Geocentric or Heliocentric (what shape is the earth) ?

[Apple Sky]

My friends @Jipsah @prodromos and I have repeatedly tried to explain this to you. But failing this, I am willing to take you and your husband as my guests on a trip to certain places in the UK or in Europe and the Mediterranean from which I believe you would be able to see what I have seen. For I have beheld the curvature of the Earth with my own eyes.

Thanks kindly for your offer but My husband & I are just not fit enough to travel, as for seeing the curvature you should have taken a picture

 

[Apple Sky]

I want to restate my question because I do not feel it was adequately answered with a "its all a hoax" response; that just doesn't cut it for me, sorry.

I never answered your question & I certainly wouldn't have answered it by saying 'it's all a hoax.'

 

[Job 33:6]

If not a solid dome what about the dangerous Van Allan belts ?

NASA engineer admits they can’t get passed the Van Allen Belts​

Sure. Well the thing is, it was a relatively common, if not universal view among ancient peoples. For example, some ancient cultures had stories describing shooting arrows up at it, or using a ladder to climb up to it. And if you made it to the other side, you would find heaven, or reach heaven in some sense.

It was described more as something like the sky immediately above us. Far enough in the sky that you couldn't reach it, but close enough that perhaps if you could climb a mountain, you might reach close enough to experience it. Kind of like Moses in Exodus. He climbs my sanai, and it says that Moses then saw God, and under God's feet were a payment of sapphire stone. Like lapiz lazuli, for bluish heavenly clearness.

So it wasn't really like a scientific thing, it was more like an ancient cosmological perspective based on how people viewers the sky a very long time ago, before there were space ships and things like that.

Another good way to think of it is, what is described in Genesis chapter 1 in the sky? Well, the "waters above". And when you go outside on a clear sunny day, and you look up at the sky, what do you see? It almost looks like an ocean. A heavenly ocean above, but it is brilliant and beautiful. And God's hand, much like in the Exodus passing of the red sea, God holds that water back.

He made strong the skies above, When the springs of the deep became fixed, When He set for the sea its boundary So that the water would not transgress His command, When He marked out the foundations of the earth;
Proverbs 8:28-‬29

you set the beams of your chambers on the waters, you make the clouds your chariot, you ride on the wings of the wind,
Psalms 104:3

The Lord sits enthroned over the flood; the Lord sits enthroned as king forever.
Psalms 29:10

Praise him, highest heavens, and waters above the heavens. Let them praise the name of Yahweh, because he commanded and they were created. And he put them in place *forever and ever*, by a decree he gave that will not pass away.
Psalms 148:4‭-‬6

The psalmist for example, he could look up and see it. Praise Him waters above the heavens.

 

[Job 33:6]

Since Scripture is divinely inspired, it doesn’t matter what the ancient authors of Scripture thought they were writing about, but what they were actually writing about.

Well, many, if not most Evangelical Protestant Old testament scholars would disagree. Inspired, yes. But given futuristic supernatural scientific knowledge of atmospheric and astronomical sciences? No. God is not obligated to teach people things like the shape of the earth or 21st century astronomy prior to using them to write scripture.

 

[Strong in Him]

Just forget it, you'll never understand not in a million years.

I don't understand your arguments, no.

I don't understand how you can say, "the shape of the earth is not important" and then start threads which argue that it is.
I don't understand why you admit that the Bible doesn't teach the shape of the earth and then claim that if people believe it is a globe/sphere, it means they are turning away from the Bible.
I don't understand how you can admit that the shape of the earth has nothing to do with salvation but then say that people are "deceived" by it and that one day it will make a difference.
I don't understand how, when we have war, human greed, sin and violence in the world you can say that it's due to damage done by "your globe earth", when the Bible clearly says that it's sin.
I don't understand why you don't trust anyone. According to you, trained, well-qualified scientists are liars or evil, the government and world leaders are plotting to discredit flat earth believers, or paying people to make false statements, the Flat Earth Society itself (set up for people who believe the earth is flat) are completely untrustworthy. Even your own husband, who has a telescope and can see certain things, and @d taylor who has photographed the ISS, are wrong.
I don't understand why, when people take time to try to help you to understand, or explain things to you, you dismiss them; and why they suggest things that will show you that the earth is curved you reject them and refuse to try/do what they are suggesting. Are you afraid that the "truth" of a flat earth might be disproved?

