Election postmortem

[Merrill]

Setting aside my personal views on the candidates, and approaching this at an objective level, I fund the results of this election shocking and unexpected.

We have to ask seriously, "how could a candidate with twice the money (record amounts), the entire MSM behind her--to the point where it was literal propaganda 24/7 on the news networks, fanatical devotion from her party, and support from foreign leaders, get completely demolished in the election by a controversial and polarizing opponent? And not only this, she saw her party lose both chambers of congress"

The polls had this election 50/50, and guys like Allan Lichtmen predicted her to win. Surveys of viewers after the debate said Harris won. Democrats interviewed expressed unwavering support for her. All of this was wrong.

Trump gained additional percentages of votes from virtually every demographic and economic group, including black males, latinos, etc. he won 51% of the women's vote in the country--when many predicted women would vote for Harris to the tune of 60-70%. The electoral map is an ocean of red. This is a realignment.

So what happened?

Some theories:

1. The one thing voters do not tolerate is inflation. People will put up with corruption, war, and even some chaos, but they will not tolerate inflation. The Biden administration's attempt to downplay inflation, and then blame it on Trump, the pandemic, etc. fell on deaf ears--no one bought that narrative save for far-left, partisan Democrats. Economists were saying for 2 years that much of the inflation was caused by excessive government spending (the ARA & IRA--and spending during the Trump years), artificially low interest rates, etc. --it wasn't just supply shocks. And even if people accepted that supply shocks were largely to blame, it was Democratic governors who shut down their states and ports. Inflation is a tax on the middle and lower classes.

2. Underestimating the public's concern over foreign wars and chaos. Forever wars (Ukraine) make people angry, as they see billions of dollars going overseas, and worry about escalation. Many Muslims and people on the left were outraged by what is going on in the ME. Harris simply ignored these issues after she was handed the nomination. She briefly touched on Ukraine during the debate, but basically said that there would be more escalation. Her rhetoric involving Gaza was empty, as it contained no policy proposals or objectives.

3. Backlash against identity politics and far-left lunacy. Transgenderism, DEI/CRT, cancel culture, etc. --people are really sick of this stuff. A buddy of mine who has voted Democrat his entire life voted for Trump, because he is just tired of all this nonsense, and couldn't bring himself to vote for Harris

4. Harris was a terrible candidate--historically bad. She comes off as vapid, empty, weak, and arrogant all at the same time. But what was interesting is that the MSM wouldn't touch on this at all, and lionized her. When she made contradictory statements, flip-flopped, became evasive, etc., they typically covered for her. I wonder how off-putting she really was to the average voter?

I am curious as to what others think, because this wasn't simply a candidate losing an election, it was an entire political party getting wrecked.

 

[Fantine]

Thanks for giving a Trump-centric view of what went wrong.
The Democrats needed to put the blame for inflation where it belonged--worldwide. Historians will give Biden an A for handling a situation he did not create, and most likely Trump will get a propaganda medal for lying about it.
Democrats underestimated those issues.
What I don't understand is that I could never put my trust in someone so awful in every way just because I thought the incimbent caused the problem.
So there it is. Punishing the incumbent for a problem he didn't cause and jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

 

[Merrill]

Thanks for giving a Trump-centric view of what went wrong.
The Democrats needed to put the blame for inflation where it belonged--worldwide. Historians will give Biden an A for handling a situation he did not create, and most likely Trump will get a propaganda medal for lying about it.
Democrats underestimated those issues.
What I don't understand is that I could never put my trust in someone so awful in every way just because I thought the incimbent caused the problem.
So there it is. Punishing the incumbent for a problem he didn't cause and jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

I am not giving a trump-centric view of anything

Reputable economists are in almost universal agreement that inflation was caused by fiscal policy (spending), monetary policy (interest rates) and supply shocks (pandemic-related measures). The idea that inflation was simply something caused by coronavirus, and the government, Federal Reserve, etc. didn't have any part to play is a nonsense Democratic talking point that very few people endorsed. It has no basis in reality.

