Kabala

[Chris V++]

Greetings. I was listening to a podcast which featured a practitioner of Kabala. What he described almost sounded like a means to ‘manifest’ your own reality by following spiritual laws almost like a ‘vision board ‘ sort of philosophy but he also spoke of reincarnation. Christians on Reddit seemed to think Kabala was ‘Jewish witchcraft’. The guy on the podcast seemed to describe more of a cause and effect type philosophy but with specific governing laws, almost like how some Christian s view blessings as consequences for actions like tithing or doing good deeds. Does anyone have any experience with Karbala and is it sound or more like witchcraft as some suggest. Thanks in advance.

 

[friend of]

like all occult initiations, there are levels of induction, from exoteric (outer observed by all) to esoteric (inner circle).

I believe Qaballah is witchcraft that originated with Israel many years ago, but it also has a nice consumptive for masses new aged application to it as well. I am reading a book about this stuff a little bit but it does include the concept of reincarnation and the tree of life and the sephiroth. It's kind of eastern mysticism i find.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Greetings. I was listening to a podcast which featured a practitioner of Kabala. What he described almost sounded like a means to ‘manifest’ your own reality by following spiritual laws almost like a ‘vision board ‘ sort of philosophy but he also spoke of reincarnation. Christians on Reddit seemed to think Kabala was ‘Jewish witchcraft’. The guy on the podcast seemed to describe more of a cause and effect type philosophy but with specific governing laws, almost like how some Christian s view blessings as consequences for actions like tithing or doing good deeds. Does anyone have any experience with Karbala and is it sound or more like witchcraft as some suggest. Thanks in advance.

None of what you are describing is from Jesus Christ of Nazareth. I hope you heed to Him.
Blessings

 

[Yusuphhai]

Of course, Jesus was proficient in the deep and symbolic interpretation of the Torah, which had a huge impact on the Jewish community, but he appeared to be just an ordinary person. The English context only includes spirit and soul, while Hebrew has more vocabulary about spiritual levels that foreigners find difficult to understand.

According to Jewish general education, if Torah's foundation is not good enough, he should not touch Kabala. Because knowledge does not align with behavior in the world. According to the tradition of rabbinic education, there are four possible consequences of studying Kabala: 1. death, 2. madness, 3. destruction of plants, 4. safe exit.

Karl Marx is a typical example of the abuse of Kabala. He understood the sickle and axe as tools for killing people. The “Kabala“ of anti-God has become garbage.

 

[timewerx]

Greetings. I was listening to a podcast which featured a practitioner of Kabala. What he described almost sounded like a means to ‘manifest’ your own reality by following spiritual laws almost like a ‘vision board ‘ sort of philosophy but he also spoke of reincarnation. Christians on Reddit seemed to think Kabala was ‘Jewish witchcraft’. The guy on the podcast seemed to describe more of a cause and effect type philosophy but with specific governing laws, almost like how some Christian s view blessings as consequences for actions like tithing or doing good deeds. Does anyone have any experience with Karbala and is it sound or more like witchcraft as some suggest. Thanks in advance.

Kabbalah is a deeper study of the Torah by the gathering or fellowship of some Pharisees like some kind of fraternity. I suppose we non-Pharisee can achieve the same thing if we do exactly what the Kabbalists did.

Ironically, having the Holy Spirit also gives you deeper understanding of the Torah and other scriptures as the Holy Spirit allows it.

Thus, Kabbalah would be redundant.

John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

 

[Yusuphhai]

In fact, the pouring of the Holy Spirit during Acts Pentecost was a Jewish community event, and foreigners generally did not celebrate this festival. Moses received the Torah during Pentecost, Ruth picked up the ears of wheat during Pentecost, and Paul was arrested in the Holy Temple during Pentecost. The common characteristic is the explosive feeling of spirituality and words. Pentecost, also known as' Harvest Festival ', is a harvest of wheat as well as a harvest of spirituality and words. In the Book of Acts, the reception of the Holy Spirit by Gentiles was considered "Astonished" among Jewish believers. Without a foundation in Torah, it would be even more difficult for Gentiles to receive the filling of the Holy Spirit (the explosion of words). Many artificial experiences of "baptism of the Holy Spirit" are not very reliable. The experience of the baptism of the Holy Spirit was completely foreign to nations outside of Israel.

The Apostle Paul (Rabbi Saul) also spoke about the balance between spirituality and intelligence. There is no strict Pharisee education, nor is there a logically rigorous and reliable Paul theology. The experience of the baptism of the Holy Spirit also needs to be explained in Jewish philosophical language.

