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[Hans Blaster]

Third poster to deflect instead of answering a simple question.

I hadn't been asked the question yet.

The USA is majority European descent.

So.

So I'll ask again, is it okay if the majority of Americans would prefer to keep it that way, or is that evil/immoral/bad?

We've heard the same rhetoric for at least 180 years about foreigners coming to disrupt American culture and heritage.

The railed about the coming of the Irish, the Germans, the Scandanavians, the Slavs, the Italians, Jews, the Greeks, the Chinese and the Japanese. They compained about foreign religions arriving here: Catholicism, Judaism, Orthodoxy.

And that was all before the Klan's greatest political triumph in the form of the immigration restriction 100 years ago.

I have zero respect for the "preserve our national culture" stuff. Not then, not now.

So is it okay if people that descend from that regional designation would prefer to share a community with other people who descend from that regional designation?

Europeans didn't start forming a shared community until very recently. Long after most European immigrants came to the US.

Can you offer a straightforward answer, or just more nazi jokes?

I don't joke about nazis.

 

[lifepsyop]

Europeans didn't start forming a shared community until very recently. Long after most European immigrants came to the US.

So is it okay if they do that? It's not sinful is it?

 

[lifepsyop]

What's funny is that I don't even care that much about "preserving whiteness"

As a Christian, what I do care about is false religion.

The Postwar Consensus is a false religion based around a fake sin that says that white people who prefer to live around white people are super bad and evil. (When in reality it's just normal behavior for all races/ethnic groups)

Western society has been running on this fake religion for decades, meanwhile actual Christianity has been gradually cast aside. As long as you're not a "racist" then you're a good person.

"Homosexuality, P*rnography, Abortion, Atheism, Divorce, All OK! Just don't be a racist!!!" This 20th century religion can't die fast enough.



this bears repeating.

 

[Hans Blaster]

What's funny is that I don't even care that much about "preserving whiteness"

Even the rest of this post of yours seems to reject that notion.

As a Christian, what I do care about is false religion.

You can take that up in the appropriate place to discuss heresy. This is a current events thread about the executive actions of President Trump. The US is a secular nation and the president has no power to declare what religion is true or false, so it is of no relevance here.

The Postwar Consensus is a false religion based around a fake sin that says that white people who prefer to live around white people are super bad and evil. (When in reality it's just normal behavior for all races/ethnic groups)

As one of these so-called "white people" I have no idea what I am supposed to feel in common with the rest of them. "We" are not some uniform group with a common culture exclusive of other cultures. I get a little suspicious of anyone talking about commonality with other "white people".

Western society has been running on this fake religion for decades, meanwhile actual Christianity has been gradually cast aside. As long as you're not a "racist" then you're a good person.

"Homosexuality, P*rnography, Abortion, Atheism, Divorce, All OK! Just don't be a racist!!!" This 20th century religion can't die fast enough.

What fake religion is this? What you have described makes no sense and it is not a religion.

 

[Hans Blaster]

So is it okay if they do that? It's not sinful is it?

I don't care about "sin" and the European Union has nothing to do with even your off topic wanderings.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Let's ask President Musk:
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Isn't Musk African American?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Isn't Musk African American?

Of the apartheid variety.

 

[lifepsyop]

You can take that up in the appropriate place to discuss heresy. This is a current events thread about the executive actions of President Trump. The US is a secular nation and the president has no power to declare what religion is true or false, so it is of no relevance here.

Okay. One of the reasons Trump won in a landslide is that many "white" Americans are fed up with mass third-world immigration and don't want to have the feeling that they're being replaced by the rest of the world. Nothing wrong with that, right?

As one of these so-called "white people" I have no idea what I am supposed to feel in common with the rest of them.

That's okay. Nobody said you had to.

"We" are not some uniform group with a common culture exclusive of other cultures.

But you don't get to speak for how others feel, do you?

The fact is many Americans do feel there is a common 'Anglo' ethnic culture that they share spanning back to the original founding of the nation. I'm sure you'd love to lecture them endlessly on how they have no basis to feel this way, but the fact is that they still do feel this way, and wish to preserve that ethnic/cultural demography.

I get a little suspicious of anyone talking about commonality with other "white people".

Probably because you've been indoctrinated to believe that every other commonality is perfectly fine except for white people.

In any case, you're allowed your superstitions of the 'evil white man', but a lot of Americans are far more suspicious about the trend of replacing western "white" peoples with every other people group from around the world via mass immigration. Again, that's a big reason your President is Trump.