Now that being said, there was excessive spending during Trump's term that also contributed

Historians are not going to be sympathetic to a president who presided over massive foreign policy failures, preventable wars, a recession, skyrocketing inflation, political and social divisions, and the loss of the presidency and congress by his party. Biden was a total disaster.

But my post wasn't about Biden (who would have gotten totally destroyed in the general election), it was about Harris

Democrats absolutely tried to "put the blame" for inflation elsewhere, and it didn't work.

 

[Fantine]

I know there are contrarian economists out there.
Biden got us out of Afghsnistan because his predecessor was too wimpy to take the heat.
Our involvement with Israel and Ukraine was only economic.
I was very upset about our financing of Israeli genocide, so upset I would never vote for Netanyahu's willing partner in crime instead.
Sadly, Putin must be held back and now, bad as it is, will be a lot cheaper than later.

 

[Wolseley]

Historians are not going to be sympathetic to a president who presided over massive foreign policy failures, preventable wars, a recession, skyrocketing inflation, political and social divisions, and the loss of the presidency and congress by his party. Biden was a total disaster.

Not to mention destroying American energy independence by cutting off pipeline development by endorsing the hare-brained "green energy" fable, pushing unworkable and inadequate alternatives like windmills and electric cars (the latter is a total disaster); and damaging American sovereignty by allowing millions of unvetted, unvaccinated, drug-ridden, disease-ridden illegal criminals to flow into the country, virtually unimpeded, for four years.

We have to ask seriously, "how could a candidate with twice the money (record amounts), the entire MSM behind her--to the point where it was literal propaganda 24/7 on the news networks, fanatical devotion from her party, and support from foreign leaders, get completely demolished in the election by a controversial and polarizing opponent? And not only this, she saw her party lose both chambers of congress".

Well, I have to agree with you that We the People had just about all we were going to take with the shenanigans of the Democrats. But that having been said, I personally think that Trump, having survived every nasty, dirty, underhanded trick in the book to try to put him out of commission---the lies, the false charges of collusion, the show trials, the tabloid yellow smear "journalism", the hysterical shrieks of fascism, etc., etc., right up to and including two assassination attempts---is still around, and won this election by a landslide, because he had more going for him than simple good luck and bulldog fortitude. I think he's here and he won because God wanted him that way.

 

[Aldebaran]

Thanks for giving a Trump-centric view of what went wrong.
The Democrats needed to put the blame for inflation where it belonged--worldwide. Historians will give Biden an A for handling a situation he did not create, and most likely Trump will get a propaganda medal for lying about it.
Democrats underestimated those issues.
What I don't understand is that I could never put my trust in someone so awful in every way just because I thought the incimbent caused the problem.
So there it is. Punishing the incumbent for a problem he didn't cause and jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

Are you actually trying to say that Kamala Harris and the Democrats losing the election in such a huge fashion was everyone's fault except for Kamala Harris and the Democrats? Let me tell you something. If your party and its followers continue blaming everyone but yourselves, you're going to lose again in two years in the midterm election.

 

[Bobber]

I am curious as to what others think, because this wasn't simply a candidate losing an election, it was an entire political party getting wrecked.

So think of it like the sinking of the Titanic. It's said those in charge fell into becoming very presumptuous. They increased the speed of the ship to break records for a maiden voyage. Ice bergs? Forget them! This mighty ship (or Party ) is too great to fail. After all....nobody likes Trump. Of course they live in an echo chamber. Everyone they choose to hear is everyone. All we've really got to do is say nobody likes Trump. There that's it! We sealed the deal!

No need to answer any questions. Forget about having new conferences! That's the old way of doing democracy ! All we need to do is put it on cruise control and keep laughing and smiling all the way to victory! Problem is the passengers saw great burgs but the crew marginalized and dismissed them as inconsequential. Election night however they felt a great impact and a great big RED wave came flooding in.

 

[ozso]

I think the turning point for the DNC is when Biden debated Trump. Biden's performance (or lack thereof) made it undeniably clear that he wasn't fit for office going into a second term. And then after assuring everyone that Biden was sharp as a tack, totally on the ball, and very capable of being President for another four years, the DNC yanked him out and replaced him with Harris.

