Oldest rock in the world 2 days after creation (embedded age)

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I have to agree they are just spinning their wheels with that natural only wind.

And the evidence for supernatural wind that can be studied scientifically is...?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Do you even know where their proper places are?

If not, then that's probably why you think that.

You don't know either.

 

[AV1611VET]

You don't know either.

My great nephew can tell a scientist he's out of place.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

My great nephew can tell a scientist he's out of place.

Yet neither he nor you nor anyone is entitled or in the position to say whether anyone is out of place or not. That's God's domain and God's domain alone to do so.

 

[truthpls]

Once again you're very good at putting words into my mouth. And your hatred of scientists is embarrassing to see, no lie.

Don't project. The hatred of naturalonlydunnit toward God's creation is embarrassing to the human race. Rational people hate lies and that does not mean 'hatred of scientists' Just like a hatred of sin does not mean hating children who were mutilated by science in sex change operations.

Again: science does not deal with talking about God or gods.

It deals in obsessing only on the natural and giving credit for our existence only to the natural. It does not have the jam to come out of the closet and openly talk about God and their hatred of Him and His creation.

Science only deals with the natural world because there is no way for science to study the supernatural.

We get it. So if a milkman only deals in milk does that mean he can claim the milky way was created by a split milk truck splashing up to the sky? No. People with limited knowledge and range and ability need to stay within their limits and authority. The natural only believers have no more authority than that milkman.

If you can think of a way for anyone to study the supernatural using any scientific discipline, you're welcome to state it.

You posed a self defeating question. Kind of like saying, 'I am happy to commute 40 miles to work each day, but it has to be riding a log from the beach' Scientific disciplines are only natural. They can't commute to God;'s creation. They can't study spirits or miracles. They need to stick to their little range of ability and not pretend they are little gods knowing where the world and man came from

To me, it sounds like you worship the Bible more than you worship God...

Honouring what He demanded we honour is honouring Him. The reverse is true as well. Dishonouring what He demanded we honour is dishonouring Him

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Don't project. The hatred of naturalonlydunnit toward God's creation is embarrassing to the human race. Rational people hate lies and that does not mean 'hatred of scientists' Just like a hatred of sin does not mean hating children who were mutilated by science in sex change operations.

The only one projecting here is you, and you are doing it so well you must have worked at a cinema.

It deals in obsessing only on the natural and giving credit for our existence only to the natural. It does not have the jam to come out of the closet and openly talk about God and their hatred of Him and His creation.

Again: projecting. But if you think that science can study the supernatural, then you're willing to tell us how.

We get it. So if a milkman only deals in milk does that mean he can claim the milky way was created by a split milk truck splashing up to the sky? No. People with limited knowledge and range and ability need to stay within their limits and authority. The natural only believers have no more authority than that milkman.

Again: projecting.

You posed a self defeating question. Kind of like saying, 'I am happy to commute 40 miles to work each day, but it has to be riding a log from the beach' Scientific disciplines are only natural. They can't commute to God;'s creation. They can't study spirits or miracles. They need to stick to their little range of ability and not pretend they are little gods knowing where the world and man came from

So you admit that science can't study the supernatural, only the natural. So why are you getting your panties in a twist.

Honouring what He demanded we honour is honouring Him. The reverse is true as well. Dishonouring what He demanded we honour is dishonouring Him

Except that nowhere does God say that man is forbidden from studying the natural world. And you also make God seem so powerless if you feel that man studying nature and the natural world is a threat to him.

Or is more of a threat to your specific way of worship perhaps? Ruminate on that.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yet neither he nor you nor anyone is entitled or in the position to say whether anyone is out of place or not.

Au contraire.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

That's God's domain ...

Sure is.

And who did He give it to?

... and God's domain alone to do so.

Au contraire.

 

[dlamberth]

I have to agree they are just spinning their wheels with that natural only wind.

There's what the Earth is actually showing us about itSelf and than there's woo-woo. Embedded age is woo-woo.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Au contraire.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Timothy 3:15 - 17
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Whenever you quote the Bible, I always make it a point to find the verses before and after the ones you quote to make sure what you say fits. Because so very often... it never does.

Sure is.

And who did He give it to?

He gave the world to us, but to judge who goes in their right place is not a role given to us.

