the three woes

[Douggg]

@tailgator

Who is the star falling from heaven in Revelation 9:1 given the key to the bottom pit - falling to earth BEFORE - the flesh tormented locust are released ?

It is Satan cast down to earth, beginning the time, times, half time of the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth.

The first and second woes fit within that time, times, half time.

 

[tailgator]

Revelation 11:15 does not say that Christ had come. It is saying that the end of nearly 6000 years time of Satan and his angels deception of the nations has arrived. That is why Satan has great wrath because he knows that when cast down to earth the time of his end has arrived.

During the time, times, half time of his wrath to the inhabiters of the earth - Satan will be a terror, Ezekiel 28:19 below.


Ezekiel 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.



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Since you say Christ does not come and raise the dead in revelation 11,then who do you preach raises the dead in revelation. 11:18 ?

the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints,​

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[tailgator]

No, I am asking you....why doesn't Revelation 11:15-18 follow directly after Revelation 9:21 as being part of the Revelation 9 verses?

Scripture does not say it doesn't.
You are the only one saying it doesn't.

 

[tailgator]

@tailgator

Who is the star falling from heaven in Revelation 9:1 given the key to the bottom pit - falling to earth BEFORE - the flesh tormented locust are released ?

It is Satan cast down to earth, beginning the time, times, half time of the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth.

The first and second woes fit within that time, times, half time.

Revelation 9

10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.



They only have power for five months
Not 1260 days like the two witnesses do.

 

[Douggg]

Since you say Christ does not come and raise the dead in revelation 11,then who do you preach raises the dead in revelation. 11:18 ?

I did not say that Jesus does not raise the dead.

There is the resurrection/rapture event before ToD act of 2Thessalonians2:4. Anytime between and then.

Then at the end of the 7 years, at Jesus's return, He resurrects the great tribulation martyrs in Revelation 20:4-6.

 

[Douggg]

Scripture does not say it doesn't.
You are the only one saying it doesn't.

The text of Revelation 9 ends in Revelation 9:21.

I am asking you...

Why isn't Revelation 9 written as......

Revelation 9:

21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

22 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

23 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

24 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

25 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

26 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

27 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

 

[Douggg]

Revelation 9

10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.



They only have power for five months
Not 1260 days like the two witnesses do.

You did not answer the question.

Who is the star falling from heaven in Revelation 9:1 given the key to the bottom pit - falling to earth BEFORE - the flesh tormented locust are released ?

 

[tailgator]

The text of Revelation 9 ends in Revelation 9:21.

I am asking you...

Why isn't Revelation 9 written as......

Revelation 9:

21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

22 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

23 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

24 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

25 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

26 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

It may be written the way it is so that people like yourself will not understand it.

 

[tailgator]

I did not say that Jesus does not raise the dead.

There is the resurrection/rapture event before ToD act of 2Thessalonians2:4. Anytime between and then.

Then at the end of the 7 years, at Jesus's return, He resurrects the great tribulation martyrs in Revelation 20:4-6.

You said Jesus does not come in revelation 11.

So I'm asking you,who is it that raises the dead in revelation 11 when the kingdoms of this world become Christs?



Revelation 11

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[tailgator]

You did not answer the question.

Who is the star falling from heaven in Revelation 9:1 given the key to the bottom pit - falling to earth BEFORE - the flesh tormented locust are released ?

It's not the devil.

 

[Douggg]

You said Jesus does not come in revelation 11.

So I'm asking you,who is it that raises the dead in revelation 11 when the kingdoms of this world become Christs?

In the days (the time, times, half time of the second half of the seven years) of the seventh angel sounding ....

God wrath will be poured out, The vials of God's wrath.
the dead in Christ judged and rewarded. As the bema seat of Christ takes place in heaven, while on earth...
the destruction of them which destroy the earth take place.

All to take place during time, times, half time of the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth.

 

[Douggg]

It's not the devil.

Then who ?