What fake religion is this? What you have described makes no sense and it is not a religion.

Do you want to discuss it or is it off-topic? Make up your mind.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I know for a fact I don't want Jews or other foreigners replacing us.

 

[Aldebaran]

Isn't Musk African American?

He is, but national identity is only recognized when a person is of the "correct" color.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Okay. One of the reasons Trump won in a landslide

He didn't. Not even close to a landslide.

is that many "white" Americans are fed up with mass third-world immigration and don't want to have the feeling that they're being replaced by the rest of the world. Nothing wrong with that, right?

Replacement theory? Yeah there is something wrong with that.

That's okay. Nobody said you had to.



But you don't get to speak for how others feel, do you?

I'm talking about my suspicion of those who go on about being white and "white culture".

The fact is many Americans do feel there is a common 'Anglo' ethnic culture that they share spanning back to the original founding of the nation. I'm sure you'd love to lecture them endlessly on how they have no basis to feel this way, but the fact is that they still do feel this way, and wish to preserve that ethnic/cultural demography.

Hey, if you want to go on about an English ethnic identity, go on all you want, but don't for a second think that it is the same as "white".

Probably because you've been indoctrinated to believe that every other commonality is perfectly fine except for white people.

What crock. My point is that "white" is meaningless. It is not an ethnic identity or culture. It's just a broad category, but don't confuse the rest of us "white people" with Anglo-Protestants. I grew up in an ethnically diverse, mostly white place. "White solidarity" never looked like anything but a rejection of non-white ethnic groups to me.

In any case, you're allowed your superstitions of the 'evil white man', but a lot of Americans are far more suspicious about the trend of replacing western "white" peoples with every other people group from around the world via mass immigration. Again, that's a big reason your President is Trump.

I am absolutely aware that so called "white replacement" is a huge part of why Trump was elected and both parts of it disgust me -- Trump and his "white replacement" base.

Do you want to discuss it or is it off-topic? Make up your mind.

You are making up, or rather reclassifying the cultural movements you don't like as religions so you can imagine that they are opposed to and by Christianity.

 

[Pommer]

He is, but national identity is only recognized when a person is of the "correct" color.

What ever do you mean?

 

[lifepsyop]

Hey, if you want to go on about an English ethnic identity, go on all you want, but don't for a second think that it is the same as "white".

I actually don't care if it's called "white" or not. You could call it "Heritage" America, basically people who can trace their descendants back to the early establishment of the nation. They are Americans that didn't show up here 15 minutes ago. Yea most of those people are what you would colloquially call "white", or of European descent.

What crock. My point is that "white" is meaningless. It is not an ethnic identity or culture. It's just a broad category, but don't confuse the rest of us "white people" with Anglo-Protestants.

Nobody is forcing your inclusion in anything. (though I'm sure in your daily life you choose to associate in these majority "white" people groups that you also insist do not exist)

You're the one setting down arbitrary rules of who is and isn't allowed to identify as a group. There's all these people here with a shared history, a shared heritage, and you're waving your hands around saying "no no! you don't exist!" It's ridiculous.

I grew up in an ethnically diverse, mostly white place. "White solidarity" never looked like anything but a rejection of non-white ethnic groups to me.

Okay, are people allowed to want to maintain a similar demography that you yourself grew up in? i.e. "mostly white, with some ethnic diversity" ??

Are they allowed to want to maintain that demographic balance? Pretty simple question.

I am absolutely aware that so called "white replacement" is a huge part of why Trump was elected and both parts of it disgust me -- Trump and his "white replacement" base.

Yea... I get it. you're disgusted by a certain category of people, that you also insist does not exist.

Isn't it funny? they exist when you want to heap your derision on them, but they don't exist when they begin arguing for their own preservation as an identity group.


Also, most of these "white people" have never had a problem living and working side by side with non-whites.

What they have a problem with is the notion that they don't exist as an identity group at all. That 10,000 Heritage Americans who can trace their lineage back to 17th and 18th century founding and establishing of the nation, are completely interchangeable with 10,000 Haitians that were flown into the country yesterday.

That is the ridiculous atomized, wrong-on-its-face, worldview that people like you keep shoving in their faces.

And yea that's why you got President Trump.

And Trump is moderate compared to what you'll get next if you don't start recognizing Americans right to exist as a people with a shared culture and history.

You are making up, or rather reclassifying the cultural movements you don't like as religions so you can imagine that they are opposed to and by Christianity.