 

[Chris V++]

Without a foundation in Torah, it would be even more difficult for Gentiles to receive the filling of the Holy Spirit (the explosion of words). Many artificial experiences of "baptism of the Holy Spirit" are not very reliable. The experience of the baptism of the Holy Spirit was completely foreign to nations outside of Israel.

Thanks for your thoughtful responses. Do you believe the filling of the Holy Spirit happens when someone, to use contemporary terms, is ‘born again’ or ‘regenerated?’ Or is that a separate experience. Are the explosion of words similar to speaking in tongues (of men or of angels) or is that something else? Thanks again!

 

[Chris V++]

I am reading a book about this stuff a little bit but it does include the concept of reincarnation and the tree of life and the sephiroth. It's kind of eastern

Wow, so reincarnation was an aspect of the original Kabala or is that a modern innovation? And thanks for responding.

 

[Chris V++]

Kabbalah is a deeper study of the Torah by the gathering or fellowship of some Pharisees like some kind of fraternity. I suppose we non-Pharisee can achieve the same thing if we do exactly what the Kabbalists did.

Ironically, having the Holy Spirit also gives you deeper understanding of the Torah and other scriptures as the Holy Spirit allows it.

Thus, Kabbalah would be redundant.

John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

Thanks. So can the Kabala be thought of as a specific interpretation of the Torah with its own rules? The reference to reincarnation sort of thr me. The practitioner on the podcast even said something to the effect that ‘your souls of your genuine soul mate can suddenly inhabit the body of your spouse.’ I wouldn’t know where to begin to look for that in the Torah. Wondering if that was an original Kabala teaching or some new age innovation?

 

[Chris V++]

None of what you are describing is from Jesus Christ of Nazareth. I hope you heed to

Thanks. Some of the ideas he was presenting sounded like he was paraphrasing Christ even though he made no claim to be a Christian. Some Christian pastors even allude to the contemporary idea of ‘manifesting’ in an indirect sort of way.

 

[Yusuphhai]

Thanks for your thoughtful responses. Do you believe the filling of the Holy Spirit happens when someone, to use contemporary terms, is ‘born again’ or ‘regenerated?’ Or is that a separate experience. Are the explosion of words similar to speaking in tongues (of men or of angels) or is that something else? Thanks again!

Thanks for your reply.

John 3:8 The wind goes where its pleasure takes it, and the sound of it comes to your ears, but you are unable to say where it comes from and where it goes: so it is with everyone whose birth is from the Spirit.

John 20:22 And when he had said this, breathing on them, he said to them, Let the Holy Spirit come on you:

The Hebrew word Ruach (spirit) also has meaning of "Breath" and "Wind". Jesus used the metaphor of "wind" to describe the Holy Spirit, demonstrating that the experience of "rebirth" is astonishing and difficult to define by conventional patterns. Jesus blew air to make his disciples receive the Holy Spirit before the pouring of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost. The earliest Pentecost was during the period when Moses received the Torah(Teaching, laws), and the arrival of the Teaching of God allowed everyone to experience the power of God. Ruth picked up wheat(or Barley) ears on Pentecost, indicating the way in which foreigners joined the covenant fellowship, which amazed the Israelite congregation and was worthy of a permanent voice with a text of Bible. On the day of Pentecost in the Book of Acts, the Holy Spirit poured out. Rabbi explained that there were about 70 Strange Tongues spoken, representing 70 major ethnic groups around the world, and global cooperation has the power of a fiery flame tongues. (Acts 2:3 And they saw tongues, like flames of fire, coming to rest on every one of them. ) Apostle Paul (Rabbi Shaul) was arrested while performing temple rituals on Pentecost. He defended himself by bringing God's lively and powerful words to explain Torah, which challenged the traditional Jewish community and prepared for his trip to Rome. This action would shock the world. The source of the explosive power of Pentecostal words and spirituality still lies in the sacrifice of the blood of the Passover lamb about 50 days ago.

Acts 1:8 But you will have power, when the Holy Spirit has come on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and all Judaea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.

The Greek word Logos means "Word" and corresponds to the Hebrew word D'var .The Aramaic word 'Memrah' can be used to represent both the God and the Word of God. The explosive power of language and spirituality stems from the power of God's language and spirituality. Because humans have the image and likeness of God, by preparing their hearts, they can participate in God's work. Angels obey God's commands and also possess spiritual and linguistic functions, which is another way of God's work.

The above discussion is not enough for Kabala, it can only be considered as a bit of preparation work.

Have a blessed day to CF brother.

