understanding the time frames fit in Revelation

[Douggg]

The time frames of events of Revelation that will take place here on earth are...

in the first half
1260 days Revelation 11:3, Revelation 12:6

in the second half
3 1/2 days Revelation 11:11
42 months Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5
time, times, half time Revelation 12:14

Why the different time frame expressions - and not all as simply 1260 days ? I will explain.

The difference is because of two short events that will take place.

(1) the 3 1/2 days the two witnesses bodies lay dead in the streets in Jerusalem.

(2) the undisclosed time for the war in the second heaven between Michael and his angels against Satan and his angels. It is undisclosed because only the time frames are given for events that take place here on earth.

So, we end up with two simple similar single line formulas that each total 7 years.

Remember these two formula's. It will help you in understanding the timeline of events in Revelation that will take place in the 7 years.

1260 days + 3 1/2 days + 42 months (1256 1/2 days) = 2520 days (7 years)

1260 days + the undisclosed war in the second heaven time + the time, times, half time = 2520 days (7 years)

 

[keras]

The time frames of events of Revelation that will take place here on earth are...

in the first half
1260 days Revelation 11:3, Revelation 12:6

in the second half
3 1/2 days Revelation 11:11
42 months Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5
time, times, half time Revelation 12:14

Why the different time frame expressions - and not all as simply 1260 days ? I will explain.

The difference is because of two short events that will take place.

(1) the 3 1/2 days the two witnesses bodies lay dead in the streets in Jerusalem.

(2) the undisclosed time for the war in the second heaven between Michael and his angels against Satan and his angels. It is undisclosed because only the time frames are given for events that take place here on earth.

So, we end up with two simple similar single line formulas that each total 7 years.

Remember these two formula's. It will help you in understanding the timeline of events in Revelation that will take place in the 7 years.

1260 days + 3 1/2 days + 42 months (1256 1/2 days) = 2520 days (7 years)

1260 days + the undisclosed war in the second heaven time + the time, times, half time = 2520 days (7 years)

For the record, I reject this thesis. I have refuted it may times, as it is simply speculation.

The only place in the Bible where the first half of the final 7 years, is mentioned is; Daniel 9:27 It will be a peaceful time.
All the other mentions refer to the second half. Revelation 11:3 obviously relates to Rev 11:2, when the 'beast' will conquer the holy peoples.

The two Witnesses will preach during second half, be killed after 1256.5 days, lay dead in the street for 3.5 days, then Jesus will Return and call them up to Him, along with all the Christian martyrs of the GT. Rev 20:4

 

[Douggg]

For the record, I reject this thesis. I have refuted it may times, as it is simply speculation.

The only place in the Bible where the first half of the final 7 years, is mentioned is; Daniel 9:27 It will be a peaceful time.
All the other mentions refer to the second half. Revelation 11:3 obviously relates to Rev 11:2, when the 'beast' will conquer the holy peoples.

The two Witnesses will preach during second half, be killed after 1256.5 days, lay dead in the street for 3.5 days, then Jesus will Return and call them up to Him, along with all the Christian martyrs of the GT. Rev 20:4

keras.

At the end of the great tribulation, in this kind of environment, condition, that the world will be in - you are saying that people will be making merry, celebrating, exchanging gifts over the deaths of the two witnesses. At a time when the rider, Death, of the pale horse is riding., and the earth and cities littered with dead and decaying corpses.

No, there is going to be no making merry, celebrating, exchanging gifts. There is going to be hunger, sickness, thirst going on, people just trying to survive.

 

[keras]

No, there is going to be no making merry, celebrating, exchanging gifts. There is going to be hunger, sickness, thirst going on, people just trying to survive.

There was plenty of celebration at VE and VJ days, after WW2. People celebrate when their troubles are over. No matter how bad their situation is.
Which the followers of the 'beast' will think when the 2W are dead.

Your idea there won't be joyful gift giving, after the 1256.5 days since the AoD - even if it was partially correct, does not prove when the 2Witnesses get killed.

Of course, just one thing wrong in your charts, means they are all rubbish. Do some re-charting and it would be nice to have agreement.

 

[Douggg]

kera, the two witnesses will have left the world over 3 years before the end of the 7 years.

What will be taking place at the end of the 7 years is that the followers of the beast will be preparing to make war on Jesus. That is what it in Revelation 16:14-16. Those armies will then be destroyed in Revelation 19:17-21.

There is nothing in Revelation 16, nor Revelation 19, about the two witnesses, nor about them being called up to heaven.

Your idea there won't be joyful gift giving, after the 1256.5 days since the AoD - even if it was partially correct, does not prove when the 2Witnesses get killed.

Of course, just one thing wrong in your charts, means they are all rubbish. Do some re-charting and it would be nice to have agreement.

keras, the opening post gives the time when the two witnesses are killed and leave this world. I did not even include a timeline chart in that post.

The 1260 days of the two witnesses are in the first half of the 7 years. The 1260 days are consistent with the two formula's I presented.

The second formula below is based on Revelation 12. Go to Revelation 12, while reading through the formula and you will see the fit.


1260 days + 3 1/2 days + 42 months (1256 1/2 days) = 2520 days (7 years)

1260 days + the undisclosed war in the second heaven time + the time, times, half time = 2520 days (7 years)

 

[keras]

The 1260 days of the two witnesses are in the first half of the 7 years.

