Are You *Really* Christians?

[Ben Leevey]

What's the central issue then?

Godliness vs worldliness.

 

[Ben Leevey]

What would you say is the central issue of the video?

Just up on message.

 

[ozso]

Amen! Very true! But are we sharing more of our surplus with the needy, or trying to get the next best car with it? I can't speak on an individual basis. I can on a national.

But it's pretty much a question to each individual. Whereas you appear to be broad brushing the majority of Chistians as being selfish sluggards.

 

[chevyontheriver]

This is a where I have lived for many years. It was built as a cheap hotel in 1917. It features very small rooms only equipped with a small sink. And I drive a dented up 25 year old Toyota.

Does this make me more godly?

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It IS three stories!.

 

[ozso]

Just up on message.

No, what would you say is the central issue of the video?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Godliness vs worldliness.

When I think of that, I look at a comparison of the spiritual system in the world vs the spirituality God gifted us from His own nature, the trinity.

But the video seems to focus on people pleasing by "not looking too rich"

 

[ozso]

It IS three stories!.

Apparently that was the average run of the mill house most people lived in back in the day. I'm going to have to re-read Dickens.

 

[ozso]

I haven't seen many honest questions. Rather antagonism. But is you have any honest questions I will gladly answer.

Calling someone dishonest and antagonistic, is rather antagonistic, don't you think?

 

[Ben Leevey]

But it's pretty much a question to each individual. Whereas you appear to be broad brushing the majority of Chistians as being selfish sluggards.

The majority of America "Christians" are worldly. I did not say they where sluggards. One doesn't afford an expensive house without work. But they seek earthly, rather than heavenly things.

 

[Ben Leevey]

No, what would you say is the central issue of the video?

I already told you. Worldliness vs Godliness.

 

[Ben Leevey]

When I think of that, I look at a comparison of the spiritual system in the world vs the spirituality God gifted us from His own nature, the trinity.

But the video seems to focus on people pleasing by "not looking too rich"

If that's how you see it... I don't know what to say. That's not even 25 percent of what is dealt with in the video.

 

[Ben Leevey]

Apparently that was the average run of the mill house most people lived in back in the day. I'm going to have to re-read Dickens.

Yes! You should research it. It's not unusual.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

If that's how you see it... I don't know what to say. That's not even 25 percent of what is dealt with in the video.

I recall videos put as the OP need to have a text transcript, is there one I can access?

 

[Ben Leevey]

Calling someone dishonest and antagonistic, is rather antagonistic, don't you think?

It depends whether it's true or not. And I don't think I've used the word dishonest.

 

[Ben Leevey]

I recall videos put as the OP need to have a text transcript, is there one I can access?

Yes! Here: A Call To Separation: Are We Christians Or Worldlings? – Horatius Bonar

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Yes! Here: A Call To Separation: Are We Christians Or Worldlings? – Horatius Bonar

Thank you.

So since it is a progressive momentum, this must be the point

Our time,
our abilities,
our money,
our strength-
are all to be laid upon the altar.

Sounds like a pastor who wants everyone's money and free labor.

I think this idea is already sufficiently integrated into the modern church.

 

[Ben Leevey]

Thank you.

So since it is a progressive momentum, this must be the point

Our time,
our abilities,
our money,
our strength-
are all to be laid upon the altar.

Sounds like a pastor who wants everyone's money and free labor.

I think this idea is already sufficiently integrated into the modern church.

He's speaking of a symbolic alter, before the LORD. Not an alter in a church. There's nothing in the context to indicate he's looking for a pay raise.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

He's speaking of a symbolic alter, before the LORD. Not an alter in a church.

Well, instead of giving offerings to a church, just give directly to the poor.

No need for a middle man.

I am reminded of

He who has pity on the poor lends to the LORD, And He will pay back what he has given. (Proverbs 19:17)

 

[Ben Leevey]

I'm going to make a bit of a statement. If anyone has honest concerns, I will gladly speak with them! But a lot of this has been going on:

"We compromise and shuffle and make excuses... we pare down truth, or palliate error, or extenuate sin"

I'm not going to answer the sarcasm and needling anymore:

"Answer not a fool according to his folly,
lest you be like him yourself." Proverbs 26:4

 

[Ben Leevey]

Well, instead of giving offerings to a church, just give directly to the poor.

No need for a middle man.

I am reminded of

He who has pity on the poor lends to the LORD, And He will pay back what he has given. (Proverbs 19:17)

Agreed! And this goes far above monetary offerings. How many of us can say we truly live both parts of the pure and undefiled religion James speaks of?