Revelaton 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

 

[Douggg]

It may be written the way it is so that people like yourself will not understand it.

No, it written the way it is in Revelation 11, not as a continuation of Revelation 9, because the third woe has a time duration of a time, times, half time - which the first and second woe fit within.

 

[tailgator]

In the days (the time, times, half time of the second half of the seven years) of the seventh angel sounding ....

God wrath will be poured out, The vials of God's wrath.
the dead in Christ judged and rewarded. As the bema seat of Christ takes place in heaven, while on earth...
the destruction of them which destroy the earth take place.

All to take place during time, times, half time of the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth.

False
It only takes the blink of an eye for the dead to be raised.
It also would not take God 3.5 years to destroy them who destroy the earth.

 

[Douggg]

False
It only takes the blink of an eye for the dead to be raised.
It also would not take God 3.5 years to destroy them who destroy the earth.

Where do you see the word "raised" in Revelation 11:18 ?

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

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God will destroy them who are destroying the earth over the course of the seven vials of God's wrath.

 

[tailgator]

No, it written the way it is in Revelation 11, not as a continuation of Revelation 9, because the third woe has a time duration of a time, times, half time - which the first and second woe fit within.

That would be incorrect.Revelation 11 is very clear.

Revelation 11
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.


There is no time,times and a half in revelation 9 or 11.The second woe is right there in revelation 11.

Where do you see the word "raised" in Revelation 11:18 ?

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

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God will destroy them who are destroying the earth over the course of the seven vials of God's wrath.

I see two dead witnesses raised from the dead and stand on their feet then ascend into heaven in a cloud.

Or do you insist no one will raise in revelation 11?

 

[tailgator]

Where do you see the word "raised" in Revelation 11:18 ?

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

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God will destroy them who are destroying the earth over the course of the seven vials of God's wrath.

The dead are raised before they are rewarded.
Prophets and saints who have died .The Dead in revelation 11:18.


It's like the two witnesses who were killed during the second woe .They are raised from the dead.

 

[Douggg]

I see two dead witnesses raised from the dead and stand on their feet then ascend into heaven in a cloud.

Or do you insist no one will raise in revelation 11?

The two witnesses come back to life (their bodies unburied) and ascend to heaven - will be before the seventh angel sounds his trumpet.

It's like the two witnesses who were killed during the second woe .They are raised from the dead.

The second woe, what it will be is back in Revelation 9:13-21.

 

[Timtofly]

So you believe the wrath of God in this verse is not the wrath of God .

Revelation 11
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

In revelation 11:18 above,who's wrath is come?

You are changing the subject......

The wrath of God is the wrath of God, why do you ask?

That wrath is not the woe. How was the wrath of God considered a woe in the first 2 woes mentioned. Should you not be consistent and call all 3 woes the wrath of God?

Just humans living in mortal bodies is the wrath of God. God is preventing us from being sons of God, naturally born on the earth. That wrath was passed down from Adam and Eve. We are the ones destroying the earth, living in disobedience and death from birth.

Revelation 13, the whole chapter is the third woe.

God's wrath is great and not a woe at all. Instant death in the LOF, no more worries about living in disobedience on God's green earth.

 

[tailgator]

You are changing the subject......

The wrath of God is the wrath of God, why do you ask?

That wrath is not the woe. How was the wrath of God considered a woe in the first 2 woes mentioned. Should you not be consistent and call all 3 woes the wrath of God?

JJust humans l8ving in mortal bodies is the wrath of God. God is preventing us from being sons of God, naturally born on the earth. That wrath was passed down from Adam and Eve. We are the ones destroying the earth, living in disobedience and death from birth.

Revelation 13, the whole chapter is the third woe.

God's wrath is great and not a woe at all. Instant death in the LOF, no more worries about living in disobedience on God's green earth.

You sound delusional

But if you seriously want to be cast into a lake of fire so you will have no more worries then you are probably well on your way there.