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I recently acquired an ESV Study Bible (hardback) for use in studying what Evangelicals teach. I expected the study notes to be slanted towards standard evangelical perspectives, and such is the case. Here's a statement from the ESV Study Bible about its theological perspectives:
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I think it is rather cringeworthy considering that it comes from a school of religious thinking that advocates in favour of Sola Scriptura.
 
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I recently acquired an ESV Study Bible (hardback) for use in studying what Evangelicals teach. I expected the study notes to be slanted towards standard evangelical perspectives, and such is the case. Here's a statement from the ESV Study Bible about its theological perspectives:
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I think it is rather cringeworthy considering that it comes from a school of religious thinking that advocates in favour of Sola Scriptura.

Indeed, for Sola Scriptura to work in the manner intended by most of the Magisterial reformers (with the exception of Luther, who rather disagreeably interpolated “alone” into Romans and wanted to omit James, Jude, Hebrews and the Apocalypse from his vernacular translation of the Bible, but was persuaded otherwise by Philip Melancthon), the Scriptural translation must be as neutral as possible.

We also see an example of this bias in the sixth of the 39 Articles of Religion, which rejected a doctrinal interpratation of the so-called Deuterocanon (which is Protocanon as far as the Orthodox are concerned) while retaining them for moral edification in the cycle of scripture lessons of the Anglican Divine Office, and the omission of these books from most published copies of the King James BIble despite the fact that no KJV is technically complete without them. These books contain views which challenge doctrinal positions embraced by many, but not all Protestants, for example, they support the idea of prayer for the dead, which has also been endorsed by CS Lewis and is a common practice among many, perhaps most Anglicans (who now constitute the largest Protestant denomination, and which several provinces of which have thankfully discarded the 39 Articles or else effectively reinterpreted them in a manner less problematic using the writings of the Tractarians of the Oxford Movement led by Edward Pusey).

Thus i think most Protestant theologians from mainstream traditional liturgical churches would, at present, prefer objective translations of Scripture, insofar as this is possible.

As an Orthodox however, I question whether such an objective translation is possible or desirable. I feel that where multiple Scriptural readings exist, those which were favored by the Early Church Fathers or which conform to their hermeneutical principles or which are more obviously Christological in the case of the Old Testament are the most desirable (for this reason I do not entirely reject the Masoretic Text, despite my strong preference for the Septuagint, because while the Septuagint contains more Christological readings than the Masoretic, the Masoretic has some Christological readings the Septuagint lacks, for example, Psalm 1:12, and my preference would be to hybridize on this basis, and for this reason I also prefer the Byzantine and the somewhat obscure Western text type over the Alexandrian text type in most cases (although I am not entirely convinced the Longer Ending of Mark is entirely authentic, but i hate to take the risk of removing something, however, the disputed nature of it is something I feel should be stressed in light of the problems caused for the practice of the Christian religion by the Snake-Handling Pentecostals of Appalachia, who interpret certain verses in the Longer Ending of Mark as being some sort of commandment to sacramentally mess around with venomous snakes and scorpions in order to demonstrate they have received the Holy Spirit, which results in occasional serious injuries.
 
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I am not entirely convinced the Longer Ending of Mark is entirely authentic, but i hate to take the risk of removing something, however, the disputed nature of it is something I feel should be stressed in light of the problems caused for the practice of the Christian religion by the Snake-Handling Pentecostals of Appalachia, who interpret certain verses in the Longer Ending of Mark as being some sort of commandment to sacramentally mess around with venomous snakes and scorpions in order to demonstrate they have received the Holy Spirit, which results in occasional serious injuries.
Agreed, snake handling semi-cultist religion is not an ideal outcome of the long ending of saint Mark's gospel, yet it exits.
 
