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Christians finally smashing the idol of Multiculturalism

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Ok, but the two of them had already left the path of the Kingdom (being one with God) to get bogged down in worldly matters which was the core of their dispute. So in my thinking it is rather foolish of one church or another now to claim they embrace diversity when to do so they must first condemn another. They too are fallen back into the world.
SImply, God and His Word says nothing about embracing diversity the way babylon does throughout history. So it is foolish to try to alter God's Word as if that is something God approves of now.
 
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Phyletism, fortunately, is recognized as heresy by the Eastern Orthodox. I'd argue all Christians ought to condemn Phyletism/Ethnophyletism as incompatible with the foundational doctrines of Christianity: The Church is truly and properly catholic; she is not divided along ethnic lines; her ecclesiastical jurisdictions are geographical, not national. In Christ there is one new man. At the end of time we are gathered together and assembled around God as a diverse multitude which no one can count; comprised of every ethnos, tribe, and tongue. There is one Faith, one Baptism, one Body; one Spirit, one Lord, and one God and Father over all.

-CryptoLutheran
Amen and amen!

I’m amazed at your immense knowledge!

God bless
 
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Let me ask you a simple question: In a culturally and ethnically diverse society, such as ancient Rome or the modern US, how do you feel about the Church embracing that diversity within her walls--so there is neither white nor black, Mexican nor German, Italian or Honduran, Nigerian nor Cambodian, for all are one in Christ Jesus?

-CryptoLutheran

There is no question, of course the church is open to all people of all tribes and nations.

However, unless you're arguing for Christian Nationalism with strict religious tests (which is probably not a bad idea), then this doesn't even begin to apply to the subject of mass immigration into pluralistic western nations today.
 
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There is no question, of course the church is open to all people of all tribes and nations.

However, unless you're arguing for Christian Nationalism with strict religious tests (which is probably not a bad idea), then this doesn't even begin to apply to the subject of mass immigration into pluralistic western nations today.

What should the Christian attitude be toward the stranger and the refugee?

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Exactly the same as non-foreign child rape gangs.

sure, ideally.

but what if reigning multicultural ideology prevents that?

this is the whole point. we, and more importantly law enforcement, aren't allowed to notice ethnic conflict that results from mass third-world immigration.

you can no longer ignore this problem.
 
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What should the Christian attitude be towards foreign child rape gangs?

About 2.6 million people legally immigrated to the US in 2024; and there were about 3.2 million people were either apprehended (over 2 million) or turned away (1.1 million) at the border in 2024. (Source: 2024 Current State of the Union: US Immigration)

Of those 5.8 million people--who entered legally and who were apprehended or turned away--about how many do you think are part of pedophile rape gangs?

Is your default assumption about someone trying to seek refuge or asylum, whether through proper channels or through illegal means, that they are part of some cabal of pedophiles? Is that simply your default opinion about other people trying to enter into another country?

When I see a mother and her children trying to come into the United States to find opportunity to raise her children so that they can possibly prosper as adults and have opportunities that she didn't have--my assumption isn't that she's part of a nefarious cabal of pedophiles; but that she's a mother desperate to give her kids a better life. But, hey, if having a default opinion about brown people that assumes they are monsters helps you sleep better at night, who am I to deny that night light you use to scare your conscience away?

-CryptoLutheran
 
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sure, ideally.

but what if reigning multicultural ideology prevents that?

And what if puppies were dragons and breathed fire and captured damsels in distress?

-CryptoLutherans
 
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Can you name any Church which has embraced this modern phenomenon that has actually grown and is properly multicultural?

The one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church of Jesus Christ. When she is living properly in her mission, making disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Here is a lamentation, from the mouth of Dr. King,

We must face the sad fact that at eleven o'clock on Sunday morning when we stand to sing 'In Christ there is no East or West,' we stand in the most segregated hour of America.

And that's America, one of the most culturally and racially diverse countries on planet Earth.

When I was a child we used to sing a song,

"Jesus loves the little children
All the children of the world
Red and yellow, black and white
They are precious in His sight
Jesus loves the little children of the world
"

-CryptoLutheran
 
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About 2.6 million people legally immigrated to the US in 2024; and there were about 3.2 million people were either apprehended (over 2 million) or turned away (1.1 million) at the border in 2024. (Source: 2024 Current State of the Union: US Immigration)

Of those 5.8 million people--who entered legally and who were apprehended or turned away--about how many do you think are part of pedophile rape gangs?

the problem is not that a majority of immigrants are violent criminals.

this may blow some people's minds but the simple truth is that ethnic groups that were never a part of the western Christian tradition, do not generally hold western Christian values.

Western Europeans are, generally speaking, the only people who do not view the world in terms of race and ethnicity, and instead pride themselves on viewing all people as individuals, equally deserving of dignity and equally accountable to the law as individuals, regardless of ethnicity.

Most of the rest of the world does not share this belief. Most of the rest of the world is extremely ethnocentric.