And then Harris who got nowhere in the primaries. Whom the Democrats showed virtually no interest in having as President, suddenly got promoted as the DNC superstar way into the race. The Democrats (or anyone supporting Biden the whole time) had to suddenly completely shift gears overnight and become a Harris for President supporter. This situation threw a monkey wrench into the DNC campaign that totally discombobulated it.

Added to that was the perceived rhetoric of the was Biden is suddenly now Harris campaign. Which came out as "if you don't vote for Harris, you're garbage". And "women who don't support Harris, are stupid". And "back people who don't vote for Harris, aren't really black". And if you don't vote for Harris you're a fascist, a bigot, a racist, against democracy, against the Constitution" etc. Which just insulted voters and probably inadvertently ended up as reverse phycology. Altogether just way too much hyperbole in general, to where it sounded like paranoid crazy talk and blatantly bad propaganda.

And then there was the whole issue of the transsexual, transgender, gender identity, gender pronoun mishmash, which the DNC seem to be fully dedicated to pushing on voters children to the greatest extreme. The only thing voters are going to object to more than policies that have a negative effect on their pocketbook, are policies that have a negative effect their children.

 

[ozso]

So think of it like the sinking of the Titanic. It's said those in charge fell into becoming very presumptuous. They increased the speed of the ship to break records for a maiden voyage. Ice bergs? Forget them! This mighty ship (or Party ) is too great to fail. After all....nobody likes Trump. Of course they live in an echo chamber. Everyone they choose to hear is everyone. All we've really got to do is say nobody likes Trump. There that's it! We sealed the deal!

No need to answer any questions. Forget about having new conferences! That's the old way of doing democracy ! All we need to do is put it on cruise control and keep laughing and smiling all the way to victory! Problem is the passengers saw great burgs but the crew marginalized and dismissed them as inconsequential. Election night however they felt a great impact and a great big RED wave came flooding in.

The crux of the Harris campaign was "Do Not Vote For Trump, Only Stupid Garbage People Would Vote For Trump", which became the greatest ever exercise in reverse psychology.

 

[zippy2006]

The problem was...

Harris

...or Biden?​

...or Clinton?​

...or Sanders?​

...or the dissatisfaction and lack of unity on the left that Sanders represented?​

​

I think it goes deep. The Democratic Party has lost more blood in the last 8 years than it lets on.

 

[BPPLEE]

Thanks for giving a Trump-centric view of what went wrong.
The Democrats needed to put the blame for inflation where it belonged--worldwide. Historians will give Biden an A for handling a situation he did not create, and most likely Trump will get a propaganda medal for lying about it.
Democrats underestimated those issues.
What I don't understand is that I could never put my trust in someone so awful in every way just because I thought the incimbent caused the problem.
So there it is. Punishing the incumbent for a problem he didn't cause and jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

They lost because the party heads are a bunch of out of touch rich alums from the Clinton and Obama campaigns that refuse to acknowledge the working class. Instead they give platitudes about how great everything is rather than offering any type of vision to alleviate actual problems. Bernie Sanders is right about this

 

[Truth7t7]

They lost because the party heads are a bunch of out of touch rich alums from the Clinton and Obama campaigns that refuse to acknowledge the working class. Instead they give platitudes about how great everything is rather than offering any type of vision to alleviate actual problems. Bernie Sanders is right about this

The main concerns were for the border & economy, 75% of voting Americans want a closed border, 65% believed Biden/Harris did a bad job with the presidency

The democratic party dumped 50% of their base in the blue collared working class "Jobs" for the 20% of their base pushing the "Rainbow flag" progressive liberal agenda, CRT, gender equity, sex changes on taxpayer dollars, government moving behind parents backs in public schools regarding gender transition, on and on

"Special Thanks" to Elon Musk in buying Twitter $44 Billion in giving conservatives a voice in the town square, Joe Rogan's endorsement Huge, Dana White and the Nelk Boy's gaining the college kids vote Huge, Tom Fitton Judicial Watch cleaning up voting rolls and procedures in many States, with the list being toooo long to mention

Not forgetting the commander in Chief Donald J. Trump and Family enduring the past 8 years of torture by the liberal left, a purple heart award ceremony for the chief would be fitting, wounded on the battlefield in Butler Pennsylvania?