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I recently acquired an ESV Study Bible (hardback) for use in studying what Evangelicals teach. I expected the study notes to be slanted towards standard evangelical perspectives, and such is the case. Here's a statement from the ESV Study Bible about its theological perspectives:
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I think it is rather cringeworthy considering that it comes from a school of religious thinking that advocates in favour of Sola Scriptura.
The ESV text in itself is pretty good, and the ESVCE seems on the surface to be just fine. I have been using it and looking for problems but as of yet nothing severe. In comparison the NIV has some spectacular translation fails. Ascension Press, who publishes the ESVCE in the USA had asked the ESV copyright holders for permission to do an ESVCE Study Bible with Catholic notes. Last I heard that request was denied. OTOH the Ignatius Study Bible is now complete and it looks like an entirely worthy book. That Bible uses the RSV base text, long available in a Catholic edition (RSVCE) and recently updated to be fully in accord with Liturgicam Authenticam and in a bit more modern English. I think it is poised to be one of the Prime English language Catholic study Bibles for a generation. Sadly the ESV misses on that, and in a sense, as good as the translation is, it will never cut it as a popular Catholic Bible. What you discovered looks like it indicates what the copyright holders of the ESV actually approve.
 
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The ESV text in itself is pretty good, and the ESVCE seems on the surface to be just fine. I have been using it and looking for problems but as of yet nothing severe. In comparison the NIV has some spectacular translation fails. Ascension Press, who publishes the ESVCE in the USA had asked the ESV copyright holders for permission to do an ESVCE Study Bible with Catholic notes. Last I heard that request was denied. OTOH the Ignatius Study Bible is now complete and it looks like an entirely worthy book. That Bible uses the RSV base text, long available in a Catholic edition (RSVCE) and recently updated to be fully in accord with Liturgicam Authenticam and in a bit more modern English. I think it is poised to be one of the Prime English language Catholic study Bibles for a generation. Sadly the ESV misses on that, and in a sense, as good as the translation is, it will never cut it as a popular Catholic Bible. What you discovered looks like it indicates what the copyright holders of the ESV actually approve.
The translation looks fine, it has a few evangelical vocabulary quirks (such as replacing expiation with propitiation) so I have no serious complaints against it but the study notes have, as the "doctrinal perspective" indicated, a systematic bias.
 
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The translation looks fine, it has a few evangelical vocabulary quirks (such as replacing expiation with propitiation) so I have no serious complaints against it but the study notes have, as the "doctrinal perspective" indicated, a systematic bias.
Expiate (Heb 2:17) - to make propitiation for
 
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Expiate (Heb 2:17) - to make propitiation for
Hebrews 2:17 RSV-CE Therefore he had to be made like his brethren in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make expiation for the sins of the people.
 
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I recently acquired an ESV Study Bible (hardback) for use in studying what Evangelicals teach. I expected the study notes to be slanted towards standard evangelical perspectives, and such is the case. Here's a statement from the ESV Study Bible about its theological perspectives:
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I think it is rather cringeworthy considering that it comes from a school of religious thinking that advocates in favour of Sola Scriptura.
All study bibles do this, though. The Ignatius Catholic Study Bible has notes that are slanted toward the Catholic perspective. For example, there's a note on John 15:26, if I remember correctly, that says it proves the filioque. And the Orthodox Study Bible has a note on the same verse saying it disproves the filioque. I'm pretty sure the Ryrie NASB Study Bible, although I haven't looked at it in a while, has a note on Matt. 16:18 that repeats the discredited "petra = rock, Petros = pebble" argument.
 
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All study bibles do this, though. The Ignatius Catholic Study Bible has notes that are slanted toward the Catholic perspective. For example, there's a note on John 15:26, if I remember correctly, that says it proves the filioque. And the Orthodox Study Bible has a note on the same verse saying it disproves the filioque. I'm pretty sure the Ryrie NASB Study Bible, although I haven't looked at it in a while, has a note on Matt. 16:18 that repeats the discredited "petra = rock, Petros = pebble" argument.
A question for you to think on; does the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible have a declaration in its front matter telling what theological biases will be used in its notes?
 
