Trump terminates orders signed by Autopen during Biden administration

[BPPLEE]

Can someone take grandpa's tweeter away?

I wish someone could put an app on Trump's phone that lets him think he's posting on Truth Social or X but doesn't actually post

 

[prodromos]

How can he tell which were signed by an auto pen?

They are all identical. Nobody signs exactly the same every time.

 

[Valletta]

There is zero evidence of that happening (except under Trump).

There's a lot of evidence it happened under the Biden administration.

 

[A2SG]

There's a lot of evidence it happened under the Biden administration.

Please show us this evidence. I'd love to see it.

-- A2SG, so far, I ain't seen any....

 

[Valletta]

Please show us this evidence. I'd love to see it.

-- A2SG, so far, I ain't seen any....

The Biden Autopen Presidency: Decline, Delusion, and Deception in the White House - United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

oversight.house.gov

Go through the recorded statements of the Biden people and get back to us.

 

[Nithavela]

Joe Biden had the legal authority to sign executive orders, even if he was considered crooked, even if the executive orders may have been unwise.

Nobody but the president has the authority to sign such things. So everything signed by someone else or something else is unlawful. The autopen signature orders should rightly be nullified. If a few of them are worthwhile Trump could sign them OR Congress could vote on them.

Just because something is signed by autopen does not mean that Biden was not involved and someone else operated the machine.

 

[prodromos]

Just because something is signed by autopen does not mean that Biden was not involved and someone else operated the machine.

Biden was completely unaware he had signed an executive order pausing exports of liquid natural gas to Europe.

 

[Nithavela]

Biden was completely unaware he had signed an executive order pausing exports of liquid natural gas to Europe.

Even if that is the case, that is not proof positive that EVERY EO signed by autopen was without Biden's knowledge.

Besides, we are talking about end of term Biden. He probably forgot what he had for breakfast before he got lunch.

Anyone, this is a huge nothingburger. Trump has done nothing except write another tweet.

 

[Servus]

He can only rescind executive orders with a new EO. He cannot unilaterally discard everything Biden signed with auto-pen
I don't know how he would determine what was auto-pen either

An FBI or Secret Service forensic document examiner can tell the difference between a live signature and an autopen signature.

 

[prodromos]

Besides, we are talking about end of term Biden. He probably forgot what he had for breakfast before he got lunch.

Chocolate chocolate chip.
Do you seriously believe Biden was ever competent? It was obvious throughout the lead up to the elections that he was suffering dementia, or at least it was obvious to anyone who had experience with dementia patients.

 

[Matt5]

The Biden Autopen Presidency: Decline, Delusion, and Deception in the White House - United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

oversight.house.gov

Go through the recorded statements of the Biden people and get back to us.

Good. Low effort responses only deserve low effort responses in return. No hunting expeditions.

 

[Bob Crowley]

I'd have thought the digital coding would be different if a person signs something online, and an autopen signs it, even if they appear to be identical.

I'm talking about the actual assembly or machine language, but then that's only my guess.

I'm assuming there would be instructions for the autopen to operate and possibly the experts can isolate those so they know which are which.

 

[Servus]

Even if that is the case, that is not proof positive that EVERY EO signed by autopen was without Biden's knowledge.

Besides, we are talking about end of term Biden. He probably forgot what he had for breakfast before he got lunch.

Anyone, this is a huge nothingburger. Trump has done nothing except write another tweet.

That just means that it's all suspicious and potentially illegitimate. It calls many if not all Biden autopen signed EOs into question.
Really there should be a notary public to witness all EO signatures.

 

[Bob Crowley]

I went looking for "Is there a digital telltale sign when an autopen is used for signatures?"

AI had this in response -

Yes, several digital telltale signs can indicate a signature was made by an autopen, even when viewed digitally. The primary methods for detection rely on forensic analysis of the physical characteristics that reveal a mechanical origin, which can be observed with magnification or digital analysis tools.

Key digital forensic signs to look for include:

Uniform Pressure and Line Width: A human signature naturally has variations in pen pressure, leading to differences in ink thickness and paper indentation. Autopens tend to apply constant, even pressure, resulting in lines of exactly the same width throughout the signature.

Abrupt Starts and Stops: Humans lift the pen smoothly from the page, creating a tapering effect. Autopens start from a static position and stop abruptly at the end of each stroke, which can cause a small blob or pooling of ink at these points.

Identical Reproduction: The most definitive sign is that an autopen produces an exact replica every time. By comparing a signature to other known samples from the same person, a forensic expert can determine if they are identical overlays, which indicates mechanical reproduction.

Lack of Flow/Shakiness: Autopen signatures may appear to have a "drawn" or slightly shaky look, especially in long, fast strokes, due to the mechanical movement, which is different from the natural flow of a human hand.

No Paper Indentation Variability: While digital images might not immediately show physical indentation, high-resolution scans can reveal the uniform depth of the groove the pen made in the paper, contrasting with the irregular depth of a genuine signature.

Ink Crossing Points: Under high magnification, genuine signatures will show a darker spot where one trace of ink crosses another, due to the double layer of ink. While some modern machines can replicate this to an extent, the trace is often too regular.

Ultimately, forensic handwriting experts use magnification, UV light, and comparison libraries of known autopen patterns to make a definitive determination. Modern high-end machines can make detection very difficult, so consulting a professional is the surest method for authentication.

I think the experts will be able to decide which documents Mr. Biden actually signed himself and which were not.

 

[Servus]

I'd have thought the digital coding would be different if a person signs something online, and an autopen signs it, even if they appear to be identical.

I'm talking about the actual assembly or machine language, but then that's only my guess.

I'm assuming there would be instructions for the autopen to operate and possibly the experts can isolate those so they know which are which.

If you signed your name ten times, there would be slight variations in each signature.

If an autopen signed your name ten times each signature would be completely identical.

And also even though it's your own signature, you couldn't write a signature that completely matched the autopen signature.

 

[Nithavela]

Chocolate chocolate chip.
Do you seriously believe Biden was ever competent? It was obvious throughout the lead up to the elections that he was suffering dementia, or at least it was obvious to anyone who had experience with dementia patients.

I think he was probably competent at the start of his presidency, but not at the end, at least not reliably so. I don't know when the cutoff point was, and as a president of the USA, you don't really get "bad days". The neccessary article for removing an incompetent president were not invoked, so the point is moot.

I don't agree with the democratic party hiding the state of his mind or trotting him out for another candidacy.