It's a great time for conservative Americans, and the words "MAGA" and "America First" will continue to ring!

God, Family, Country, Red, White & Blue!

Jesus Is The Lord!

 

[Truth7t7]

Sadly, Putin must be held back and now, bad as it is, will be a lot cheaper than later.

Putin isn't a world enemy as you project, he was looking to partake in western world partnership trade since 1991 and the west shut him out

Obama's CIA, and his vice Secretary of State Victoria Nuland started and oversaw the presidential coup in Ukraine Feb 2014, they started the war that continues today

The MSM propaganda supporting NATO and Western World continuing the war is evil self interest in using Ukranian citizens as cannon fodder in their proxy war $$$ filling the Graves, Ukraine is destroyed "Done"!

 

[Bobber]

They lost because the party heads are a bunch of out of touch rich alums from the Clinton and Obama campaigns that refuse to acknowledge the working class. Instead they give platitudes about how great everything is rather than offering any type of vision to alleviate actual problems. Bernie Sanders is right about this

It's stunning that even right now on the liberal networks Dems are trying to tell us why they lost the election but just know that when a Dem tries to tell you now why they lost the election that's probably NOT why they lost the election. Some are hopelessly in denial claiming that they had the right policies all the time! Imagine! They claim nope it was merely all about not so nice Joe not stepping down on time making it difficult for poor Kamila to build a campaign.

Or it was about almost sneaky right wing advocates using podcast and new type of technologies to get their message out to the people , and what? That's unfair? Or maybe they should look in the mirror and recognize they were not being transparent in shunning press conferences or answering questions as if that was beneath them? I know it can be a chore to accommodate the pesky LITTLE PEOPLE who carry a voting card but if you offend them in mass their vote to you becomes one big mess of a problem. Politically speaking they'll set you off to the side and thus we see the said end results. Lesson to be learned if they're willing to learn it....don't take the electorate for granted again.

 

[BPPLEE]

It's stunning that even right now on the liberal networks Dems are trying to tell us why they lost the election but just know that when a Dem tries to tell you now why they lost the election that's probably NOT why they lost the election. Some are hopelessly in denial claiming that they had the right policies all the time! Imagine! They claim nope it was merely all about not so nice Joe not stepping down on time making it difficult for poor Kamila to build a campaign.

Or it was about almost sneaky right wing advocates using podcast and new type of technologies to get their message out to the people , and what? That's unfair? Or maybe they should look in the mirror and recognize they were not being transparent in shunning press conferences or answering questions as if that was beneath them? I know it can be a chore to accommodate the pesky LITTLE PEOPLE who carry a voting card but if you offend them in mass their vote to you becomes one big mess of a problem. Politically speaking they'll set you off to the side and thus we see the said end results. Lesson to be learned if they're willing to learn it....DON'T TAKE THE ELECTORATE FOR GRANTED AGAIN.

Joy Reid is the worst one I have seen yet, criticizing black people and Hispanics for voting for Trump and saying they are responsible for their own demise

 

[Postvieww]

Setting aside my personal views on the candidates, and approaching this at an objective level, I fund the results of this election shocking and unexpected.

We have to ask seriously, "how could a candidate with twice the money (record amounts), the entire MSM behind her--to the point where it was literal propaganda 24/7 on the news networks, fanatical devotion from her party, and support from foreign leaders, get completely demolished in the election by a controversial and polarizing opponent? And not only this, she saw her party lose both chambers of congress"

The polls had this election 50/50, and guys like Allan Lichtmen predicted her to win. Surveys of viewers after the debate said Harris won. Democrats interviewed expressed unwavering support for her. All of this was wrong.

Trump gained additional percentages of votes from virtually every demographic and economic group, including black males, latinos, etc. he won 51% of the women's vote in the country--when many predicted women would vote for Harris to the tune of 60-70%. The electoral map is an ocean of red. This is a realignment.

