Post Millennialism safe house

[JM]

Nice find!

 

[Hammster]

Nice find!

I thought so, too. If the first one is any indication, it should be good.

 

[Hammster]

 

[JM]

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Gold.

 

[actionsub]

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OK, that's funny; I don't care who you are...

 

[JM]

Commenting on Psalm 2 regarding the Lord laughing at the nations (v.4):

It is to be understood of that power which he giveth to His saints, that they seeing the things to come, namely, that the Name and rule of Christ is to pervade posterity and possess all nations. … ‘Ask of Me’ (v.7), may be referred to all this temporal dispensation, which has been instituted for mankind, namely, that the ‘nations’ should be joined to the Name of Christ, and so be redeemed from death, and possessed by God. ‘I shall give Thee the nations for Thine inheritance,’ which so possess them for their salvation, and bear unto Thee spiritual fruit. - Augustine

 

[JM]

 

[FredVB]

I see apostasy and growing godlessness, how should this be understood? And where Mystery Babylon will fall, in Revelation 18, God's people are told to come out. What should be understood of that?

 

[JM]

I see apostasy and growing godlessness, how should this be understood? And where Mystery Babylon will fall, in Revelation 18, God's people are told to come out. What should be understood of that?

Maybe this will help?

There will always be a falling away, apostasy, etc. until Christ returns. The Kingdom will continue to grow even while suffering setbacks.

 

[JM]

 

[Sovereign Grace]

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Someone on x/twitter stated that Lindsey sold over 35 million copies of his books and was wrong on virtually all of it. Talk about getting rich off writing fiction!

 

[JM]

Someone on x/twitter stated that Lindsey sold over 35 million copies of his books and was wrong on virtually all of it. Talk about getting rich off writing fiction!

Wild. Good theology never sells...goats are fed and entertained while sheep starve.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

I salute you for recognizing that the 666 calculated number applied to a certain period of years. Luther thought the same thing, only he mistakenly applied it to the lifespan of the Catholic church (as he supposed it would end after 666 years).

You've got a few things mixed up here, though, in regard to the 666 number. The 666 number was not the number of the Land Beast in Rev. 13, but was instead the calculated number of the Sea Beast. With its combined features of lion, bear, and leopard, this Rev. 13 Sea Beast had first originated with Nebuchadnezzar (the lion empire), as you mentioned above. But you have the wrong origination year. It was Nebuchadnezzar's first deportation of Jerusalem's nobility (including Daniel) in 607 BC which began this 666-year calculated number.

As of the time John was writing Revelation somewhere between late AD 59 and early AD 60, his readers were to count backward in time those 666 years, and they would arrive at the 607 BC year when Nebuchadnezzar first deported their people from Jerusalem. It was a humiliating episode in Jerusalem's history that would have been readily called to mind by John's readers.

So this 666 number of years not only identifies the ancient history of the Sea Beast with all its 4 pagan world empires that held control over Israel, it also dates the book of Revelation's composition between AD 59 and AD 60. There is no way it could be written any later than that because of the AD 60 Laodicean earthquake which destroyed the city. God said of the Laodicean church that he was "about to spue thee out of my mouth". In AD 60 in the immediate future of John writing Revelation, God did just that with the AD 60 Laodicean earthquake.

No foreign army entered into Jerusalem until 597 BC.

 

[3 Resurrections]

On the contrary, DM, Nebuchadnezzar made three attacks on Jerusalem, as listed in Jeremiah 52:28-30. Daniel was deported in the first of those attacks, taking place in 607 BC - the year which began the 70 years of exile as prophesied by Jeremiah 25:12.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

From Grok. Because I don't feel like double checking my knowledge of this history right now.