Au contraire.

Again: God did not give man jurisdiction on who to judge who is or is not in their right place.

Did Jesus not say: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?

 

[AV1611VET]

There's what the Earth is actually showing us about itSelf ...

She looks mad to me.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

She looks mad to me.

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Yet such things are also called 'acts of God'...

 

[AV1611VET]

Yet such things are also called 'acts of God'...

Like these?

30 October 1991: The Halloween Monster, a.k.a. The Perfect Storm, strikes the U.S. amid the "land-for-peace" Madrid peace talks; President Bush's ocean-side home destroyed.

23 August 1992: President Bush moves Madrid talks to U.S. soil; that very day, Hurricane Andrew devastates southern Florida.

16 January 1994: President Clinton meets with Syrian President Hafez Assad to discuss more "land for peace" arrangements; less than 24 hours later, a 6.9 earthquake pulverized southern California.

1 September 1993: President Clinton announces a meeting with Arafat for the Oslo peace accords, to be held on 13 September; after a week of meandering in the Atlantic Ocean, Hurricane Emily hits North Carolina on that very day.

21 January 1998: while waiting to meet with Arafat at the White House, President Clinton's sex scandal breaks out.

27 September 1998: Arafat is meeting with the president in Washington; Hurricane Georges hits Alabama and stalls. The hurricane stalls until Arafat leaves and then it dissipates. Parts of Alabama declared a disaster area.

17 October 1998: Arafat comes to the Wye Plantation meeting; incredible rains fall on Texas, which cause record flooding. Parts of Texas declared a disaster area.

3 September 1999: Secretary of State Albright meets with Arafat in Israel; Hurricane Dennis comes ashore on this very day after weeks of changing course in the Atlantic Ocean.

12-26 July 2000: Arafat at the Camp David meetings. Powerful droughts throughout the country. Forest fires explode in West into uncontrollable fires. By the end of August, 7 million acres are burnt.

9 November 2000, two days after the presidential election: Arafat meets with President Clinton at the White House to try and salvage the peace process; worst election crisis in over 100 years occurs.

Psalm 83:15 So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Like these?

30 October 1991: The Halloween Monster, a.k.a. The Perfect Storm, strikes the U.S. amid the "land-for-peace" Madrid peace talks; President Bush's ocean-side home destroyed.

23 August 1992: President Bush moves Madrid talks to U.S. soil; that very day, Hurricane Andrew devastates southern Florida.

16 January 1994: President Clinton meets with Syrian President Hafez Assad to discuss more "land for peace" arrangements; less than 24 hours later, a 6.9 earthquake pulverized southern California.

1 September 1993: President Clinton announces a meeting with Arafat for the Oslo peace accords, to be held on 13 September; after a week of meandering in the Atlantic Ocean, Hurricane Emily hits North Carolina on that very day.

21 January 1998: while waiting to meet with Arafat at the White House, President Clinton's sex scandal breaks out.

27 September 1998: Arafat is meeting with the president in Washington; Hurricane Georges hits Alabama and stalls. The hurricane stalls until Arafat leaves and then it dissipates. Parts of Alabama declared a disaster area.

17 October 1998: Arafat comes to the Wye Plantation meeting; incredible rains fall on Texas, which cause record flooding. Parts of Texas declared a disaster area.

3 September 1999: Secretary of State Albright meets with Arafat in Israel; Hurricane Dennis comes ashore on this very day after weeks of changing course in the Atlantic Ocean.

12-26 July 2000: Arafat at the Camp David meetings. Powerful droughts throughout the country. Forest fires explode in West into uncontrollable fires. By the end of August, 7 million acres are burnt.

9 November 2000, two days after the presidential election: Arafat meets with President Clinton at the White House to try and salvage the peace process; worst election crisis in over 100 years occurs.

Psalm 83:15 So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.

Correlation is not causation. That these events align with your political believes does not mean they are connected.

 

[truthpls]

Again: projecting. But if you think that science can study the supernatural, then you're willing to tell us how.

If it could it would not be dating a 1 day old rock as billions of years old.

So you admit that science can't study the supernatural, only the natural.

Right, which is why you are called up on the carpet.

Except that nowhere does God say that man is forbidden from studying the natural world.

