God's beautiful creation

[Joseph G]

Scientists discovered that it was fake through the investigation of the evidence.

You mean a segment of honest scientists. The junk scientists and media ran with it for 40 years because it fit their pre-conceived religion of evolutionary theory gone wild. Kinda like today.

In addition it was considered dubious as a human ancestor even when it wasn't known to be a fraud because it didn't line up with other evidence that had already been collected.

Ditto. Thank the good Lord there are some bold enough not to run with the pack. Again, like today.

Here's a superb account, imho, of the entire saga and the exact response of the scientific community - the honestly skeptical co-existing alongside the willfully gullible...

The Problem of Piltdown Man

Seduced by a racist idea, archaeologists hyped an outrageous hoax.

www.sciencehistory.org

Why did I throw in P. M.? Again, to demonstrate how photographs are only as good as the evidence to back them. The ones pro-offered proved zippo as "transistional forms". Really now...

I don't believe that you hold any other attitude, opinion, belief or system to the same ridiculous standard you hold biology and geology.

You mean to the standard of truth? Setting one's boundaries - in stating as fact - to what is only observable? You betcha. As far as science goes.

What IS observable? Intelligent Design. Clear evidence of a Creator. How many here have actually watched and responded to the vid's awe-inspiring evidence of creativity and brilliant design in the OP?

Point made.

Where one goes from there in seeking to know Him is surely a matter of faith. A faith that is abundantly rewarded for those that find Him.

God bless!

 

[Shemjaza]

You mean a segment of honest scientists. The junk scientists and media ran with it for 40 years because it fit their pre-conceived religion of evolutionary theory gone wild. Kinda like today.

Yes, it was actual study of fossils and extinct hominids that demonstrated it was false.

Scientists who accepted evolution showed that the weird mix of large brain and ape jaw was nonsesnse.

Ditto. Thank the good Lord there are some bold enough not to run with the pack. Again, like today.

Yes, and they accepted the evidence for the evolution of hominids in Africa.

Here's a superb account, imho, of the entire saga and the exact response of the scientific community - the honestly skeptical co-existing alongside the willfully gullible...

The Problem of Piltdown Man

Seduced by a racist idea, archaeologists hyped an outrageous hoax.

www.sciencehistory.org

Yep, that's the system of science is more trustworthy than the opinions of feelings of individuals.

Why did I throw in P. M.? Again, to demonstrate how photographs are only as good as the evidence to back them. The ones pro-offered proved zippo as "transistional forms". Really now...

Transitional forms are dime a dozen.

Creationist organisations can post every lie they like, but the many examples of Homo habilis, Homo erectus and Australopithecus afarensis will continue to exist and continue to be exactly the definition of a transitional fossil between modern humans and basal apes.

You mean to the standard of truth? Setting one's boundaries - in stating as fact - to what is only observable? You betcha. As far as science goes.

Nonsense.

You have an example of a fraud, that was revealed by the very methods you are attacking.

You have baseless accusations of people running with the pack, while you personally repost old ideas without examining the responses from decades past.

What IS observable? Intelligent Design. Clear evidence of a Creator. How many here have actually watched and responded to the vid's awe-inspiring evidence of creativity and brilliant design in the OP?

It's as observable and reliable as astrology.

They've never been even able to present clear definitions or objective measures for their imagined ideas like "specified information".

Point made.

Hardly.

Every ancient and mistaken idea you've posted in new threads has been trivially demonstrated to flawed or based on mistakes.

Where one goes from there in seeking to know Him is surely a matter of faith. A faith that is abundantly rewarded for those that find Him.

God bless!

Yet there are millions of Christians who are content in their faith without accusing scientists of being incompetent or liers.

 

[roman2819]

That URL doesn't work.

If the arguments and evidence are credible, why don't you present some?

Add www to the beginning or replace the '+' with a '.' here www+thegrandexperiment.com

 

[roman2819]

That URL doesn't work.

If the arguments and evidence are credible, why don't you present some?

I try to avoid placing link, this site. You can add 'www' or replace + with '.' here www+thegrandexperiment.com

Glad you taking the time to view them .
Suggest you start with the 10-13th min of the video that i posted in this thread., where Dr Werner discovered animals and fauna buried together with fossils of dinosaurs. And these animal/fauna are the same as today, meaning there are no change from dinosaur time, which evolutions claimed was millions or billions years ago. See the entire video of course to see Dr Carl Werner who studied and explore fossils for 30 years.

