Geocentric or Heliocentric (what shape is the earth) ?

[Apple Sky]

And right right, they are created "to give light on the earth" but God says they are also a time piece marking times and events, a calendar.

Exactly, this is so true.

King James Bible
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

 

[Apple Sky]

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I have photographed the moon many times, but have never seen stars shinning through it. I have though photographed light being emitted from under the surface of the moon through these little and even larger surface impressions.

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And if you pay attention you can see the moons lunar wave.

 

[Zceptre]

That's some serious investigative work there on the Moon. The gentleman that seen the stars through its shaded portion is in my archives. (I hope lol - been awhile) Maybe in the future can find it or his work online again. He has a name in the space and is known.


My personal favorite supporting information is from the Bible itself.

This stuff is my real joy in it all.

Psalm 102:25
Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Isaiah 48:13
Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

Zechariah 12:1
The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

Micah 6:2
Hear ye, O mountains, the LORD'S controversy, and ye strong foundations of the earth: for the LORD hath a controversy with his people, and he will plead with Israel.

Job 38:4
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Isaiah 51:13
And forgettest the LORD thy maker, that hath stretched forth the heavens, and laid the foundations of the earth; and hast feared continually every day because of the fury of the oppressor, as if he were ready to destroy? and where is the fury of the oppressor?

Proverbs 8:29
When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:


This is where I get my satisfaction and lay back in my chair with a smile on my face and say to myself...

"Yep... Lord Jesus knows what He is doing."

And people call faith in God blind faith. They have no idea the information He would give them if they seek. lol (Matthew 7:7)

People have a right to believe anything they like, but this isn't even all of the scripture concerning it.

Up is up, and down is down, and when you know you are on solid ground, pun intended... It just feels good.

 

[Apple Sky]

And people call faith in God blind faith. They have no idea the information He would give them if they seek. lol (Matthew 7:7)

I thank Jesus every day for opening my eyes and pray daily for more revelations. This is so true 'seek and you shall find.'

 

[Strong in Him]

I thank Jesus every day for opening my eyes and pray daily for more revelations. This is so true 'seek and you shall find.'

Seek GOD and you will find - not the shape of the earth, which is unimportant.

 

[Aaron112]

I want to restate my question because I do not feel it was adequately answered with a "its all a hoax" response; that just doesn't cut it for me, sorry.

Einstein and the other known top ten or twelve mathematicians proved successfully what you are asking about. They showed clearly without ambiguity that there is no reason known that the earth could not be, as it is, stationary. Yes, as YHVH Says Several times in His Word, for those who look.

 

[Aaron112]

Reality is a real adventure when you dig into it and find it unlike you were always told.

Not only were always told, but are always told today, (told by who? faulty sources)

God is Right and True and Unerring.

 

[Apple Sky]

Seek GOD and you will find - not the shape of the earth, which is unimportant.

I have found God & the revelations he has presented to me are truly amazing.

 

[Strong in Him]

I have found God & the revelations he has presented to me are truly amazing.

Ditto.
And they have nothing at all to do with the shape of the earth.

The shape of the earth doesn't save - Jesus does.
The shape of the earth won't help us in our daily lives - God's word will.
The shape of the earth won't change us into Jesus' likeness, confirm that we are children of God or give us gifts - the Holy Spirit does that.
The devil won't be overcome by shouting the shape of the earth at him, but by standing firm, putting on the armour of God and quoting Scripture to him.

Put simply, in your own words, it's not important.

 

[Phil G]

I have found God & the revelations he has presented to me are truly amazing.

Well here's guy who is not a Freemason. His name is Barry Wilmore and he's an elder of Providence Baptist Church in Pasadena, Texas. He's also a NASA astronaut. And he is currently on the International Space Station where he has had to extend his stay. Linked below is his testimony posted on YouTube in 2019. I prefer eyewitness testimony from Christians than conspiracy theories.

 

[Apple Sky]

Well here's guy who is not a Freemason. His name is Barry Wilmore and he's an elder of Providence Baptist Church in Pasadena, Texas. He's also a NASA astronaut. And he is currently on the International Space Station where he has had to extend his stay. Linked below is his testimony posted on YouTube in 2019. I prefer eyewitness testimony from Christians than conspiracy theories.

His testimony is amazing but they are still only 250 miles up.

 

[AveChristusRex]

I have photographed the moon many times, but have never seen stars shinning through it. I have though photographed light being emitted from under the surface of the moon through these little and even larger surface impressions.​

absolutely, but it [in my view] does not entail that the sun and moon are the same size, but it does provide its own light as the Scriptures tell us

 

[Phil G]

His testimony is amazing but they are still only 250 miles up.

