Woman who preaches in Church

[Clare73]

The Bible can't possibly be your authority if you're misinterpreting and misapplying it. Again, the truth is, the Biblical books and letters weren't written in a non-historical vacuum.

It's time for people to wake up to this FACT and realize that the Lord and the truth in the Reality He made is BIGGER than the Bible alone.

Still dodging the Biblical principle (1 Tim 2:13-14) on which the injunction is grounded.

 

[Clare73]

I truly believe it is not the Fathers will that women be silenced. I believe it was Paul's will at that moment in time due to unfortunate circumstances. That being said, I don't think a woman Pastoring an entire church would be as successful as a married man with children.

And you truly ignore the unchanging principle in the word of God (1 Tim 2:14-15) on which Paul grounds it.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Still ignoring the Biblical principle (2 Tim 2:13-14) on which the injunction is grounded.

Clare, Clare, Clare. I do declare!

So, you've accepted 2 Tim 2:13-14 as a principle? Care to explain what it means, especially since Paul didn't explain it?

Or better yet? Which Bible scholars are approved by your church who you think I need to consult for more clarification on how to best understand this verse?

 

[Strong in Him]

Still ignoring the Biblical principle (2 Tim 2:13-14) on which the injunction is grounded.

No, it's not.

 

[Clare73]

1 Timothy 2:12-14 does not mention the pulpit or the assembly.

< sigh >

It prohibits women from being pastors, who authoritatively teach from the pulpit to the assembly.

 

[Clare73]

No, it's not.

Assertion without Biblical demonstration is without Biblical merit.

 

[Clare73]

So, you've accepted 2 Tim 2:13-14 as a principle? Care to explain what it means, especially since Paul didn't explain it?

1 Tim 2:13-14. with the principle upon which the prohibition is based, speaks for itself.

I'm not of the assembly which seeks to interpret God's word in accordance with man's "wisdom."

Likewise, non-submission to the word of God plainly spoken is above my pay grade.

 

[Strong in Him]

Assertion without Biblical demonstration is without Biblical merit.

You're missing the point.
You have, 3 times, asserted that 2 Timothy 2:11-14 teaches this - and even said "the principle [in these verses] speaks for itself."

The passage you mean to refer to is 1 Timothy 2:11-14. You have written, and are arguing from, the wrong reference.

 

[Clare73]

You're missing the point.
You have, 3 times, asserted that 2 Timothy 2:11-14 teaches this - and even said "the principle [in these verses] speaks for itself."

The passage you mean to refer to is 1 Timothy 2:11-14. You have written, and are arguing from, the wrong reference.

Thanks. . .

Then consider it in the light of the correct reference.

 

[Jermayn]

I object to this last sentence. Please do not characterize those who disagree with you as having Jesus as an "afterthought". Churches who allow people of all genders to serve as pastors take this position with the intent of faithfully following the teachings of Jesus. Churches who restrict ordination to only men also see themselves as following the teachings of Jesus.

We disagree, and it's an important disagreement, but we should at least respect that Christians who disagree with us are genuinely trying to follow Jesus, even if we understand his teachings differently.

I stated that by the time trans people are in the pulpit, Jesus is an afterthought. Allowing women to pastor is the beginning to the slippery slope to that point.

 

[Strong in Him]

Allowing women to pastor is the beginning to the slippery slope to that point.

Not at all; completely different.
Being a Pastor/Minister is a role to which someone is called and from which they may resign, retire or be sacked. Someone may live for 80 years and be a Pastor for only 30 of them.
The same is not true of sexuality.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I am absolutely certain Jesus Christ of Nazareth would not want us to squabble about women who spread the Gospel. I'm so over it! Blessings to all as we enter 2025!

 

[Clare73]

Not at all; completely different.
Being a Pastor/Minister is a role to which someone is called and from which they may resign, retire or be sacked. Someone may live for 80 years and be a Pastor for only 30 of them.
The same is not true of sexuality.

You've got to be kidding. . .

Your thinking that the meaning of the above is actually a parallel to his argument demonstrates your problem here.

 

[Strong in Him]

I am absolutely certain Jesus Christ of Nazareth would not want us to squabble about women who spread the Gospel. I'm so over it! Blessings to all as we enter 2025!

Indeed.
Blessings and a Happy New Year to you too.

 

[CoreyD]

Nope.

So why doesn't God correct them?
Why doesn't he punish the women involved?
Why are churches with female preachers and clergy growing?
Why doesn't God call so many male preachers that if a woman were to offer the answer would be, "we don't need anyone else"? Indeed, that was something I said to someone when I first joined these forums; "if you think it's wrong for me, and other women, to preach, pray that God will raise up men - and be prepared to do it yourself". I don't remember if I got an answer.

I think it may be a rule violation to give an answer.

 

[Jermayn]

i) He was talking about monogamy, not gender; ONE wife.
ii) I'm assuming you agree that if he must be the husband of one wife, then he must be a husband - single men need not apply. Similarly, if he has to be able to manage his children, he must have children. Are ordinands tested for their fertility, these days? Has anyone been turned away because they, or their wife, are infertile? Has anyone who is intentionally childless been rebuked for disobeying Scripture?

Why would Paul value the qualities of being married and having children over those of faith, love, Bible study, prayer, gifts of the Spirit and so on?

1) Please explain how a woman is supposed to be a husband? One WIFE?
2) Since we see some single men with no children leading the church in the Bible, we know the emphasis is on men who maintaining sexual purity and having strong leadership ability. Can women have that? Of course. That doesn't change the fact that God has reserved the role of pastor and deacon for only men who possess those qualities.

 

[Clare73]

I am absolutely certain Jesus Christ of Nazareth would not want us to squabble about women who spread the Gospel. I'm so over it! Blessings to all as we enter 2025!

Your certainty, being contrary to the word of God in 1 Tim 2:12-14, not giving you pause is all the testimony the faithful need.

This is not Maria Billingsley.

 

[Strong in Him]

You've got to be kidding. . .

Ok, so explain, then, how a person who feels deeply unhappy, even depressed, about the gender they've been born with, and is desperate to change is the same as a Christian woman being called by God to ordained Ministry; a role which is a calling, but also a paid job, and which she will give up one day.

 

[Strong in Him]

I think it may be a rule violation to give an answer.

If you're not flaming or goading, I don't see how.
I was asking why GOD didn't do something about it?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Your certainty being contrary to the word of God in 1 Tim 2:12-14, and not giving you pause is all the testimony the faithful need.

This is not Maria Billingsley.

I repented. Be blessed.