Geocentric or Heliocentric (what shape is the earth) ?

[Apple Sky]

Other than that you're just being argumentative.

Here we go again, back in school

 

[Phil G]

Here we go again, back in school

Try to understand basic definitions. If you're going to implicate me in plagiarism, then have the decency to show me where. If you feel you’re back in school it’s because you haven’t grown up.

Here's a quote from you:

"I know my attitude stinks when it comes to flat earth."

And here's the thread I got it from:

Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

Which some are, as God will know this, it is they who need to repent before it's too late, maybe some of them have but we are not going to know this unless they do it publicly, which they should being as they are spreading their fairy tales to the masses. All flat earth models to date are fairy...

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At this stage, you're getting boring, so bye now

 

[Apple Sky]

Try to understand basic definitions. If you're going to implicate me in plagiarism,

I haven't personally implicated you in plagiarism, like @David Lamb said,

I would suggest that when we quote the bible on these forums, it's always a good idea to include which translation it is from, even if the translation in question is the AV/KJV or another one in the public domain. It is helpful to other forum members.

 

[Phil G]

I haven't personally implicated you in plagiarism

Then why are you insisting that we have all plagiarised at some point? Plagiarising is giving the impression that somebody else's words are your own. Show me where I have done such a thing and I'll correct it. Otherwise you are not addressing anything I have done or said and are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

[Apple Sky]

Otherwise you are not addressing anything I have done or said and are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

[Phil G]

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Right about what??? I never said anything about others involved in plagiarism, just that you could be legally pursued for it because you used someone else's words as if they were your own. You corrected it and that should have been the end of it. Instead you started it up again today by addressing me without any reason.

 

[Apple Sky]

Right about what??? I never said anything about others involved in plagiarism, just that you could be legally pursued for it because you used someone else's words as if they were your own. You corrected it and that should have been the end of it. Instead you started it up again today by addressing me without any reason.

Well you got me thinking could the Bible be plagiarized & surprising enough the answer was yes, so I just mentioned it today.

 

[Phil G]

Well you got me thinking could the Bible be plagiarized & surprising enough the answer was yes, so I just mentioned it today.

According to the definition of plagiarise, the only way the Bible can be plagiarised is if somebody uses verses from the Bible as if they were their own original words without acknowledging that they came from the Bible.

Infringement of copyright is a different situation, for which Bibles have particular rules.

Did You Know Your Bible is Under Copyright?

(and how to begin to ethically navigate its use)

vocal.media

 

[Strong in Him]

Well you got me thinking could the Bible be plagiarized & surprising enough the answer was yes, so I just mentioned it today.

Not unless someone was quoting the Bible to someone else who didn't know it and they gave the impression that Isaiah's/David's/Jesus' words were all their own.
"You know, what I always say is, treat others as you would like to be treated", is probably plagiarism.
"You know, I believe that, as Jesus said, we should treat others as we wish to be treated", isn't.
Similarly, if I stood up to read prayers in church, used a prayer from a book and didn't tell people where it came from, that would be plagiarism - because the congregation might think it was all my own words. It would be a lot worse if someone afterwards praised me for the prayers and I didn't let on.
There have been cases in the news of one songwriter stealing another songwriter's lyrics.

As @Phil G has said, plagiarism and copyright infringement are two different things.
Various publishers/translators have rules about how much of the Bible we can quote. If we say where it comes from, it is not plagiarism. But it might still infringe the publisher's copyright.

 

[Phil G]

Not unless someone was quoting the Bible to someone else who didn't know it and they gave the impression that Isaiah's/David's/Jesus' words were all their own.
"You know, what I always say is, treat others as you would like to be treated", is probably plagiarism.
"You know, I believe that, as Jesus said, we should treat others as we wish to be treated", isn't.
Similarly, if I stood up to read prayers in church, used a prayer from a book and didn't tell people where it came from, that would be plagiarism - because the congregation might think it was all my own words. It would be a lot worse if someone afterwards praised me for the prayers and I didn't let on.
There have been cases in the news of one songwriter stealing another songwriter's lyrics.

As @Phil G has said, plagiarism and copyright infringement are two different things.
Various publishers/translators have rules about how much of the Bible we can quote. If we say where it comes from, it is not plagiarism. But it might still infringe the publisher's copyright.