It's referred to as a Postwar Consensus Religion, because its disciples clearly treat it as a religion, with accusations of "Racism" as a heresy more diabolical than all the sins listed in the Bible put together... This Postwar religion has its own Satan figure, its own Soteriology (plan of salvation) and Eschatology (End Times), etc. etc. It really does hit all the religion boxes.

If only Christians treated actual sinful behavior with a fraction of the seriousness that Postwar disciples treat their own made up 20th century heresies.

 

[FenderTL5]

The USA is majority European descent.

So I'll ask again, is it okay if the majority of Americans would prefer to keep it that way, or is that evil/immoral/bad?

I'll answer your question.

It is certain, unabashedly, blatent hipocrisy.
The USA is majority European descent due to open border immigration and the overwhelming of the native (non-Europeans) who were here prior. That sometimes and often violent. The very thing you decry is the thing you are trying to preserve.
With the exception of the Chinese in the late 1800s, the USA had open borders until 1924. The vast majority of our European ancestors immigrated here because/due to the open borders.

I ask you, is hipocrisy evil/immoral/bad?

 

[Hans Blaster]

I actually don't care if it's called "white" or not. You could call it "Heritage" America, basically people who can trace their descendants back to the early establishment of the nation. They are Americans that didn't show up here 15 minutes ago. Yea most of those people are what you would colloquially call "white", or of European descent.

This is the same claim that has been made against our people for nearly 200 years. It is why it disgusts me to hear it today.

Nobody is forcing your inclusion in anything. (though I'm sure in your daily life you choose to associate in these majority "white" people groups that you also insist do not exist)

You have no idea about my daily life and I feel no need to clarify it for you.

You're the one setting down arbitrary rules of who is and isn't allowed to identify as a group. There's all these people here with a shared history, a shared heritage, and you're waving your hands around saying "no no! you don't exist!" It's ridiculous.

Whenever people start talking about the heritage of "white people" I pay attention and get very suspicious of them.

Okay, are people allowed to want to maintain a similar demography that you yourself grew up in? i.e. "mostly white, with some ethnic diversity" ??

You misunderstand (deliberately, I don't know) my statement. The place I grew up in was white, but ethnically diverse because it went from depopulated to fully populated in a generation and very few people came afterward. Those who moved in were mostly immigrants from Europe. They clustered into villages and towns and neighborhoods with their fellow immigrants creating the pattern still around today, but it only stays that way because no one wants to move there. They can't pass regulations prohibiting people of other groups from moving in.

Are they allowed to want to maintain that demographic balance? Pretty simple question.

Not if you have to restrict immigration by "race".

Yea... I get it. you're disgusted by a certain category of people, that you also insist does not exist.

Yes, white nationalists, and they definitely exist.

Isn't it funny? they exist when you want to heap your derision on them, but they don't exist when they begin arguing for their own preservation as an identity group.


Also, most of these "white people" have never had a problem living and working side by side with non-whites.

Then why does it matter who migrates to this country? What does the demographics of immigrants matter?

What they have a problem with is the notion that they don't exist as an identity group at all. That 10,000 Heritage Americans who can trace their lineage back to 17th and 18th century founding and establishing of the nation, are completely interchangeable with 10,000 Haitians that were flown into the country yesterday.

Why does having ancesors who came in the 17th century matter? That makes them no more American than those of us whose ancestors came to the US in the 19th century. Or those who came in the 20th century, or the 21st.

That is the ridiculous atomized, wrong-on-its-face, worldview that people like you keep shoving in their faces.

And yea that's why you got President Trump.

I am very aware of who voted for Trump. (And he is no "heritage american")

And Trump is moderate compared to what you'll get next if you don't start recognizing Americans right to exist as a people with a shared culture and history.

That sounds like a threat. The same kind of threat that violent nativists have been making for centuries against the current immigrants or anyone that doesn't oppose immigration.

It's referred to as a Postwar Consensus Religion, because its disciples clearly treat it as a religion, with accusations of "Racism" as a heresy more diabolical than all the sins listed in the Bible put together... This Postwar religion has its own Satan figure, its own Soteriology (plan of salvation) and Eschatology (End Times), etc. etc. It really does hit all the religion boxes.

If only Christians treated actual sinful behavior with a fraction of the seriousness that Postwar disciples treat their own made up 20th century heresies.

Whatever you speak of is a "religion" of your own invention.

 

[lifepsyop]

Whenever people start talking about the heritage of "white people" I pay attention and get very suspicious of them.

