled as such

There are many other factors in Merchans Jury instructions, the Juror that had a cousin that spilled the beans on his statement about Trump, on and on "Mistrial"!

"MISTRIAL"!

ABC​

Trump not eligible for immunity in New York hush money case, judge rules​

Dec 16, 2024

Judge Juan Merchan said the evidence "poses no danger" to the executive branch.

The New York judge in President-elect Donald Trump's criminal hush money case ruled Monday that the Supreme Court's presidential immunity decision does not apply to that case.

Trump had sought to dismiss his criminal indictment and vacate the jury verdict on the grounds that prosecutors, during the trial last May, introduced evidence relating to Trump's official acts as president, after the Supreme Court later ruled in July that Trump is entitled to presumptive immunity from criminal prosecution for official acts undertaken while in office.

However, Judge Juan Merchan said on Monday that the evidence in Trump's hush money case related "entirely to unofficial conduct" and "poses no danger of intrusion on the authority and function of the Executive Branch."

ABC​

Trump asks judge to toss hush money conviction and dismiss case following Supreme Court immunity ruling​

July 11 2024

Former President Donald Trump has asked a New York judge to dismiss his criminal hush money case and vacate his conviction on 34 felony counts by arguing the trial was "tainted" by evidence and testimony that the Supreme Court's landmark ruling on presidential immunity now makes off-limits.

In a 52-page filing made public on the same day the former president was originally scheduled to be sentenced, Trump's lawyers argued that prosecutors violated the Supreme Court's immunity doctrine by using evidence related to official acts -- including testimony from former White House aides-- to fill "glaring holes in their case."

See above.

-- A2SG, I'm sure Trump's lawyers will try that argument, but I don't hold much hope for its success.. .

 

[Truth7t7]

A2SG, I'm sure Trump's lawyers will try that argument, but I don't hold much hope for its success.. .

Your living in denial, SCOTUS knew exactly what they were doing, and under "Presedential Immunity" SCOTUS will be the final word on the case if need be, it's now a constitutional matter outside of the corruption in New York

 

[FenderTL5]

Your living in denial, SCOTUS knew exactly what they were doing, and under "Presedential Immunity" SCOTUS will be the final word on the case if need be, it's now a constitutional matter outside of the corruption in New York

That's an interesting position to take, that hiding payments to pornstars with personal funds is an official act of the President under core constitutional powers.
That very same Supreme Court ruling that said all presidents have absolute criminal immunity for official acts under core constitutional powers, also said there's no immunity for unofficial acts.

 

[A2SG]

Your living in denial, SCOTUS knew exactly what they were doing, and under "Presedential Immunity" SCOTUS will be the final word on the case if need be, it's now a constitutional matter outside of the corruption in New York

Filling out business records for one's private business (whether in office as president or not) is not an official act.

-- A2SG, mangling the Constitution that much seems beyond even Clarence Thomas' ability....

 

[Truth7t7]

That's an interesting position to take, that hiding payments to pornstars with personal funds is an official act of the President under core constitutional powers.
That very same Supreme Court ruling that said all presidents have absolute criminal immunity for official acts under core constitutional powers, also said there's no immunity for unofficial acts.

Non-Disclosure agreements are legal and done every day, nothing was against the law whatsoever except Michael Cohen and his lies to congress being sentenced to 3 years in the goulag for it

The same lying Michael Cohen used as a key witness in the court of the biased corrupt Biden supporting Judge Juan Merchan, in Judicial Lawfare in Election interference

 

[Truth7t7]

Filling out business records for one's private business (whether in office as president or not) is not an official act.

-- A2SG, mangling the Constitution that much seems beyond even Clarence Thomas' ability....

The case in Juan Merchans court allowed testimony and evidence to the Jury as you've been shown, thats protected under presidential immunity "Mistrial"

SCOTUS knew exactly what they were doing to stop Judge Juan Merchans 3 ring circus in their ruling of presidential immunity "After" the 3 ring circus case ended, this same SCOTUS will hear the case if need be on appeal without question in the 6/3 conservative majority court, the liberal lefts attempts to take down president Trump using lawfare has failed, he's the 47th president in the US MAGA America First!

You can try to change the subject all you want in your denial of the fact, it's gonna be a case in the Ole trash bin on appeals "Mistrial"!

 

[FenderTL5]

Non-Disclosure agreements are legal and done every day..

That does not make one done in the private sector an official act of the President under core constitutional powers.

 

[A2SG]

The case in Juan Merchans court allowed testimony and evidence to the Jury as you've been shown, thats protected under presidential immunity "Mistrial"

Again, business records for one's private company are not official acts of the President, so immunity doesn't apply in this case. And, again, there can't be a mistrial, the verdict has been decided.

SCOTUS knew exactly what they were doing to stop Judge Juan Merchans 3 ring circus in their ruling of presidential immunity "After" the 3 ring circus case ended, this same SCOTUS will hear the case if need be on appeal without question in the 6/3 conservative majority court, the liberal lefts attempts to take down president Trump using lawfare has failed, he's the 47th president in the US MAGA America First!

While I might disagree with the concept of presidential immunity from criminal prosecution, that doesn't matter. It's been decided, and that's the way it is. BUT...it still doesn't apply to unofficial acts, such as filling out business records for one's own private business. Fraudulently or otherwise.

You can try to change the subject all you want in your denial of the fact, it's gonna be a case in the Ole trash bin on appeals "Mistrial"!

Once again, you seem to have no idea what a mistrial is.

-- A2SG, but at least you put it in quotes.....

 

[Truth7t7]

Again, business records for one's private company are not official acts of the President, so immunity doesn't apply in this case. And, again, there can't be a mistrial, the verdict has been decided.

The scope of the jury trial was beyond that of just personal business records, as if the world is unaware that several human beings testified on the witness stand

Witness testimony and information provided during trial by the prosecution before the jury that had to do with president Trump while in his official capacity as President 1/20/2017 to 1/20/2021, this tainted the jury with inadmissible evidence protected under "Presedential Immunity"

"MISTRIAL" and the case and conviction charges will be "Dismissed" in the appeal process

 

[A2SG]

The scope of the jury trial was beyond that of just personal business records, as if the world is unaware that several human beings testified on the witness stand

But that was the crime Trump was accused of, and nothing about it falls within his official constitutional duties. Thus, immunity doesn't apply.

Witness testimony and information provided during trial by the prosecution before the jury that had to do with president Trump while in his official capacity as President 1/20/2017 to 1/20/2020, this tainted the jury with inadmissible evidence protected under "Presedential Immunity"

None of which affected the outcome at all.

"MISTRIAL"

Still can't have a mistrial after the verdict has been reached. This will remain true, by the way, no matter how many times you think otherwise.

and the case and conviction charges will be "Dismissed" in the appeal process

Doubtful, but I guess we'll see.

-- A2SG, citing "presidential immunity" for acts that don't fall under a President's official duties seems a pretty hopeless hail mary, gotta say....

 

[Pommer]

The scope of the jury trial was beyond that of just personal business records, as if the world is unaware that several human beings testified on the witness stand

Witness testimony and information provided during trial by the prosecution before the jury that had to do with president Trump while in his official capacity as President 1/20/2017 to 1/20/2020, this tainted the jury with inadmissible evidence protected under "Presedential Immunity"

"MISTRIAL" and the case and conviction charges will be "Dismissed" in the appeal process

Trump resigned 1/20/2020?
I missed that.

 

[Truth7t7]

Trump resigned 1/20/2020?
I missed that.

Correction 1/20/2021