So what happened?

Some theories:

1. The one thing voters do not tolerate is inflation. People will put up with corruption, war, and even some chaos, but they will not tolerate inflation. The Biden administration's attempt to downplay inflation, and then blame it on Trump, the pandemic, etc. fell on deaf ears--no one bought that narrative save for far-left, partisan Democrats. Economists were saying for 2 years that much of the inflation was caused by excessive government spending (the ARA & IRA--and spending during the Trump years), artificially low interest rates, etc. --it wasn't just supply shocks. And even if people accepted that supply shocks were largely to blame, it was Democratic governors who shut down their states and ports. Inflation is a tax on the middle and lower classes.

2. Underestimating the public's concern over foreign wars and chaos. Forever wars (Ukraine) make people angry, as they see billions of dollars going overseas, and worry about escalation. Many Muslims and people on the left were outraged by what is going on in the ME. Harris simply ignored these issues after she was handed the nomination. She briefly touched on Ukraine during the debate, but basically said that there would be more escalation. Her rhetoric involving Gaza was empty, as it contained no policy proposals or objectives.

3. Backlash against identity politics and far-left lunacy. Transgenderism, DEI/CRT, cancel culture, etc. --people are really sick of this stuff. A buddy of mine who has voted Democrat his entire life voted for Trump, because he is just tired of all this nonsense, and couldn't bring himself to vote for Harris

4. Harris was a terrible candidate--historically bad. She comes off as vapid, empty, weak, and arrogant all at the same time. But what was interesting is that the MSM wouldn't touch on this at all, and lionized her. When she made contradictory statements, flip-flopped, became evasive, etc., they typically covered for her. I wonder how off-putting she really was to the average voter?

I am curious as to what others think, because this wasn't simply a candidate losing an election, it was an entire political party getting wrecked.

IMO you are overthinking this. The simple answer is Liberal policies were rejected. Kamala was the most unqualified candidate in my lifetime. She was elevated by many only out of unfounded unnatural hatred of Trump. Biden in his dementia was smarter than Kamala. It was the liberal establishment that tried to gaslight the American public into believing she was a viable candidate. Wisdom prevailed and the majority of voting Americans did not fall for the ruse.

 

[Postvieww]

I think he's here and he won because God wanted him that way.

The prophet Kim Clement even before Trump announced had a word from the Lord that Trump would serve two terms. Many cried “false prophet “ when Biden set in the White House but God truly is in control.

This very accurate prophecy was given in 2007. It has been very sad to see that so many Christians fight against God.

 

[Bobber]

Joy Reid is the worst one I have seen yet, criticizing black people and Hispanics for voting for Trump and saying they are responsible for their own demise

This all reminds me of 45 years ago I was working in one low paying job. I quit and went to look for something better. I landed a job that paid me twice as much. One day I saw a truck parked in a lot from that other firm and knew the driver....good friend. He told me the boss from the other firm said to everyone I'd probably end up on the street selling pencils. The driver laughed with me and rejoiced that I landed a better employment.

Just for a joke he told me write on the side of the truck (because of the dirt on the truck) write down the new wage you have with the words ALRIGHT!!!!! and sign your first name. When he'd get back to the shop he'd bring out John the boss with other workers and tell him "You've got to see something!" When he got out to look at it he informed him I wrote this on the truck and that's what Bill is NOW making....pretty good eh????? All the other workers laughed at the boss and all said privately yeah I had made a good decision.

So maybe that's what this Joy needs as time goes along and things get better for those she's criticizing. "Here's my new job Joy and here's my new wage! Alright!!!!"

 

[Postvieww]

Joy Reid is the worst one I have seen yet, criticizing black people and Hispanics for voting for Trump and saying they are responsible for their own demise

This is just a symptom of acute Liberalism. The good news it is treatable and curable in some cases.

 

[BPPLEE]

This is just a symptom of acute Liberalism. The good news it is treatable and curable in some cases.

I think it's more than acute in her case