Sounds like you're a little more racist than you realized.

You misunderstand (deliberately, I don't know) my statement. The place I grew up in was white, but ethnically diverse because it went from depopulated to fully populated in a generation and very few people came afterward. Those who moved in were mostly immigrants from Europe. They clustered into villages and towns and neighborhoods with their fellow immigrants creating the pattern still around today, but it only stays that way because no one wants to move there. They can't pass regulations prohibiting people of other groups from moving in.

Not if you have to restrict immigration by "race".

There are many different immigration restrictions you could put in place that were not simply "race". The ability to speak fluent English and have an excellent understanding of American history, for example.

I bet you wouldn't like that either though... just another way for the evil white man to game the system.

Yes, white nationalists, and they definitely exist.

It's so weird how so many non-white people are white nationalists these days. Pretty sure Trump has done better with non-white demographic than any other Republican for the last several decades. That must be really hard for you to compute.

Then why does it matter who migrates to this country? What does the demographics of immigrants matter?

Because there's a difference between living next to the hard-working black family whose been living here for generations, and a hundred Somalis who got flown into your town yesterday and don't even speak English.

If you can't tell or admit that there's a difference, then you are beyond rational debate on this issue.

Why does having ancesors who came in the 17th century matter? That makes them no more American than those of us whose ancestors came to the US in the 19th century. Or those who came in the 20th century, or the 21st.

This is the fundamental problem with your point of view. You see zero difference with American lineages who settled the country, or immigrated early on and helped actually build the country... you see no difference between them and 10,000 Haitians that were flown in ten minutes ago. You have zero loyalty to any actual community of people here. It's all just interchangeable individuals. Half of India could move in here tomorrow and you'd be like "What's the problem? They're just as American as you or I!"

I've come to realize how utterly perverse this worldview is, and basically any group of Americans living before the 1960's would have found what you believe to be utterly insane. It's a perverted universal liberal "open society" ideology, and Thank God it is dying fast.

Yes, we have always been a nation of immigrants, but there is still a real actual particular people here with a real history and you can't just swap them out with any random assemblage of ethnic groups from around the world. That is postwar ideological fantasy.

I am very aware of who voted for Trump. (And he is no "heritage american")

That sounds like a threat. The same kind of threat that violent nativists have been making for centuries against the current immigrants or anyone that doesn't oppose immigration.

It's not a threat, it's just basic cause and effect. If you keep telling Americans that they don't exist as any real particular people and that they're evil for opposing unchecked waves of mass third-world immigration, eventually there is going to be a reaction. Trump is the "nice" moderate reaction. Try and stop him and something more extreme is inevitable. Americans see what happened to western Europe over the last half century. They are not going down that route.

 

[rjs330]

You mean other then abject poverty and lack of prospects in other locations?

You mean drug and alcohol abuse, lack of stability, domestic abuse, violence and criminal activity? I've been on plenty of reservations. I've got relatives that live on them. I know very clearly what goes on there. The best way to get away, is to get away. Trouble is, much of the culture comes with you.

There are places in a city where I grew up where the American Indians move to and off the reservation. Those areas are filled with the same things. Even though the city has opportunities for them to get jobs. The coat of living there isn't very high and it's very doable. There are two colleges there and trade schools. But their culture comes with them.

Sometimes a prople have to recognize that they are reaponsible for fixing their own cultural issues and the no one else.
In the university of my town they have a great American Indian program. Buildings just for them. Yet they struggle and struggle and when they live in the housing there is consistent abuse, and drunkeness. I was involved with one of them, trying to help. She was going to be kicked out of school and and I went to bat for her becaaue I believed she was really trying to break the cycle. The school allowed her to stay. Then over break she went to another town, burglarized a residence harmed people and stole drugs.

I still feel bad for her. But she had a chance.

No, what gets old is people misconstruing everything to make themselves the victim and then blaming everyone else for a "victim mentality ". No one is claiming white men are evil so kindly spare us the poor me routine.

You are blaming them. The white man is the ONLY one you ever mention as committing all the sins of the world.

Oh? How would the world today have been worse off if the really settlers had dealt fairly with the native Americans?

I wish we would have dealt with them.better. Conquering them and taking over their lands was what was needed and in rhe end created a country that has done more to benefit mankind.

I've always said that the worst thing we did to the natives was to put thwm.on reservations. They should have just been made to be part of the citizenry. It would have been tough, but in the end would have been better.

Not going to happen. Slavery is wrong. Genocide is wrong. Not going to excuse those things simply because people in the past had different morality.

