Are You *Really* Christians?

[d taylor]

So is there such a thing as a saved person who's not a Christian, or visa versa? And if so, could you prove this w/ scripture?​

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Jesus states He never knew them.

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


Read about the believers in Corinthian Church Try chapter 5 or believers conduct at the Lord's Supper 1 Corinthians 11

 

[Ben Leevey]

Is anyone in Scripture stated clearly to be a saved person
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That phrase, I can't say so. We do have clear indicators that people can know they are saved by their lives:

We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brothers. Whoever does not love abides in death. 1 John 3:14

I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life. 1 John 5:13

 

[Ben Leevey]

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Jesus states He never knew them.

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


Read about the believers in Corinthian Church Try chapter 5 or believers conduct at the Lord's Supper 1 Corinthians 11

Amen! Someone can be moral and be as lost as can be. If that's what you're saying I totally agree. But someone cannot follow Chrsit and be saved, I'd say. Because following Christ necessitate walking in His footsteps. Christ was constantly looking to His father in faith. Christ did what he did for the glory of His Father.

Someone can certainly outwardly conform in many ways! But a genuine following... I'm not sure if I'd would agree.

 

[Ben Leevey]

Oh wait, I just saw you're a teenager. You haven't even gotten started ye

As far as age goes, please, if what I say is scriptural, do not discount it because of my age. Just to clarify, I did put the video together. I put them together every day from this site: Grace Gems!

 

[d taylor]

Amen! Someone can be moral and be as lost as can be. If that's what you're saying I totally agree. But someone cannot follow Chrsit and be saved, I'd say. Because following Christ necessitate walking in His footsteps. Christ was constantly looking to His father in faith. Christ did what he did for the glory of His Father.

Someone can certainly outwardly conform in many ways! But a genuine following... I'm not sure if I'd would agree.

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Well what i am saying is a person can not be judged on have they believed in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life salvation. By how they are living their life.

Again the deacon in the church who is at the church every time the doors are open, who also sings in the choir, etc..

If this person has never believed in Jesus for Eternal Life they are not a born again believer. Belief must precede actions, if not. If a person just has actions following Christ, they remain an unbeliever.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Just to clarify, I did put the video together.

Let me ask you then, from 1:37 to 2:01 you have a woman praying with a rosary. It didn't seem that the images were synchronized with the words in the video in that period of time. What point were you trying to make at that point in the video?

 

[Ben Leevey]

Let me ask you then, from 1:37 to 2:01 you have a woman praying with a rosary. It didn't seem that the images were synchronized with the words in the video in that period of time. What point were you trying to make at that point in the video?

Friend, this video was made with a protestant mindset. I would believe (no offense intended) that according to the Bible, what the catholic church believes is dead, false religion. So I'm trying to display the fact that the cross has been emptied of it's power, and has been reduced to a "nice" symbol.

 

[Aaron112]

2:02 ...... conformity to this evil world..... serious ! Followers of Jesus do not conform , or are not supposed to conform, to today's world.

In light of this video, how would you answer the question in the title of this post?

 

[Ben Leevey]

2:02 ...... conformity to this evil world..... serious ! Followers of Jesus do not conform , or are not supposed to conform, to today's world.

Amen! A breath of fresh air!

 

[d taylor]

Are you speaking of His Holy Spirit who dwells in the believer through regeneration? This is the born again believer. The flesh can not follow Jesus Christ of Nazareth . It is through His Holy Spirit's indwelling that keeps one on the narrow road. Love prevails in one's life through selflessness.

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No i am talking about people who are active in a church, but who has never believed in Jesus for Eternal Life salvation.

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[chevyontheriver]

Friend, this video was made with a protestant mindset.

That's for sure.

I would believe (no offense intended) that according to the Bible, what the catholic church believes is dead, false religion.

You are a Baptist after all, so your beliefs are not at all a surprise. I don't expect you to be able to think otherwise.

So I'm trying to display the fact that the cross has been emptied of it's power, and has been reduced to a "nice" symbol.

And the one place where someone is obviously praying you make that into a 'nice symbol' of religion emptied of power? Think about something which could have been more relevant to your case: Pop icon Madonna decked out with a few rosaries as fashion statements. THAT is a symbol of the cross emptied of power because it's been turned into a fashion statement. People who actually pray the rosary know that God is alive and that He hears them, and loudly because the mother of Jesus is making their prayers her own. I don't expect you could agree with that, so I'll just offer that it could have been far more meaningful to show a devoid Madonna fashion statement and maybe some outlandish cross tattoo while you are at it. Thirty-four seconds of someone praying with a rosary seems almost a counter-example to your narrative.

 

[Ben Leevey]

That's for sure.

You are a Baptist after all, so your beliefs are not at all a surprise. I don't expect you to be able to think otherwise.

And the one place where someone is obviously praying you make that into a 'nice symbol' of religion emptied of power? Think about something which could have been more relevant to your case: Pop icon Madonna decked out with a few rosaries as fashion statements. THAT is a symbol of the cross emptied of power because it's been turned into a fashion statement. People who actually pray the rosary know that God is alive and that He hears them, and loudly because the mother of Jesus is making their prayers her own. I don't expect you could agree with that, so I'll just offer that it could have been far more meaningful to show a devoid Madonna fashion statement and maybe some outlandish cross tattoo while you are at it. Thirty-four seconds of someone praying with a rosary seems almost a counter-example to your narrative.