I would ask you to explain, but I don't think you'll be able.
Any "explanation" will be a YouTube photo or video, or a quote by the god-like Dean Odle. You have almost certainly never met any of the people who put things on YouTube, nor Mr Odle, yet you seem to trust them completely - even over well-trained professionals.

 

[Strong in Him]

That’s an unsupported claim, which seems doubtful to me. And also, as I have stated, the heliocentric model is wrong in that the sun is not the center of the universe (there is no center of the universe), and the sun itself orbits in the Milky Way Galaxy, the sight of which at night in its beauty has caused many people to believe in God. Space is extremely beautiful, and all Christians I know personally were greatly inspired by it.

I love seeing the stars. I keep thinking of the words, "I see the stars, I hear the mighty thunder; thy power throughout the universe displayed."

 

[Apple Sky]

I don't understand how, when we have war, human greed, sin and violence in the world you can say that it's due to damage done by "your globe earth", when the Bible clearly says that it's sin.

I said the globe has done damage to God's word & creation, if you had watched the video it would have shown you how & why the globe is false doctrine & how the globe came into being.

Watch it may open your eyes to the truth.

Heliosorcery (2022) | Exposing the Occult Origins of Heliocentrism | Full Documentary (Mirror) - Rumble

 

[Apple Sky]

I love seeing the stars.

And me, it never ceases to amaze me how we see the same constellations night after night.

 

[Zceptre]

Crepuscular Rays.

Where is it really at?

Basic geometrical trigonometry drops the hammer on this glass table.

I will refrain from elaborating on the details or implications.

Anyone that can't see it, isn't looking in my humble opinion.

Especially considering it is supernaturally floating in the sky in spite of "gravity."

Don't expect the world to wake up to it if you do though.

It is in everyone's face daily.

P.S. The Bible supports this. Simple word search for foundation(s). Also Genesis chapter one, and God "stopping" the sun. (Not the Earth)

 

[Strong in Him]

I said the globe has done damage to God's word & creation,

The world has certainly damaged, and mistreated, God's creation.
The world has also rejected God's word - in the NT, "the world" refers to people, societies etc., who don't believe in or accept God. That is why we are told not to conform to the world, not to live according to the world, with the standards of the world.

But that has nothing at all to do with shape.
The world has damaged God's creation because people don't believe in God, believe that man is the highest power there is, or, in their greed, simply don't care. It wouldn't matter if the earth was round, square, flat or triangular - if there are people living on it who reject God and put themselves first, there will always be sin and destruction.

 

[prodromos]

If not a solid dome what about the dangerous Van Allan belts ?

NASA engineer admits they can’t get passed the Van Allen Belts​

We have responded to this. Why do you keep posting it?

 

[Phil G]

If not a solid dome what about the dangerous Van Allan belts ?

NASA engineer admits they can’t get passed the Van Allen Belts​

Can you indicate as to where this guy "admits" that they can't get past the Van Allen Belts? I've listened twice and he never says or implies any such thing. All he's saying is that the shielding used to protect on board systems and electronics needs to be tested before they send people through the Belts. This is in the context of the protection of electronics on board the Orion spacecraft. So where does he say that they can't do it?

 

[prodromos]

Crepuscular Rays.

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Are actually parallel when observed from above. The clouds are at very high altitude but because there is no other visual reference, it tricks our brain into thinking they are much lower. The gaps in the clouds are actually as far apart as where the light through those gaps is hitting the ocean. Perspective makes the rays appear to converge.

 

[David Lamb]

If not a solid dome what about the dangerous Van Allan belts ?