When mass third-world immigration into western nations occur, those immigrants to not magically conform to western tradition when they set foot on western soil.

They instead form distinct ethnic enclaves, and view other ethnicities as outsiders.

As a result, the chance of inter-ethnic conflict increases. Outsiders are seen as.. well.. outsiders. Transgressions against outsiders are generally viewed as far more permissible than those against the ingroup.

Again, westerners do not generally think this way, but the rest of the world does. Many of us just have trouble accepting that fact.


The problem is two-fold.

So for example, we have the situation in the UK where there has been a 'foreign' rape-gang that has been targeting British children (ethnic outgroup) for abuse for decades.

Police and politicians have known this is happening for a long time, (facts that are now being unearthed), BUT they have been unable or unwilling to deal with the problem. Why? Because the only way to deal with it would be to acknowledge the ethnic component and they might be accused of racism or bigotry in doing so.


So again, the problem is not that a majority of immigrants are violent criminals (so let us dispense with that strawman),

but instead that they do in fact bring along with them an entirely ethnic-based criminal element, one that (currently) is not allowed to be acknowledged or investigated by western authorities.


Is your default assumption about someone trying to seek refuge or asylum, whether through proper channels or through illegal means, that they are part of some cabal of pedophiles? Is that simply your default opinion about other people trying to enter into another country?

Nope. I simply recognize the reality of the ethnic strife it will inevitably bring.

Immigrant child-rape gangs are just one of the more extreme examples. There are all sorts of other problems related to ethnic strife as a result of mass third-world immigration.

When I see a mother and her children trying to come into the United States to find opportunity to raise her children so that they can possibly prosper as adults and have opportunities that she didn't have--my assumption isn't that she's part of a nefarious cabal of pedophiles;

And it's not the mother and her child, it's the other million adult males coming along with them.

but that she's a mother desperate to give her kids a better life. But, hey, if having a default opinion about brown people that assumes they are monsters helps you sleep better at night, who am I to deny that night light you use to scare your conscience away?

I have met and befriended many non-white people in my life. some of the nicest people I've interacted with are black Americans. the color of someone's skin actually matters very little to me.

but the irony... would you be able to sleep at night knowing most of the non-western world is in fact extremely racist and ethnocentric? or is the illusion that they will all become good colorblind pluralistic individuals too important to let go?
 
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The one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church of Jesus Christ. When she is living properly in her mission, making disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Global Landscape of Christianity (the blue is a link) - the thing that looks like this as a world map?


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So for example, we have the situation in the UK where there has been a 'foreign' rape-gang that has been targeting British children (ethnic outgroup) for abuse for decades.
We have our own child abusers, it is not a "foreigner" thing, see here - Justin Welby resigns - the shameful, not at all Christian abuse situation behind this was going on for decades, and I will not include the abusers name in here, but if you follow the link or look into that story, this person was enabled to "move to to Africa in 1984 and continued to carry out the abuse". (Btw abuser is named in the linked article)
 
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We have our own child abusers,

we sure do. we also have our own poor and helpless. they are the ones that pay so that affluent liberals, far removed from the social costs of mass immigration, can feel good about themselves.

it is not a "foreigner" thing,

true, it is a human thing.

but when foreigners target those outside of their own ethnic groups, western law enforcement will be blind to or cover up the organization of it.

because under the postwar consensus - open-society religion of multiculturalism, we are not allowed to investigate or notice patterns that involve an ethnic component.

this is actually happening in the UK right now. mass third-world immigration has been a disaster.

the USA is not far behind the UK. we have a choice whether or not to let our children and grandchildren go through the misery that is befalling Europe right now.

Thank God, it looks like Americans are beginning to say No More.
 
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The one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church of Jesus Christ. When she is living properly in her mission, making disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Here is a lamentation, from the mouth of Dr. King,

We must face the sad fact that at eleven o'clock on Sunday morning when we stand to sing 'In Christ there is no East or West,' we stand in the most segregated hour of America.

And that's America, one of the most culturally and racially diverse countries on planet Earth.

When I was a child we used to sing a song,

"Jesus loves the little children
All the children of the world
Red and yellow, black and white
They are precious in His sight
Jesus loves the little children of the world
"

-CryptoLutheran
Dr King wasn't even a Christian, nor is this an actual answer. As congregations always tend to gather around ethnic communities anyway. So it needs to be asked, where does this pro diversity model actually work?
 
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this is actually happening in the UK right now. mass third-world immigration has been a disaster.
But will the Prime Minister resign over his blind eye to the mass rapes that were seen as culturally acceptable?
 
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The basis of any country is its morality. North America, like Europe and the British Isles, was built upon moral principles once claimed to be based on the 10 commandments. With the trend of calling foul if other immigrating nations are not allowed to keep their old ways we see that moral standard diminished and frankly this should not be allowed. The reason people come here in the first place was for the higher standards than their own. To diminish it to their level is absolute insanity and should not be allowed. A homogenized society may be beneficial to some, but disastrous to others as things average out.
 
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