Evolution teaches that life changed over time. Living fossils are fossils of animals and plants that look just like the animals and plants living today, seemingly contradicting the idea of evolution and change. Dr. Werner and his wife photographed living fossils at dinosaur dig sites from all of the major animal phyla living today and all of the major plant divisions living today. His photographic essay challenges the idea that animals and plants changed over time. For more information visit TheGrandExperiment.com

 

[Joseph G]

Yes, it was actual study of fossils and extinct hominids that demonstrated it was false.

Scientists who accepted evolution showed that the weird mix of large brain and ape jaw was nonsesnse.



Yes, and they accepted the evidence for the evolution of hominids in Africa.



Yep, that's the system of science is more trustworthy than the opinions of feelings of individuals.



Transitional forms are dime a dozen.

Creationist organisations can post every lie they like, but the many examples of Homo habilis, Homo erectus and Australopithecus afarensis will continue to exist and continue to be exactly the definition of a transitional fossil between modern humans and basal apes.



Nonsense.

You have an example of a fraud, that was revealed by the very methods you are attacking.

You have baseless accusations of people running with the pack, while you personally repost old ideas without examining the responses from decades past.



It's as observable and reliable as astrology.

They've never been even able to present clear definitions or objective measures for their imagined ideas like "specified information".



Hardly.

Every ancient and mistaken idea you've posted in new threads has been trivially demonstrated to flawed or based on mistakes.



Yet there are millions of Christians who are content in their faith without accusing scientists of being incompetent or liers.

You obviously didn't watch the vid or read the article. Your choice. I'm not going to go on endlessly debating baseless conclusions and distortions. The evidence is there for the sincere seeker.

Btw... for all concerned. Here's one snippet revealing the power of a dedicated few - even amongst skeptics - over the populace at large. Why the faithful consider even a small band of powerful evolutionary religionists a threat - not only intellectually but spiritually - to the well-being of the unsuspecting public. Then and now...

"Osborn had no trouble inserting his theories of human evolution and his interpretation of the Piltdown remains into newspapers, museum exhibitions, and textbooks."

And it spread across the ocean thusly.

Resist folks! Otherwise...

Romans 1:21 ESV

"For although they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks to Him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened."

God bless us all.

biblegateway.com

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You are implying that someone who teach mathematics for 20 years is not qualified to teach a 7-year-old at junior school.

If Dr Werner is not qualified after 30 years of study evolution and examining fossils, then most people here would not be qualified to even comment on evolution, given their laymen level of knowledge in evolution. Being a layman myself, I read about evolution but cannot say I know much -- and I believe that many in this forum are similar. How do you understand deep technical stuff, how do you discern correct information from wrong ones if you are not a professional? At best, we can only rely on the views of people that have delved into evolution.

But he's not qualified though. If he was, he wouldn't saying some of the things he says. It's really that simple.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

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What? You reject clear photographic "evidence"? Well, I guess you reject this one, too! For shame...

Oh wait, that's Piltdown Man, with some fanciful additions to boot. Fooled the "experts" for how long?

Nevermind...

And yet it certainly wasn't YEC's who exposed it as being a hoax....

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I agree.

In my Boolean standards, Thalidomide falls under this one:

4. Bible says ø, Science says x = go with x

Well, they went with the evidence, and the evidence misled them.

Did the Bible really say "Thou shalt not use Thalidomide"? Grow up, AV.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I try to avoid placing link, this site. You can add 'www' or replace + with '.' here www+thegrandexperiment.com

Glad you taking the time to view them .
Suggest you tart with the 10-13th min of the video that i posted in this thread., where Dr Werner discovered animals and fauna buried together with fossils of dinosaurs. And these animal/fauna are the same as today, meaning there are no change from dinosaur time, which evolutions claimed was millions or billions years ago. See the entire video of course to see Dr Carl Werner who studied and explore fossils for 30 years.

Evolution teaches that life changed over time. Living fossils are fossils of animals and plants that look just like the animals and plants living today, seemingly contradicting the idea of evolution and change. Dr. Werner and his wife photographed living fossils at dinosaur dig sites from all of the major animal phyla living today and all of the major plant divisions living today. His photographic essay challenges the idea that animals and plants changed over time. For more information visit TheGrandExperiment.com

And I've said before:

Living fossils does not contradict evolution at all. In fact, it's expected that if an animal finds their perfect niche to live in, they will not change. Sharks, snakes, turtles, tortoises, etc, have not changed since their earliest ancestors since they're brilliantly well adapted for their environmental niches to live, but these animals will not be the same as their ancestors species. Even the modern day coelocanth are not the same animals as the ones found in the fossil records.