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A question for you to think on; does the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible have a declaration in its front matter telling what theological biases will be used in its notes?
Yes, at least the New Testament that I have does. It has an introduction by Scott Hahn which says:

"Using This Study Guide This volume is designed to lead the reader through Scripture according to the Church's guidelines -- faithful to the canon, to the tradition, and to the creeds. The Church's interpretive principles have thus shaped the component parts of this book, and they are designed to make the reader's study as effective and rewarding as possible."

It also says that the RSV-2CE that it uses as a basis interprets verses of uncertain interpretation and includes verses of uncertain authenticity (according to secular scholarship) in a way that is consistent with Catholic tradition.
 
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Yes, at least the New Testament that I have does. It has an introduction by Scott Hahn which says:

"Using This Study Guide This volume is designed to lead the reader through Scripture according to the Church's guidelines -- faithful to the canon, to the tradition, and to the creeds. The Church's interpretive principles have thus shaped the component parts of this book, and they are designed to make the reader's study as effective and rewarding as possible."

It also says that the RSV-2CE that it uses as a basis interprets verses of uncertain interpretation and includes verses of uncertain authenticity (according to secular scholarship) in a way that is consistent with Catholic tradition.
Well done My Hahn! :)
 
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Agreed, snake handling semi-cultist religion is not an ideal outcome of the long ending of saint Mark's gospel, yet it exits.
So does self flagellation in certain Roman Catholic sects, why mention that? One cannot base the whole on the beliefs and actions of a few who call themselves a certain name.

Each denomination has it's strengths and weaknesses.

I find it incredulous that some the self same people who denigrate "mega churches" and "prosperity preachers" are members of a church worth a quarter of a trillion dollars and encase their churches in precious gems and gold.

We need to be careful that we are not tugging on knats while swallowing camels.
 
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So does self flagellation in certain Roman Catholic sects, why mention that? One cannot base the whole on the beliefs and actions of a few who call themselves a certain name.
Bolded and in red to locate the answer to the query easier.
Well, it didn't answer your question. So, I thought I'd repeat your question and see what answer you'd come up with.
There you go?

Here it is in Greek: Den boreí kaneís na vasísei to sýnolo stis pepoithíseis kai tis práxeis lígon pou aftoapokaloúntai me synkekriméno ónoma.

And of course Latin: Totum in paucorum opinionibus factisque fundare non potest, qui se aliquod nomen nominant.

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Bolded and in red to locate the answer to the query easier.

There you go?

Here it is in Greek: Den boreí kaneís na vasísei to sýnolo stis pepoithíseis kai tis práxeis lígon pou aftoapokaloúntai me synkekriméno ónoma.

And of course Latin: Totum in paucorum opinionibus factisque fundare non potest, qui se aliquod nomen nominant.

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So, basically you included it to have something obnoxious to write about?
 
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So, basically you included it to have something obnoxious to write about?

The title of the thread is BIASES

Agreed, snake handling semi-cultist religion is not an ideal outcome of the long ending of saint Mark's gospel, yet it exits.
to which I responded:

One cannot base the whole on the beliefs and actions of a few who call themselves a certain name.
Pointing out the bias in an argument that includes snake handling.
 
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The title of the thread is BIASES


to which I responded:


Pointing out the bias in an argument that includes snake handling.
I have no idea what that means to you but to me it means that a religious group that handles snakes because of how they interpret the long ending of the Gospel according to saint Mark isn't "a few who call themselves a certain name" it's a whole religion, a denomination.
 
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I have no idea what that means to you but to me it means that a religious group that handles snakes because of how they interpret the long ending of the Gospel according to saint Mark isn't "a few who call themselves a certain name" it's a whole religion, a denomination.
Name the denomination - I guarantee it is a small faction of the Pentecostals.
 
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