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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

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I'm going to have to side with Wesley on this subject
The moral law is throughout the book of the law. It is not just the ten. Unless you are going to argue in favor of incest, eating unclean animals, beastiality to name a few.
 
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If we don’t commit adultery because we love our wife and God, then the law against adultery does not affect our choices out of fear of condemnation.
Our love will only produce more sin
 
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The moral law is throughout the book of the law. It is not just the ten. Unless you are going to argue in favor of incest, eating unclean animals, beastiality to name a few.
If one was only worshipping God, the very first commandment, would not be doing any of those things. Jesus demonstrated how far and wide the Ten Commandments are God's perfect law converting the soul Psa 19:7

Mat 5:18 you can't make this connect to the law of Moses/ book of the law because a jot and tittle did pass and not all is fulfilled. The Ten Commandments, the words of the covenant, Exo 34:28 God said would not be altered Psa 89:34 they are a standalone unit- God added no more Deut 5:22 as no man can edit what God personally wrote. Exo 31:18 hence why Jesus first quoted directly from the Ten so we know the law He was referring to. He went on to say in addition to quoting some of the laws of Moses but connecting them with the Ten Commandments as well demonstrating its reach.
 
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Our love will only produce more sin
In Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus sums up the foundation of the whole law. Much of the Old Testament law is based on fear and condemnation. I John 4:18 – “There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.” If we act out of love of God and neighbor in the grace of God, we are no longer controlled by the fear of punishment of the law. Godly love cannot increase sin.
 
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I can't find evidence of them knowing about the seventh day
Brother, I don't think you understand the significance of this evidence. The International Date Line's existence and the Sabbath in Jerusalem are evidence of the creation account in Genesis where God taught Adam and Eve to count the days of the week when He made His rest holy on the seventh day of the first week, establishing the International Date Line as evidence linked to the Sabbath in Jerusalem. The Sabbath in Jerusalem gives us the distance to the International Date Line of God's prime meridian. This evidence shows that God has been with us from the beginning and that the inspiration of His word through prophets has not been affected by human traditions. The Sabbath in Jerusalem shows that God's intelligence in writing His word is above the humans He has used to give us His word.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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If we don’t commit adultery because we love our wife and God, then the law against adultery does not affect our choices out of fear of condemnation.
Say, Jerry :heart: you getting notifications / alerts?
 
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In Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus sums up the foundation of the whole law. Much of the Old Testament law is based on fear and condemnation. I John 4:18 – “There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.” If we act out of love of God and neighbor in the grace of God, we are no longer controlled by the fear of punishment of the law. Godly love cannot increase sin.
Our love will only produce more sin
 
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Then they are not translating they are paraphrasing.
Arguably, all translations have some degree of paraphrasing. It's just a question of how much. This is especially true when exact word to word correspondence isn't available.

They are saying what they think rather then what is there.
Again, true of all translations. There are varying degrees, though, yes

Basically a commentary really.
Is that inherently bad?

Right. And what does it say?
Romans 14:1 says this
 
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Say, Jerry :heart: you getting notifications / alerts?
Thank you for caring. I'm not getting notifications. I checked my profile and all notifications are on. Sometimes I get emails a day later.
 
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If one was only worshipping God, the very first commandment, would not be doing any of those things. Jesus demonstrated how far and wide the Ten Commandments are God's perfect law converting the soul Psa 19:7

Mat 5:18 you can't make this connect to the law of Moses/ book of the law because a jot and tittle did pass and not all is fulfilled. The Ten Commandments, the words of the covenant, Exo 34:28 God said would not be altered Psa 89:34 they are a standalone unit- God added no more Deut 5:22 as no man can edit what God personally wrote. Exo 31:18 hence why Jesus first quoted directly from the Ten so we know the law He was referring to. He went on to say in addition to quoting some of the laws of Moses but connecting them with the Ten Commandments as well demonstrating its reach.
I read all that years ago. .
Arguably, all translations have some degree of paraphrasing. It's just a question of how much. This is especially true when exact word to word correspondence isn't available.


Again, true of all translations. There are varying degrees, though, yes


Is that inherently bad?


Romans 14:1 says this
why would you do that when you don’t know what it says?

Stuff like this why I don’t think you are serious.

Answer the question or not. Take care
 
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Brother, I don't think you understand the significance of this evidence. The International Date Line's existence and the Sabbath in Jerusalem are evidence of the creation account in Genesis where God taught Adam and Eve to count the days of the week when He made His rest holy on the seventh day of the first week, establishing the International Date Line as evidence linked to the Sabbath in Jerusalem. The Sabbath in Jerusalem gives us the distance to the International Date Line of God's prime meridian. This evidence shows that God has been with us from the beginning and that the inspiration of His word through prophets has not been affected by human traditions. The Sabbath in Jerusalem shows that God's intelligence in writing His word is above the humans He has used to give us His word.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Brother, have all humans throughout history known about the international date line and Jerusalem?