Dr. Werner, or Weber or whatever name you want to use for him, is significantly more than of fraud that he claims the world's scientists are. The fact he makes money off his videos is testament to that.

 

[AV1611VET]

Did the Bible really say "Thou shalt not use Thalidomide"? Grow up, AV.

Cute.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Cute.

So this:

In my Boolean standards, Thalidomide falls under this one:

4. Bible says ø, Science says x = go with x

Can take a hike then. Since after all, nowhere in the Bible is Thalidomide mentioned. But hey, they're your standards.

 

[Juvenal]

Look at more videos from thegrandexperiment.com and learn how information are manipulated to hide the truth. And it is not only in education or evolution.

I live for unwitting irony. Dr. Werner's demonstrations of the method are hardly unique. Like all such efforts, they rely on careful exclusion of critical analysis, even when that critical analysis is the sole reason scientific fraud has become known.

It should go without saying that none of the frauds upon which Dr. Werner seeks to profit were discovered by Dr. Werner himself or by any other creationist. It's always and solely the real biologists who separate these lies from the truth. And having done so, they are thanked for those efforts by erasure from the narratives.

He should be ashamed of himself. And you should be ashamed of him as well.

 

[Juvenal]

I try to avoid placing link, this site. You can add 'www' or replace + with '.' here www+thegrandexperiment.com

Glad you taking the time to view them .
Suggest you start with the 10-13th min of the video that i posted in this thread., where Dr Werner discovered animals and fauna buried together with fossils of dinosaurs. And these animal/fauna are the same as today, meaning there are no change from dinosaur time, which evolutions claimed was millions or billions years ago. See the entire video of course to see Dr Carl Werner who studied and explore fossils for 30 years.

Evolution teaches that life changed over time. Living fossils are fossils of animals and plants that look just like the animals and plants living today, seemingly contradicting the idea of evolution and change. Dr. Werner and his wife photographed living fossils at dinosaur dig sites from all of the major animal phyla living today and all of the major plant divisions living today. His photographic essay challenges the idea that animals and plants changed over time. For more information visit TheGrandExperiment.com

I've watched this video, and commented on it already. Dr. Werner's claims are not accompanied by evidence, but by claims that his wife has the evidence, in photos that he fails to share anywhere in the video.

All of the videos in this series are available at:

Video Series | The Grand Experiment

All 8 Episodes Of The Grand Experiment Video Series can be viewed by DVD or Online - Episode 1: The Quest For An Answer, Episode 2: Living Fossils, Episode 3: Untold Stories Of Human Evolution, Episode 4: Nine Categories Of Overturned Ape-Men, Episode 5: Human Evolution Fraud In North And South...

www.thegrandexperiment.com

 

[Juvenal]

I agree.

In my Boolean standards, Thalidomide falls under this one:

4. Bible says ø, Science says x = go with x

Well, they went with the evidence, and the evidence misled them.

[The above] can take a hike then. Since after all, nowhere in the Bible is Thalidomide mentioned. But hey, they're your standards.

You may wish to amend your response. The ø symbol represents the empty set. Hence AV is claiming the Bible says nothing about Thalidomide.

 

[River Jordan]

I've watched this video, and commented on it already. Dr. Werner's claims are not accompanied by evidence, but by claims that his wife has the evidence, in photos that he fails to share anywhere in the video.

Really? Wow, that's shocking. How do people fall for such obvious junk?

 

[Juvenal]

Really? Wow, that's shocking. How do people fall for such obvious junk?

In my experience, there's a natural reluctance within the faith community to critically examine the testimony of fellow adherents. The discomfort of cognitive dissonance is overcome by the discomfort of division on matters of faith.

 

[Joseph G]

And yet it certainly wasn't YEC's who exposed it as being a hoax....

God uses anyone He pleases, whether they acknowledge Him or not. Check out Nebuchadnezzar or Cyrus, for examples...

biblegateway.com

God bless!

 

[River Jordan]

In my experience, there's a natural reluctance within the faith community to critically examine the testimony of fellow adherents. The discomfort of cognitive dissonance is overcome by the discomfort of division on matters of faith.

I guess it's just a matter of trust, which is what con men count on.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

God uses anyone He pleases, whether they acknowledge Him or not. Check out Nebuchadnezzar or Cyrus, for examples...

biblegateway.com

God bless!

Lame copout is a lame copout.

Scientists were the ones who found Piltdown to be a hoax, not YECs.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You may wish to amend your response. The ø symbol represents the empty set. Hence AV is claiming the Bible says nothing about Thalidomide.

Ooof. My mistake there. But still, if AV could, he would.