It's actually a surprise to me that people mix up these two situations. Both the question and answer in the Quora link posted by @Apple Sky suggests that neither person there actually understood what plagiarism is. Both the question and answer seemed to me to be referring to possible copyright infringement and not plagiarism.

 

[Apple Sky]

Have you seen the short documentary Heliosorcery? Well worth a watch.

This is from another thread but well worth a watch here also.

Heliosorcery (2022) | Exposing the Occult Origins of Heliocentrism | Full Documentary (Mirror) - Rumble

 

[The Liturgist]

There are more proofs in the Bible that point towards God creating a Geocentric earth than a Heliocentric earth.

What do you guys think ?

Since in General Relativity, there is no preferred frame of reference, but the Earth has people on it and the Sun does not, in that sense, you can say that the Earth is the center. Additionally, there is no singular “center of the Universe” with the Big Bang, a cosmology developed by a Christian presbyter, but rather, the entire universe originated from the Big Bang. Thus, one might as well define the center of the Universe to be the one place we know there to be intelligent life, and the one place described as such in Christianity.

That said, it is the case that the Earth and the other planets orbit the Sun, due to its greater mass. But just because it is the center of gravity in the Solar System (by a huge margin) does not make it the center of the Universe or the center of Creation, or give it a privileged frame of reference which would make the passage of time in the Sun more authoritative than on Earth.

The faster a given object is moving, or the more massive a given object is, dictate how fast or slow clocks on that object will tick relative to clocks on other objects of different mass, moving at different speeds (which depend on whether those objects are moving towards or away from the given object, since speed is also relative).

 

[The Liturgist]

According to the definition of plagiarise, the only way the Bible can be plagiarised is if somebody uses verses from the Bible as if they were their own original words without acknowledging that they came from the Bible.

Infringement of copyright is a different situation, for which Bibles have particular rules.

Did You Know Your Bible is Under Copyright?

(and how to begin to ethically navigate its use)

vocal.media

Many Bibles are in the public domain. The King James Version is under Crown Copyright in the UK but is public domain in the US. I believe British Christians should engage in a letter writing campaign to urge the Crown Copyright on the KJV and the Anglican Book of Common Prayer be abolished.

Here is an interesting blog post I found with more details on the Crown Copyright, and how it is being abused: A Four Century Copyright: Free the King James!

 

[The Liturgist]

This is from another thread but well worth a watch here also.

Heliosorcery (2022) | Exposing the Occult Origins of Heliocentrism | Full Documentary (Mirror) - Rumble

Such a work cannot be rationally used to evaluate the truth of geocentrism, since it constitutes by its very nature an ad hominem attack, ergo it is neither rational nor logical.

A true statement is true no matter who says it. Indeed, the danger of the ad hominem fallacy is demonstrated in the fable of the Boy Who Cried Wolf (also I would argue, the foolishness of the village in entrusting such a task to a young boy who might become lonely, or lackadaisical or otherwise distracted*, particularly given his watch is at the peak of Circadian Low, a time when our bodies tend to want to sleep due to instinctive processes, especially those of children, and who therefore should be in bed at night).

As Christians, we must remember that Jesus Christ is Reason and Logic incarnate, as the divine Logos (John 1:1). The Word of God who became flesh, if we look at Word in the original Greek, is Logos, which is the root word for logic, reason, speech, et cetera.

Indeed St. Epiphanius in his catalogue of occult and heretical sects called the Panarion, a Greek word that translates to Medicine Chest or First Aid Kit, referred to members of a sect which rejected the Gospel According to John and the other Johannine writings as “Alogoi”, a pun since it means they rejected the Word, but also Alogoi means “Unreasonable People” in ancient Greek.

* Alas my posts have a reputation for causing even older members of the forum to become lackadaisical and distracted! But this is the price I pay for being thorough, a quality my friends on the forum expect from my writing.

 

[David Lamb]

Many Bibles are in the public domain. The King James Version is under Crown Copyright in the UK but is public domain in the US. I believe British Christians should engage in a letter writing campaign to urge the Crown Copyright on the KJV and the Anglican Book of Common Prayer be abolished.

Here is an interesting blog post I found with more details on the Crown Copyright, and how it is being abused: A Four Century Copyright: Free the King James!