Yes, but he is orbiting the earth on the space station, neither of which agree with your denials of a globe earth with orbiting satellites.

 

[AveChristusRex]

Im unsure if anyone has posted this yet, but while I do not support most of what Sungenis says, I think his Geocentric books are extremely useful and this interview is a good look into the matters of geocentrism in the Church.

 

[Apple Sky]

Yes, but he is orbiting the earth on the space station, neither of which agree with your denials of a globe earth with orbiting satellites.

If you say so.

 

[Phil G]

If you say so.

It's not if I say so. It's his personal testimony as a Christian, a church elder, and a NASA astronaut. What I say is irrelevant because it is his testimony. And he is on the ISS right now. Here's an account of him providing pastoral care from the ISS.

When the Elder Calls—From Outer Space - Christianity Today

Two sick church members in their 90s got a pastoral “visit” from a friend—an astronaut stuck on the International Space Station.

www.christianitytoday.com

 

[Phil G]

Im unsure if anyone has posted this yet, but while I do not support most of what Sungenis says, I think his Geocentric books are extremely useful and this interview is a good look into the matters of geocentrism in the Church.

Interesting video. Truthfully, I have much less of an issue with Geocentrism than flat earth or a non-rotating globe earth. I'm far from being sold on it, but I can see some logic to it.

 

[Apple Sky]

It's not if I say so. It's his personal testimony as a Christian, a church elder, and a NASA astronaut. What I say is irrelevant because it is his testimony. And he is on the ISS right now. Here's an account of him providing pastoral care from the ISS.

When the Elder Calls—From Outer Space - Christianity Today

Two sick church members in their 90s got a pastoral “visit” from a friend—an astronaut stuck on the International Space Station.

www.christianitytoday.com

OK I'm convinced that the ISS orbits the earth only because I don't think a Christian would lie about this & the fact that they are only 250 miles up but you'll never convince me that they have walked on the moon, Christian or non Christian.

 

[Phil G]

OK I'm convinced that the ISS orbits the earth only because I don't think a Christian would lie about this & the fact that they are only 250 miles up but you'll never convince me that they have walked on the moon, Christian or non Christian.

But now you're changing your stance on the ISS. And by doing so, you've not only acknowledged that the ISS is a real space station, but also effectively acknowledged the earth as a globe as that is the only way something can "orbit" it. And what is seen from the ISS is a globe earth.

If you read the article of Barry Wilmore's pastoral care from the ISS, you may have noticed that there was another member of his church on the ISS, Tracy Dyson, who returned from the ISS in September this year. She is obviously a Christian and again, not a Freemason, and she gave a talk on a previous stint she did on ISS, and at the link below shows the curve of the earth.

 

[Zceptre]

Seek GOD and you will find - not the shape of the earth, which is unimportant.

While I don't want to undermine your sentiments of seeking God first, since I love that heart cry, I will have to say I feel a strong urge in my spirit to defend these who seek the "truth" concerning their world.

If Lord Jesus is "...the way, the truth, and the life: ..." --- The truth concerning our world does indeed matter as God does not approve of lies and is not the father of them.
John 14:6
John 8:44

I know of a great, great number of people who have come to faith and believing in Lord Jesus through seeing their world clearly.

...And many who are still arriving on that very boat of truth pertaining to the place in which we live.

This is absolutely at the top of God's list of heart priorities. Seeking and saving all who would is His idea and will, not ours.
Luke 19:10
1 Timothy 2:3-4

God's children have a right to know where they live and a right to have lies exposed if they have been told them.

I don't think it a subject that division and strife should be caused over it.
2 Timothy 2:14

I've been on this journey for over twenty years. I don't expect anyone to understand the importance of this right off.

But I certainly would hope God's people would come around to agreement that the truth should be told about all subjects.

With that said............

This is not, in and of itself, a salvation issue and many people never even consider these things and maybe God didn't intend for them to.

But to flip that coin over, there are children of God, and people and soldiers revealing truth in every aspect of this world.

The Lord Jesus Christ Almighty owns every square inch of it, and I am not called by The Lord to judge His servants in their calling and specialties.
Romans 14:4
(admittedly some callings and specialties are more odd lol - there are deeper topics than these)

The shape of the earth may mean nothing to you. But to other people in the world God uses these truths to bring salvation to them and often their entire house-holds or friend-groups.

God never has fit very well in the boxes we sometimes as limited creatures unintentionally try to put Him into.