Do you then believe in objective morality? Do you hold all people's to the same morality regardless of who they are or where they are from or when they lived?

Of course some of those are wrong. Just like how some of the actions of modern India are wrong. Just because they arenot brought up regularly does not mean they are not judged as wrong.

So you do believe in objective morality? You should bring those things up regularly, otherwise your judgements are not equal. They are unbalanced.

 

[rjs330]

Let's ask President Musk:
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You mean Der Furher Musk? Thats your insinuation right? That's why you would post a photo of what you want to portray instead of posting the entire video which shows what he was really doing.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Sounds like you're a little more racist than you realized.



There are many different immigration restrictions you could put in place that were not simply "race". The ability to speak fluent English and have an excellent understanding of American history, for example.

I bet you wouldn't like that either though... just another way for the evil white man to game the system.

I'm not a "restrictionist", so I'm not interested in your restrictions.

It's so weird how so many non-white people are white nationalists these days. Pretty sure Trump has done better with non-white demographic than any other Republican for the last several decades. That must be really hard for you to compute.

In case I was uncertain about your deliberate manipulations, I thank you for clarifying it for me.

Because there's a difference between living next to the hard-working black family whose been living here for generations, and a hundred Somalis who got flown into your town yesterday and don't even speak English.

If you can't tell or admit that there's a difference, then you are beyond rational debate on this issue.

I can smell your fear.

This is the fundamental problem with your point of view. You see zero difference with American lineages who settled the country, or immigrated early on and helped actually build the country... you see no difference between them and 10,000 Haitians that were flown in ten minutes ago.

Blood and soil, right?

You have zero loyalty to any actual community of people here. It's all just interchangeable individuals. Half of India could move in here tomorrow and you'd be like "What's the problem? They're just as American as you or I!"

Quit telling me what I believe.

I've come to realize how utterly perverse this worldview is, and basically any group of Americans living before the 1960's would have found what you believe to be utterly insane. It's a perverted universal liberal "open society" ideology, and Thank God it is dying fast.

Yes, we have always been a nation of immigrants, but there is still a real actual particular people here with a real history and you can't just swap them out with any random assemblage of ethnic groups from around the world. That is postwar ideological fantasy.

Your ideology is quite clear.

It's not a threat, it's just basic cause and effect. If you keep telling Americans that they don't exist as any real particular people and that they're evil for opposing unchecked waves of mass third-world immigration, eventually there is going to be a reaction. Trump is the "nice" moderate reaction. Try and stop him and something more extreme is inevitable. Americans see what happened to western Europe over the last half century. They are not going down that route.

I am done with your deliberate distortions and misrepresentations and your disgusting ideology.

 

[Pommer]

Sounds like you're a little more racist than you realized.



There are many different immigration restrictions you could put in place that were not simply "race". The ability to speak fluent English and have an excellent understanding of American history, for example.

I bet you wouldn't like that either though... just another way for the evil white man to game the system.


It's so weird how so many non-white people are white nationalists these days. Pretty sure Trump has done better with non-white demographic than any other Republican for the last several decades. That must be really hard for you to compute.


Because there's a difference between living next to the hard-working black family whose been living here for generations, and a hundred Somalis who got flown into your town yesterday and don't even speak English.

If you can't tell or admit that there's a difference, then you are beyond rational debate on this issue.



This is the fundamental problem with your point of view. You see zero difference with American lineages who settled the country, or immigrated early on and helped actually build the country... you see no difference between them and 10,000 Haitians that were flown in ten minutes ago. You have zero loyalty to any actual community of people here. It's all just interchangeable individuals. Half of India could move in here tomorrow and you'd be like "What's the problem? They're just as American as you or I!"

I've come to realize how utterly perverse this worldview is, and basically any group of Americans living before the 1960's would have found what you believe to be utterly insane. It's a perverted universal liberal "open society" ideology, and Thank God it is dying fast.

Yes, we have always been a nation of immigrants, but there is still a real actual particular people here with a real history and you can't just swap them out with any random assemblage of ethnic groups from around the world. That is postwar ideological fantasy.



It's not a threat, it's just basic cause and effect. If you keep telling Americans that they don't exist as any real particular people and that they're evil for opposing unchecked waves of mass third-world immigration, eventually there is going to be a reaction. Trump is the "nice" moderate reaction. Try and stop him and something more extreme is inevitable. Americans see what happened to western Europe over the last half century. They are not going down that route.

Out loud?