NASA engineer admits they can’t get passed the Van Allen Belts​

But as I have mentioned to you before, the Van Allen belts are belts of radiation, not solid matter. They can be dangerous to astronauts and technical equipment if unprotected, because of their radiation, not because they are solid (they aren't!)

 

[Zceptre]

Anyone who takes Nasa seriously hasn't done their homework. Their lies are easily refuted and found out by anyone searching.

Anyone defending Nasa is hurting their own reputation. They are not godly people and are obviously so.

Are actually parallel when observed from above.

If you say so. I've done my own homework. I know what I know and I have no dog in this fight.

Just sharing for those who wish to study if they need it.

You go with that if you really believe it.

 

[prodromos]

Anyone who takes Nasa seriously hasn't done their homework. Their lies are easily refuted and found out by anyone searching.

What would be those lies you are referring to?

Anyone defending Nasa is hurting their own reputation. They are not godly people and are obviously so.

What was that in response to? I've not mentioned NASA at all.

If you say so. I've done my own homework. I know what I know and I have no dog in this fight.

What is the nature of this 'homework' you say you have done? Has it involved any means of accurately measuring the distance to the clouds and the patches of light on the water surface?

Just sharing for those who wish to study if they need it.

I've studied it and reached a very different conclusion to you. Perhaps you can show how you made your measurements since you claim it is basic trigonometry.

You go with that if you really believe it.

I do, unless you can prove it is otherwise.

 

[Zceptre]

I didn't sign up for a questionnaire. Kindly.

I also didn't quote a soul regarding Nasa.

I will prove nothing to anyone.

You can ask God yourself in due time.

I don't have a need to prove anything.

I provided information.

The homework is to each their own. Sir.

 

[d taylor]

Crepuscular Rays.

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Where is it really at?

Basic geometrical trigonometry drops the hammer on this glass table.

I will refrain from elaborating on the details or implications.

Anyone that can't see it, isn't looking in my humble opinion.

Especially considering it is supernaturally floating in the sky in spite of "gravity."

Don't expect the world to wake up to it if you do though.

It is in everyone's face daily.

P.S. The Bible supports this. Simple word search for foundation(s). Also Genesis chapter one, and God "stopping" the sun. (Not the Earth)

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I believe
The sun and moon are circular disk with the side facing the earths surface being a slight convex surface, facing the earth. In other words they are created lights parallel to the earths surface, for the reason as The Bible states to give light on the earth.

 

[Zceptre]

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I believe
The sun and moon are circular disk with the side facing the earths surface being a slight convex surface, facing the earth. In other words they are created lights parallel to the earths surface, for the reason as The Bible states to give light on the earth.

It is interesting to hear someone postulate the Sun being a disk with a face. The Moon's "face" never turns and it is truly an odd entity in the sky. I have found evidence of stars showing through the darkened / shadowed portion during its phases. It also produces a cold light which is very eerie.

I don't know that I could mentally see the Sun being a disk but I suppose it is possible considering the eccentric nature of the Moon's behavior if it is an indicator of anything in that regard. (I still think it a sphere lol)

Reality is a real adventure when you dig into it and find it unlike you were always told.

And right right, they are created "to give light on the earth" but God says they are also a time piece marking times and events, a calendar.
Genesis 1:14

 

[d taylor]

It is interesting to hear someone postulate the Sun being a disk with a face. The Moon's "face" never turns and it is truly an odd entity in the sky. I have found evidence of stars showing through the darkened / shadowed portion during its phases. It also produces a cold light which is very eerie.

I don't know that I could mentally see the Sun being a disk but I suppose it is possible considering the eccentric nature of the Moon's behavior if it is an indicator of anything in that regard. (I still think it a sphere lol)

Reality is a real adventure when you dig into it and find it unlike you were always told.

And right right, they are created "to give light on the earth" but God says they are also a time piece marking times and events, a calendar.
Genesis 1:14

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I have photographed the moon many times, but have never seen stars shinning through it. I have though photographed light being emitted from under the surface of the moon through these little and even larger surface impressions.

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