I don't think even here in the UK anybody would punish a person for quoting from the AV/KJV. The Cambridge University Press site says:

"King James Version

Rights in The Authorized Version of the Bible (King James Bible) in the United Kingdom are vested in the Crown and administered by the Crown’s patentee, Cambridge University Press. The reproduction by any means of the text of the King James Version is permitted to a maximum of five hundred (500) verses for liturgical and non-commercial educational use, provided that the verses quoted neither amount to a complete book of the Bible nor represent 25 per cent or more of the total text of the work in which they are quoted, subject to the following acknowledgement being included:

Scripture quotations from The Authorized (King James) Version. Rights in the Authorized Version in the United Kingdom are vested in the Crown. Reproduced by permission of the Crown’s patentee, Cambridge University Press"

So I suppose technically, we should include those italicized words when quoting the KJV>

 

[The Liturgist]

I don't think even here in the UK anybody would punish a person for quoting from the AV/KJV. The Cambridge University Press site says:

"King James Version

Rights in The Authorized Version of the Bible (King James Bible) in the United Kingdom are vested in the Crown and administered by the Crown’s patentee, Cambridge University Press. The reproduction by any means of the text of the King James Version is permitted to a maximum of five hundred (500) verses for liturgical and non-commercial educational use, provided that the verses quoted neither amount to a complete book of the Bible nor represent 25 per cent or more of the total text of the work in which they are quoted, subject to the following acknowledgement being included:

Scripture quotations from The Authorized (King James) Version. Rights in the Authorized Version in the United Kingdom are vested in the Crown. Reproduced by permission of the Crown’s patentee, Cambridge University Press"

So I suppose technically, we should include those italicized words when quoting the KJV>

It has actually happened, though, if you take a look at the blog post I linked to. And the incident referred to there is not an isolated incident. What is more, the Crown Copyright could always be applied more restrictively.

 

[Strong in Him]

Many Bibles are in the public domain. The King James Version is under Crown Copyright in the UK but is public domain in the US. I believe British Christians should engage in a letter writing campaign to urge the Crown Copyright on the KJV and the Anglican Book of Common Prayer be abolished.

According to Bible Gateway, the KJV is in the public domain - unless Bible Gateway is a U.S.-owned website.

 

[David Lamb]

It has actually happened, though, if you take a look at the blog post I linked to. And the incident referred to there is not an isolated incident. What is more, the Crown Copyright could always be applied more restrictively.

I have read the blog post, but the incident (if it's the same one you are thinking of) involved the whole of the AV/KJV being recited. Up to 500 verses can be quoted by non-profit making people) with no problem.

 

[Apple Sky]

As Christians, we must remember that Jesus Christ is Reason and Logic incarnate, as the divine Logos (John 1:1). The Word of God who became flesh, if we look at Word in the original Greek, is Logos, which is the root word for logic, reason, speech, et cetera.

Indeed St. Epiphanius in his catalogue of occult and heretical sects called the Panarion, a Greek word that translates to Medicine Chest or First Aid Kit, referred to members of a sect which rejected the Gospel According to John and the other Johannine writings as “Alogoi”, a pun since it means they rejected the Word, but also Alogoi means “Unreasonable People” in ancient Greek.

* Alas my posts have a reputation for causing even older members of the forum to become lackadaisical and distracted! But this is the price I pay for being thorough, a quality my friends on the forum expect from my writing.

Martin Luther would wholeheartedly agree with you but as it mentions in the video, here is one guy who certainly did a lot for the Christian world & we have him to thank, but alas, as this is also mentioned in the video, the globe & space has sadly caused many to drift away from the word of God. This I may add is just what their intention were all along.

Watch again Heliosorcery (2022) | Exposing the Occult Origins of Heliocentrism | Full Documentary (Mirror) - Rumble

 

[Strong in Him]

Martin Luther would wholeheartedly agree with you but as it mentions in the video, here is one guy who certainly did a lot for the Christian world & we have him to thank, but alas, as this is also mentioned in the video, the globe & space has sadly caused many to drift away from the word of God.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe that.

People drift away from God for many reasons; friends, peer pressure, marrying a non-Christian or that life gets too tough, they believe that God should sort it all out for them and he doesn't, they become disillusioned and leave.

Jesus said that nothing can snatch us from the Father's hand, John 10:29 and Paul said that nothing can separate us from his love, Romans 8:38-39. If even the demons can't do this, there is no way that the shape of the earth can.

Besides, there are some who believe in a flat earth who are atheist and don't believe in/think about God at all.