I agree. We can study tea leaves as well if we like. Anyone claiming the universe and man arose out of their teacup should be taken with the same grain of salt we use for the stories of naturalonlydunnit science

And you also make God seem so powerless if you feel that man studying nature and the natural world is a threat to him.

Nothing is a thread to the Almighty. Lies could affect children here though. Even some grownups. That is why it is good to know what is what.

Or is more of a threat to your specific way of worship perhaps? Ruminate on that.

Hard to imagine why you think fairy tales would be some sort of spiritual or mental challenge to me. Try not to overrate your fantasies.
Having light shed on creation might benefit some reading this. They might challenge the naturalonly propaganda they were force fed. As for me, you can relax. We are more than victors in Christ.

 

[truthpls]

There's what the Earth is actually showing us about itSelf and than there's woo-woo. Embedded age is woo-woo.

Keep us posted on what the tea leaves are showing you. What was embedded into creation would not have been viewed as age by Adam. He was a smart guy

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

If it could it would not be dating a 1 day old rock as billions of years old.

Except that you can't show such an event taking place.

Right, which is why you are called up on the carpet.

Except that I've repeatedly said that science can't study the supernatural. You're the one who's acting like it can.

I agree. We can study tea leaves as well if we like. Anyone claiming the universe and man arose out of their teacup should be taken with the same grain of salt we use for the stories of naturalonlydunnit science

Until you show the supernatural did it, then all there is is the natural.

Nothing is a thread to the Almighty. Lies could affect children here though. Even some grownups. That is why it is good to know what is what.

Threat. But you sure as a bear poos in the woods certainly act like it is.

Hard to imagine why you think fairy tales would be some sort of spiritual or mental challenge to me. Try not to overrate your fantasies.

Well for starters, you've not once answered my question of why God would create a rock 6000 years ago with an embedded age of several billion years. I'd call that a challenge for you.

 

[Frank Robert]

That's no excuse to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

If you let us know, what the is the bathwater and what is the baby. In your opinion, of course

What's the difference?

It is your claim. If you don't have any idea of the difference between the baby and the bath water. You shouldn't expect anyone here to be able to a mind readers.

 

[BCP1928]

Once again you're very good at putting words into my mouth. And your hatred of scientists is embarrassing to see, no lie.



Again: science does not deal with talking about God or gods. Science only deals with the natural world because there is no way for science to study the supernatural. If you can think of a way for anyone to study the supernatural using any scientific discipline, you're welcome to state it.



To me, it sounds like you worship the Bible more than you worship God...

Except for the part that comes between the end of the Old Testament and Paul's letters. There's nothing there for him but proof texts for a literal Genesis.

 

[truthpls]

Except that you can't show such an event taking place.

God showed us millennia of events that prove He is true. If there are some things beyond the ability of man to know, we know we can take His word for that too. We also know we can't take your word for things you do not know about!

Except that I've repeatedly said that science can't study the supernatural. You're the one who's acting like it can.

No, I am pointing out it is stuck in the mud and can't go there. Yet it speaks as if it knows where the universe came from!

Until you show the supernatural did it, then all there is is the natural.

Until you show the natural and only the natural did it, then all there is is the natural and the supernatural. The supernatural is not subject to a stamp of approval by ignoramuses who don't so much know as whether it does or does not exist. They should be quiet and respectful to the beliefs of others.

Threat. But you sure as a bear poos in the woods certainly act like it is.

Right nothing is a threat to God. The slapping down of imaginations and high things that exalt and oppose God is a duty, not something truth lovers do because of some scary threat from fairy tale science

Well for starters, you've not once answered my question of why God would create a rock 6000 years ago with an embedded age of several billion years. I'd call that a challenge for you.

The rock was how it was meant to be. Your failure to be able to tell us why (and assigning only natural reasons for it's existence) does not make it look billions of years old to us at all. If someone ate a horribly large amount of magic mushrooms, and sat there looking at a dog, it might look like the dog is talking to them, and wearing a dress and has a two foot tongue.

Try not to blame the dog for the stoned person's visions.

 

[truthpls]

Except for the part that comes between the end of the Old Testament and Paul's letters. There's nothing there for him but proof texts for a literal Genesis.

There was something there actually. - Jesus