Friend, I did not make this video to go against you. I believe praying with the idea Mary is interceding for you is not genuine prayer at all, and I don't believe that anyone who truly believes Catholic doctrine can have put their faith in Christ.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

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No i am talking about people who are active in a church, but who has never believed in Jesus for Eternal Life salvation.

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Oh yes. They are actually not Christians.
Thanks for engaging!

 

[Aaron112]

"The wolf never eats corpses, neither of animals nor of people; it spends its entire life with one partner, it does not mate with its mother or sister; it is a monogamous animal, it does not cheat. If a partner dies, the wolf remains alone; it knows its young well: it is the only animal that helps its parents after a deep old age and brings them food.

When you kill a wolf, it looks you in the eyes until its soul leaves it; it is 25% smarter than the dog and it is the only animal that does not obey training, they say. Wolves think, dream, make plans, communicate with each other intelligently and are more like us than any other living being"

 

[Ben Leevey]

"The wolf never eats corpses, neither of animals nor of people; it spends its entire life with one partner, it does not mate with its mother or sister; it is a monogamous animal, it does not cheat. If a partner dies, the wolf remains alone; it knows its young well: it is the only animal that helps its parents after a deep old age and brings them food.

When you kill a wolf, it looks you in the eyes until its soul leaves it; it is 25% smarter than the dog and it is the only animal that does not obey training, they say. Wolves think, dream, make plans, communicate with each other intelligently and are more like us than any other living being"

I don't follow.

 

[d taylor]

Oh yes. They are actually not Christians.
Thanks for engaging!

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Just one more example, even a pastor who has preached for 40 years. If this pastor has never believed in Jesus for Eternal Life., he remains an unbeliever.

 

[Aaron112]

I don't follow.

Just happened to read it/see it/ a few moments before and didn't want to lose track of it.
I am not positive if it is right about wolves not eating corpses.
It is purely circumstantial any relation to religions of the world.

 

[Aaron112]

So is there such a thing as a saved person who's not a Christian, or visa versa? And if so, could you prove this w/ scripture?

For comparison , before / after ,
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It wasn’t so long ago that we ourselves were stupid and stubborn, easy marks for sin, ordered every which way by our glands, going around with a chip on our shoulder, hated and hating back. But when God, our kind and loving Savior God, stepped in, he saved us from all that. It was all his doing; we had nothing to do with it. He gave us a good bath, and we came out of it new people, washed inside and out by the Holy Spirit. Our Savior Jesus poured out new life so generously. God’s gift has restored our relationship with him and given us back our lives. And there’s more life to come—an eternity of life! You can count on this. I want you to put your foot down. Take a firm stand on these matters so that those who have put their trust in God will concentrate on the essentials that are good for everyone. Stay away from mindless, pointless quarreling over genealogies and fine print in the law code. That gets you nowhere. Warn a quarrelsome person once or twice, but then be done with him. It’s obvious that such a person is out of line, rebellious against God. By persisting in divisiveness he cuts himself off.

 

[ozso]

I already explained the house to you. It is not at all presumptuous by British standards. And as far as three stories go, in England (understandably) they build up.

You mean pretentious?

As far as my own house, no. It's not fancy. It functions. No trim around most of the wall, a few cracks in the windows. But it keeps us warm, and makes it so we can function. Now would it be wrong to have trim, and windows that aren't cracked? By no means! But chasing this American dream, spending our lives seeking it, is dead wrong.

It's actually your parent's house, right?

Our worldly amusements are also a serious issue that are eating the professed church from the inside out. Holiness, and self denial is becoming all but unknown.

Becoming? Horatius Bonar wrote about it around a 150 years ago.

 

[ozso]

The truth that the Church in Bonar's day, and the church, quite clearly from what Bonar said, in our day, is worldly.

Our whole world view is no longer Christ centered. No longer prepared to do anything, including die, for the sake of Christ. I can't help thinking, if the government suddenly started killing people if they didn't switch to believing Islam, that the population would quickly become mostly Muslim here in the USA.

You mean the Christian population?

Many people are no longer rooted in Christ, and the "self denial" for Christ "of the New Testament" days seems to have all but disappeared. Mothers pursue careers and leave the children to be taught damning lies by the world. It is akin to child sacrifice, but instead of sacrificing the body, you sacrifice the eternal soul! It is a great tragedy.

People in general or Christians?

The beauties of Christ are drowned by our media. By our wicked music the glorifies things God says He hates, and by our televisions, spewing vile debauchery into our homes non-stop. Personal communion with Christ is almost a completely foreign concept to many.
I'm not speaking of cults. I'm not even speaking of Catholics, some of whom have never heard that the Bible exists. I am speaking of Baptists, Presbyterians, Anglicans, Lutherans, &c.

Does that answer your question?

Yes, you're talking about carnal Christianity and advocating for all Christians to live an austere Puritan lifestyle. Because that's *real* Christianity.