Revelation 11:2-3 proves you to be wrong.
They will preach during the time the ungodly peoples, led by the 'beast', Rev 13:5-8, who will trample the holy city underfoot.

Your insistence of the two Witnesses being active in the first half of the final 7 years, is illogical and untenable, as the Christian peoples will be living in the holy Land, under the protection of the Lord. Ezekiel 34:11-16 Explain why they need to preach to Gods peoples?

Take note of the warning to those who muddy the waters.... Ezekiel 34:17-22
That is; who teach and promote false theories and beliefs.

 

[Douggg]

Your insistence of the two Witnesses being active in the first half of the final 7 years, is illogical and untenable, as the Christian peoples will be living in the holy Land, under the protection of the Lord. Ezekiel 34:11-16 Explain why they need to preach to Gods peoples?

keras, that is actually something you should be answering. (1) if the two witnesses preach in the second half of the seven years to Christians, why ? (2) and if they preaching in the new Christian nation of Beulah (of your scenario) in the first half of the seven years, why ?

The two witnesses will be prophesying against the Antichrist and preaching about Jesus to the unsaved Jews of the nation of Israel in the first half of the 7 years.

They will be telling them not to trust their newly anointed king of Israel thought-to-be messiah, the Antichrist. To be the Antichrist, the person has to be anointed the king of Israel - instead of and against the rightful king of Israel - Jesus.

Hear the words of this song.... "Born is the King of Israel". Listen to this song as you read my next post.

 

[Douggg]

keras, can't you see what is coming ? The Jews rejected Jesus as their King of Israel. And are looking for "another" to be their king of Israel. That person will be the Antichrist.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

 

[Douggg]

 

[keras]

The two witnesses will be prophesying against the Antichrist and preaching about Jesus to the unsaved Jews of the nation of Israel in the first half of the 7 years.

The unsaved Jews will all be dead. Isaiah 22:14; Jeremiah 22:6-7, Ezekiel 22:1-7, Romans 9:27

The idea of a Jewish redemption is false and will not happen.

 

[Douggg]

The unsaved Jews will all be dead. Isaiah 22:14; Jeremiah 22:6-7, Ezekiel 22:1-7, Romans 9:27

The idea of a Jewish redemption is false and will not happen.

keras, to be the Antichrist, the person must be anointed the King of Israel - instead of and against the rightful King of Israel - Jesus.

In your scenario Christian nation of Beulah - do you really think that Christians would embrace "another" anointed as their King instead of Jesus ? There is not going to be a Christian nation called Beulah created. The current nation of Israel is who will for a while think that the Antichrist is their long awaited King of Israel messiah.

The turning of the Jews en-masse to Jesus is in Revelation 12:10. It will be after the 1260 days of the two witnesses feeding the nation of Israel the Word of God in Revelation 12:6.

The "they" in Revelation 12:6 is referring to the two witnesses.

Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

 

[keras]

keras, to be the Antichrist, the person must be anointed the King of Israel - instead of and against the rightful King of Israel - Jesus.

In your scenario Christian nation of Beulah - do you really think that Christians would embrace "another" anointed as their King instead of Jesus ? There is not going to be a Christian nation called Beulah created. The current nation of Israel is who will for a while think that the Antichrist is their long awaited King of Israel messiah.

The turning of the Jews en-masse to Jesus is in Revelation 12:10. It will be after the 1260 days of the two witnesses feeding the nation of Israel the Word of God in Revelation 12:6.

The "they" in Revelation 12:6 is referring to the two witnesses.

Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Why can you not see the Prophesies which describe the virtual demise of Jewish Israel?
God has given them 2000 years to repent and accept Jesus. They refuse. What else can God do? He will destroy them and only a remnant, who are Christians now, will survive. Jeremiah 19:10-15

The citizens of the new nation of Beulah, will choose for themselves a leader, Hosea 1:11, Jeremiah 30:21 A President, not an all powerful King.
Your unscriptural idea of a King of Israel, a false Messiah, will not happen. The leader of the One World Govt, will demand worship of him, on pain of death. Rev 13

You are like many others who have wrong ideas about Gods plans for His people. You see things that are just not there, Revelation 12:6, for instance; does not refer to the Jews at all. Or the two Witnesses.

 

[Douggg]

Why can you not see the Prophesies which describe the virtual demise of Jewish Israel?

1948 Israel a nation again back in the land of Israel.

Jerusalem back in the hands of the Jews, 1967, the basis for the parable of the fig tree generation.

The Jews desire that a third temple be built on the Temple Mount. Where animals sacrifices (Christian don't do) will resume - to be stopped by the Antichrist when he commits the transgression of desolation act revealing himself as the man of sin.

The Jews looking for their King of Israel messiah - who will turn out to be the Antichrist.

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The nation of Israel is in place, Jerusalem is its capital, the muslims desire to wipe Israel off the face of the map - Gog/Magog soon to happen.

None of those things spell a new Christian nation called Beulah replacing the current nation of Israel.

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The Revelation 13 worship of the beast-king (Stage 5) is after his period of being the Antichrist (Stage 3).

 

[keras]

None of those things spell a new Christian nation called Beulah replacing the current nation of Israel.

The unsaved Jews will all be dead. Isaiah 22:14; Jeremiah 22:6-7, Ezekiel 22:1-7, Romans 9:27

While you ignore the many Prophesies which clearly say how the Jews will be Judged and punished, then anything you say or whatever charts you post, will be seen by all as just fanciful dreams of the deluded and deceived. .