When was Daniel deported to Babylon


Daniel was deported to Babylon in 597 BC during the first Babylonian deportation, following Nebuchadnezzar II’s siege of Jerusalem. According to 2 Kings 24:10-16 and Daniel 1:1-6, after King Jehoiachin surrendered, the Babylonians took many of Judah’s elite, including young nobles like Daniel, to Babylon. This occurred after the city was entered by Babylonian forces, as described in the previous response. The Book of Daniel places this event in the "third year of Jehoiakim" (around 605 BC in some interpretations), but most scholars align Daniel’s deportation with the 597 BC event based on historical and biblical chronology. If you need a deeper dive into the textual or historical nuances, let me know!

 

[3 Resurrections]

I am quoting from both Jeremiah 52:28-30 and from Ussher's "Annals of the World". Jeremiah 52:28-30 lists three deportations of Jerusalem's citizens: the first in the 7th year, the second in the 18th year, and the 3rd in the 23rd year. Daniel was removed with that first group of deported captives numbering 3,023. And Ussher provides the date of 607 BC for that first deportation.

Whether or not you agree that Daniel went with that first group of deported captives is immaterial, actually. The fact remains that the first deportation of captives in 607 BC was the beginning of the 70-year exile period Jeremiah prophesied, and was also the year which began the humiliating 666-year period of subjugating Israel's citizenry to the pagan empires of the world - beginning with the first "lion" empire kingdom of Babylon the Sea Beast's existence and continuing through the (bear) Medo-Persians, the (leopard) Greeks, and finally the Romans in John's days.

John was writing Revelation in that 666th year of pagan world empires having control over Israel. This helps pinpoint the composition date of Revelation to late AD 59. And this agrees with all the other internal evidence of datable events taking place in Revelation. The composition date of Revelation could have been no earlier than late AD 59, and no later than early AD 60, just before the disastrous Laodicean earthquake in AD 60. A very narrow window of time.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

Ushers is authoritative? There are like a million historians and commentaries that disagree.

Siege of Jerusalem (597 BC) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

AI Overview


The events described in 2 Kings 24:10–16 occurred in the year
597 BC and detail Nebuchadnezzar's second siege of Jerusalem, which resulted in the deportation of King Jehoachin and 10,000 captives to Babylon. This event marks a crucial step in the Babylonian exile, a period of punishment for the people of Judah due to their continued disobedience.
Here's a breakdown:

• 597 BC:This is the primary date for the events in the passage.
• Nebuchadnezzar's Siege:Nebuchadnezzar, king of the Neo-Babylonian Empire, besieged Jerusalem.
• King Jehoachin's Deportation:The Jerusalemite king, Jehoachin (Jeconiah), was taken prisoner and exiled to Babylon.
• Mass Deportation:A total of 10,000 captives, including skilled workers and officials, were taken to Babylon, leaving the poorest behind.
• King Zedekiah:The Babylonians then appointed Jehoachin's uncle, Mataniah (renamed Zedekiah), as a puppet king to rule over Judah.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Yes, Archbishop Ussher's classic work from 1658 is most certainly authoritative. He is not flawless, but his "Annals of the World" from creation until AD 73 was highly regarded from the time it was published and should not be dismissed lightly as just another historian's attempt. Ussher's work is based on a colossal collection of twelve thousand notes from secular sources and around two thousand Bible quotes as well as material from the Apocrypha.

I don't deny the episode of Jehoiachin's defeat by Nebuchadnezzar, but before that event there was also Nebuchadnezzar's FIRST deportation of captives under Jehoiachin's father, King Jehoiakim, in 607 BC, as described in 2 Kings 24:1-6. If Jeremiah 52:28-30 listed THREE deporations of captives from Jerusalem, then there actually WERE three of them. Jeremiah ought to know: he lived through all three of these deportation episodes.

AI and its overview breakdown is incorrect that there were 10,000 captives taken under Jehoiachin. Jeremiah 52:30 tells us that the sum total of all Jerusalem's captives for all three deportations under Nebuchadnezzar amounted to 4,600 altogether.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

Break down the dates of Jeremiah 52:28-30

https://x.com/i/grok/share/lnqvspbNYsnrq15MmNJwyUj0r