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Palisades Fire live updates: Wildfires spread in Los Angeles, prompting mandatory evacuations, as Santa Ana winds expected to intensify

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You and I will just have to agree to disagree on this point.

I see Biden as insensitive to the plight of hurting people. He can't even fake authenticity.
Don't worry, you will soon have a president who is the very epitome of sensitivity :)
 
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I've been told nothing will grow where you use the salt water but I understand that they are using it in their planes

Aircraft were grounded for most of this event as the winds were just too high (and dangerous). One commentator noted the "scooper planes" and helicopters were in operation by Wednesday afternoon, but the bigger planes used to drop chemicals have not been used. In his opinion, dropping water is not very effective as most of the water evaporates before it hits the flames.
 
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From the article:

"Getty staff members have been consistently clearing brush from the surrounding area all year as part of its fire-mitigation efforts, the museum said.

That's a crucial lesson for homeowners in fire-risk areas.
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This is so true, owning land there's quite a bit of work in keeping the timber in good shape, periodic controlled burns and keeping the dead fall and the underbrush down some.

this is crucial land management upkeep. One would think when you are in a highly fire prone area it would be a super high priority to mitigate fire risk when hundreds of thousands of people are affected by out of control fires.

These politicians expect all of America to bail them out when all they were was too lazy to do the work, and too uncaring to put American lives first.
 
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From the article:

"Getty staff members have been consistently clearing brush from the surrounding area all year as part of its fire-mitigation efforts, the museum said.

That's a crucial lesson for homeowners in fire-risk areas.
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This is so true, owning land there's quite a bit of work in keeping the timber in good shape, periodic controlled burns and keeping the dead fall and the underbrush down some.

this is crucial land management upkeep. One would think when you are in a highly fire prone area it would be a super high priority to mitigate fire risk when hundreds of thousands of people are affected by out of control fires.

These politicians expect all of America to bail them out when all they were was too lazy to do the work, and too uncaring to put American lives first.

...good point.

However, in this case, the wildfire was driven by 50-80 MPH winds and impacted neighborhoods where houses were closer together. As fire burned up the steep canyons and hillsides of that area, the winds blew embers for miles, igniting homes in the process. The Getty sits on top of a hill...so it may have been less vulnerable than entire neighborhoods that are situated down slope.....
 
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We have controlled burns here. Because we have hurricanes, we have crews constantly searching for and removing dead and dangerous trees and brush.

The result is that we rarely have wildfires and, when we do, they're usually small and easily managed.

California chooses not to do those things and now the rest of us are on the hook for billions in aid.
I believe this to be true. Where I live, when driving thru Mescalero reservation and Lincoln national forest it's a night and day difference, in Mescalero you can see the forest through the trees.
 
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The Getty sits on top of a hill...
The Getty Center is on a hill overlooking the Sepulveda Pass far from the fires. This is the Getty Villa, which now houses the ancient art collection. It is much more secluded in a little canyon of its own. But as you say, it's not cheek-by-jowl with other structures and has the luxury of a lot of land around it that it controls. I believe they also have their own million gallon water tank, [ETA: oh that's at the Getty Center, but the Villa also has on-site water of some amount] which I don't believe was put to use.

16 staff members stayed on the ground to fight small fires and close the buildings off. And there was a little help from above.

Inside the dash to save the Getty Villa from the Palisades fire: A timeline

About 20 minutes later, security swept the grounds to make sure only emergency staff was on site. Heat from the fire caused several cameras to fail to reboot. Ten minutes later, an aerial fire crew dropped water over the Villa’s ranch house, which Fleming said is at the perimeter of the property and most vulnerable to fire. (The ranch house was J. Paul Getty’s original residence and was not built with the same fire-resistant construction as the Villa.)

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Los Angeles wildfires already pegged as costliest blaze in U.S. history

With strong winds, dry conditions and no immediate end in sight, analysts project total economic losses of $50 billion to $150 billion.

That far exceeds the $30 billion toll inflicted by the Camp Fire in Paradise, California, along with others that raged in the summer and fall of 2018.

[For some important perspective on that, the Camp Fire destroyed about twice as many structures and killed many many more people than the current fires have so far. But, as they say, location location location. Property values are significantly different.]
 
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I live less than 4 miles from where The Kenneth fire seems to have started. So a few things worth knowing.

Perhaps most important. There is no shortage of water. It is getting water to wilderness. If the maps are accurate The Kenneth Fire is almost entirely in the hills. No roads and no water pipes. It seems to be heading towards Hidden Hills, a huge gated community. I would not be surprised if there are evacuation orders for Hidden Hills. There are about 1700 residents and a lot of it is horse property. That means getting out takes time and there are only 3 gates.

The report that evacuation orders were sent out to the entire county seem accurate, but incomplete. At least for my phone a correction came less than 15 minutes later.

BUT when the erroneous order happened I checked for evacuation orders online. They were not easy to find. And not clear. They gave the borders, e.g. street names, but did not clarify which border each street was. 3 of the streets I recognized. The fourth I did not. That street turned out to be the West boundary of the evacuation area. Valley Circle was the East boundary. If only they had said that everything would have been clear to any of the 20,000 people plus who might have checked.

I've seen news reports saying the Kenneth Fire is near Bell Canyon. That is sort of correct. But it is no threat to that area. The wind is blowing away from Bell Canyon. Not quite as away is it is for me. If I were to fly a giant kite it would blow me right to the Kennneth Fire.

Some of the early maps of The Kenneth Fire were scary. They were off by about a mile and a half, butting it in an area with no open land, just homes and businesses. Even the 'mere' 50 acres at that point would have meant hundreds of buildings gone, and considering how soon after the first reports of the fire this was it would likely have meant scores killed if the location was accurate.
 
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I live less than 4 miles from where The Kenneth fire seems to have started. So a few things worth knowing.

Perhaps most important. There is no shortage of water. It is getting water to wilderness. If the maps are accurate The Kenneth Fire is almost entirely in the hills. No roads and no water pipes. It seems to be heading towards Hidden Hills, a huge gated community. I would not be surprised if there are evacuation orders for Hidden Hills. There are about 1700 residents and a lot of it is horse property. That means getting out takes time and there are only 3 gates.

The report that evacuation orders were sent out to the entire county seem accurate, but incomplete. At least for my phone a correction came less than 15 minutes later.

BUT when the erroneous order happened I checked for evacuation orders online. They were not easy to find. And not clear. They gave the borders, e.g. street names, but did not clarify which border each street was. 3 of the streets I recognized. The fourth I did not. That street turned out to be the West boundary of the evacuation area. Valley Circle was the East boundary. If only they had said that everything would have been clear to any of the 20,000 people plus who might have checked.

I've seen news reports saying the Kenneth Fire is near Bell Canyon. That is sort of correct. But it is no threat to that area. The wind is blowing away from Bell Canyon. Not quite as away is it is for me. If I were to fly a giant kite it would blow me right to the Kennneth Fire.

Some of the early maps of The Kenneth Fire were scary. They were off by about a mile and a half, butting it in an area with no open land, just homes and businesses. Even the 'mere' 50 acres at that point would have meant hundreds of buildings gone, and considering how soon after the first reports of the fire this was it would likely have meant scores killed if the location was accurate.
Stay safe.
 
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