 

[timewerx]

Thanks. So can the Kabala be thought of as a specific interpretation of the Torah with its own rules? The reference to reincarnation sort of thr me. The practitioner on the podcast even said something to the effect that ‘your souls of your genuine soul mate can suddenly inhabit the body of your spouse.’ I wouldn’t know where to begin to look for that in the Torah. Wondering if that was an original Kabala teaching or some new age innovation?

I never heard it from anywhere.

But I have a similar revelation from the Holy Spirit through the Torah and partly with real science. No "codes" involved.

Mainly from Torah consecration rituals. These rituals literally kill harmful pathogens. Association of possessed individuals with graveyards. The soul could literally be DNA or RNA.

Does the podcast starting to make sense?

 

[Chris V++]

I never heard it from anywhere.

But I have a similar revelation from the Holy Spirit through the Torah and partly with real science. No "codes" involved.

Mainly from Torah consecration rituals. These rituals literally kill harmful pathogens. Association of possessed individuals with graveyards. The soul could literally be DNA or RNA.

Does the podcast starting to make sense?

Thanks again. I’ve heard of Orthodox Crismation and wonder if it’s rooted in these consecration rituals you mention. The objective from my understanding seems to be the same, to expel spiritual parasites. There was also fears expressed about the RNA Covid vaccine causing a threat to one’s salvation, but I think that was all fringe and not an official position.Ive never heard the idea that the Soul is DNA but that might explain that specific vaccine conspiracy theory.

 

[Chris V++]

Thanks for your reply.

John 3:8 The wind goes where its pleasure takes it, and the sound of it comes to your ears, but you are unable to say where it comes from and where it goes: so it is with everyone whose birth is from the Spirit.

John 20:22 And when he had said this, breathing on them, he said to them, Let the Holy Spirit come on you:

The Hebrew word Ruach (spirit) also has meaning of "Breath" and "Wind". Jesus used the metaphor of "wind" to describe the Holy Spirit, demonstrating that the experience of "rebirth" is astonishing and difficult to define by conventional patterns. Jesus blew air to make his disciples receive the Holy Spirit before the pouring of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost. The earliest Pentecost was during the period when Moses received the Torah(Teaching, laws), and the arrival of the Teaching of God allowed everyone to experience the power of God. Ruth picked up wheat(or Barley) ears on Pentecost, indicating the way in which foreigners joined the covenant fellowship, which amazed the Israelite congregation and was worthy of a permanent voice with a text of Bible. On the day of Pentecost in the Book of Acts, the Holy Spirit poured out. Rabbi explained that there were about 70 Strange Tongues spoken, representing 70 major ethnic groups around the world, and global cooperation has the power of a fiery flame tongues. (Acts 2:3 And they saw tongues, like flames of fire, coming to rest on every one of them. ) Apostle Paul (Rabbi Shaul) was arrested while performing temple rituals on Pentecost. He defended himself by bringing God's lively and powerful words to explain Torah, which challenged the traditional Jewish community and prepared for his trip to Rome. This action would shock the world. The source of the explosive power of Pentecostal words and spirituality still lies in the sacrifice of the blood of the Passover lamb about 50 days ago.

Acts 1:8 But you will have power, when the Holy Spirit has come on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and all Judaea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.

The Greek word Logos means "Word" and corresponds to the Hebrew word D'var .The Aramaic word 'Memrah' can be used to represent both the God and the Word of God. The explosive power of language and spirituality stems from the power of God's language and spirituality. Because humans have the image and likeness of God, by preparing their hearts, they can participate in God's work. Angels obey God's commands and also possess spiritual and linguistic functions, which is another way of God's work.

The above discussion is not enough for Kabala, it can only be considered as a bit of preparation work.

Have a blessed day to CF brother.

Thanks this is so informative. I’ve never thought about Pentecost prior to what happened in Acts or the symbolism of a ‘harvest’ festival.

 

[timewerx]

Thanks again. I’ve heard of Orthodox Crismation and wonder if it’s rooted in these consecration rituals you mention. The objective from my understanding seems to be the same, to expel spiritual parasites. There was also fears expressed about the RNA Covid vaccine causing a threat to one’s salvation, but I think that was all fringe and not an official position.Ive never heard the idea that the Soul is DNA but that might explain that specific vaccine conspiracy theory.

You're welcome. It's possible with Orthodox Chrismation. Mary Magdalene anointed Jesus with oil before crucifixion sometimes, the oil is understood to help preserve body of the dead by preventing invasion of bad bacteria

So yes, it's probably related to these consecration rituals a well.

But it doesn't all end in the biological dimension of the underlying message of the Torah.

I have come to understand there maybe underlying cosmological significant to the Torah as well. I meant the matter of heavenly bodies, the stars, the planets, galaxies, etc. They have utter relevance to our existence as well NOT just because they keep us alive and supply us with resources.

But they may well be intricately connected to our souls. and with the way things are going, the "hidden levels" goes even deeper.

I was never a practitioner of Kabbalah but these things were eventually revealed to me by the Holy Spirit. It isn't just knowledge because the knowledge can seem to change your DNA as well.

No need to dabble with Kabbalah. All you need to do is simply give up the belief that you have found the truth. No one does. I think the Truth is meant to be sought for a lifetime. If Christianity have found the truth, we'd all be under ONE and SAME denomination because there is only ONE truth, it cannot be many.

 

[Yusuphhai]

Thanks this is so informative. I’ve never thought about Pentecost prior to what happened in Acts or the symbolism of a ‘harvest’ festival.

For the unleavened bread of the Passover is pure, and the offering of Pentecost may be leavened. So the impact of the Pentecostal events can expand rapidly. In Jesus' parable, yeast may have a bad or good（if pure） effect.

【Lev23:16】even to the next day after the seventh Sabbath you shall count fifty days; and you shall offer a new meal offering to Yahweh.【Lev23:17】You shall bring out of your habitations two loaves of bread for a wave offering made of two tenths of an ephah1 ephah is about 22 liters or about 2/3 of a bushel of fine flour. They shall be baked with yeast, for first fruits to Yahweh.

Have a blessed day.

 

[Chris V++]

You're welcome. It's possible with Orthodox Chrismation. Mary Magdalene anointed Jesus with oil before crucifixion sometimes, the oil is understood to help preserve body of the dead by preventing invasion of bad bacteria

So yes, it's probably related to these consecration rituals a well.

But it doesn't all end in the biological dimension of the underlying message of the Torah.

I have come to understand there maybe underlying cosmological significant to the Torah as well. I meant the matter of heavenly bodies, the stars, the planets, galaxies, etc. They have utter relevance to our existence as well NOT just because they keep us alive and supply us with resources.

But they may well be intricately connected to our souls. and with the way things are going, the "hidden levels" goes even deeper.

I was never a practitioner of Kabbalah but these things were eventually revealed to me by the Holy Spirit. It isn't just knowledge because the knowledge can seem to change your DNA as well.

No need to dabble with Kabbalah. All you need to do is simply give up the belief that you have found the truth. No one does. I think the Truth is meant to be sought for a lifetime. If Christianity have found the truth, we'd all be under ONE and SAME denomination because there is only ONE truth, it cannot be many.

This is all really interesting. It’s hard to know what is safe to pursue and what might be ‘unclean’ for lack of a better word. Even topics like meditation are controversial. I listen to audio files called binaural beats which are proven to modify brain wave frequencies because of entrainment- sort of like how an opera singer can shatter a glass, these audio fikes cause brain cells to adapt to the intended frequencies (alpha, theta Etc) altering states of consciousness and causing glandular excretions. Some claim they can repair DNA. I doubt that has been proven but I wouldn’t be surprised. (Doctors ate using sound waves now to destroy certain cancel cells based on the same principle)It’s science backed but seems spiritual as well. Monks have been chanting for centuries, beyond worship there must be some practical benefit. I like what you said about truth and denominationalism. Wonder if God permitted all the schisms not unlike how He broke up or allowed division of Israel and Judah.

 

[Chris V++]

For the unleavened bread of the Passover is pure, and the offering of Pentecost may be leavened. So the impact of the Pentecostal events can expand rapidly. In Jesus' parable, yeast may have a bad or good（if pure） effect.

【Lev23:16】even to the next day after the seventh Sabbath you shall count fifty days; and you shall offer a new meal offering to Yahweh.【Lev23:17】You shall bring out of your habitations two loaves of bread for a wave offering made of two tenths of an ephah1 ephah is about 22 liters or about 2/3 of a bushel of fine flour. They shall be baked with yeast, for first fruits to Yahweh.

Have a blessed day.

Wow Am I misunderstanding or is that a prophecy about gentiles being included (as in the yeast?)

 

[Yusuphhai]

Wow Am I misunderstanding or is that a prophecy about gentiles being included (as in the yeast?)

Some rabbis explain that the two loaves offered on Pentecost are one for the Israelites and one for the Gentiles. At that time of Moses, who among the Gentiles would be the chosen one of God, was hidden. Wherever the fermentation(Yeast) of Pentecost goes, it brings vitality to life.

 

[Yusuphhai]