 
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Thank you for caring. I'm not getting notifications. I checked my profile and all notifications are on. Sometimes I get emails a day later.
You're welcome :heart:

What happens if you click on this link: account alerts
 
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why would you do that when you don’t know what it says?
Why would I do what? Post Romans 14:1 in Greek? I can read it :)

If you want me to post it in english, it will involve some degree of paraphrasing

Stuff like this why I don’t think you are serious.
It's a discussion forum :heart:

Discuss if you like, or not :)

Answer the question or not.
I did answer the question. You asked me what Romans 14:1 says. I posted it.

Again, are you asking me to translate it into English? Or are you asking me to post one of the more literal translations?

Take care
You too, my brother :heart:
 
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If one was only worshipping God, the very first commandment, would not be doing any of those things. Jesus demonstrated how far and wide the Ten Commandments are God's perfect law converting the soul Psa 19:7

Mat 5:18 you can't make this connect to the law of Moses/ book of the law because a jot and tittle did pass and not all is fulfilled.
The Ten Commandments, the words of the covenant, Exo 34:28 God said would not be altered Psa 89:34
As you read it, does Psalm 89:34 apply only to the Ten Commandments?


...they are a standalone unit- God added no more Deut 5:22 as no man can edit what God personally wrote. Exo 31:18 hence why Jesus first quoted directly from the Ten so we know the law He was referring to. He went on to say in addition to quoting some of the laws of Moses but connecting them with the Ten Commandments as well demonstrating its reach.
 
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Why would I do what? Post Romans 14:1 in Greek? I can read it :)
I doubt that.
If you want me to post it in english,

No, What does it say. Keep in mind it is being said in context to verse 2.

it will involve some degree of paraphrasing

Stop playing games
I did answer the question. You asked me what Romans 14:1 says. I posted it.

No you did not.
Again, are you asking me to translate it into English? Or are you asking me to post one of the more literal translations?

Why are you playing? You know full well what was asked. What does it say? Keep in mind it is being stated in context to verse 2.
 
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I believe one should keep the Sabbath, but some Christians think it is Sunday.

Yes, this is true. There are "Many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, that believe and teach others that God's Sabbath is the first day of the week, not the seventh, as the Holy Scriptures teach. The Jesus of the Bible said men are to "Live by" God's every Word, not the religious traditions of this world HE places us in.

We should yield ourselves to the ten commandments of God. However, Romans 14:5 indicates that some people don’t regard certain days as special.
This too is true as we should yield ourselves to God's instruction, not the doctrines and traditions of this world's religious system. I couldn't agree more. There are high days created by this world's religions and have been since the beginning. And there are men who consider some of these days as special, even holy. And there are men who refuse to esteem any day above another. But as Paul also teaches in the verse you referenced, "Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind". Who does Paul say to "Yield ourselves" to? This man, or another man? Or should we Yield ourselves to God and as Jesus teaches, "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and HIS Righteousness?" So then, when a man seeks the righteousness of God, does God esteem one day above another? And if I am fully persuaded that God is my Father, shall I not then adopt His "Way" over the way of this world's religions? In other words, shall we not "Turn to God" as Paul teaches?

I would not condemn anybody who takes this to include the Sabbath, and it doesn’t follow that the other 9 commandments are in the same category.

It is written:

Ex. 16: 26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none. 27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none. 28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

If I reject one commandment as unworthy of my respect or honor, am I not breaking the first and greatest Commandment? If God is my Father, then by rejecting one of His Ten Commandments, am I honoring my Father?

If I refuse to give to God this one day as HE commands, in favor of doing what "I" want to do, am I not stealing this day from Him? Am I not coveting what is not mine? If I teach others to reject this commandment, am I not teaching them to "SIN", and therefore, killing them?

It's certainly not my place to "Condemn" others. But surely, we should warn our brothers and show them God's instruction concerning His Commandments.
The Hebrews were collectively punished by slavery in Babylon, which included people who were obedient to God.

Yes, Caleb and Joshua suffered because of their disobedient brothers, just as we all suffer from the disobedience of Adam and Eve. And Jesus said those who walked as HE walked would be persecuted even by their own family members. So yes, in this life God's People suffer because of Sin in the world.

God heard their prayers, but it took 70 years for them to be free again.

We too, are in Babylon. Surrounded by religions and religious men that promote them, who "profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate". And God's people patiently wait for the return of Christ, to be freed from this sinful world, and our corruptible flesh. Many died in this hope. But we don't have to join with Babylon and its religious system, it's religious high days, judgments and philosophies. We have the Oracles of God in our own homes if we can just believe the Word of God shown to us. It is even written;

Rev. 18: 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

P.S. I would have responded sooner, but I haven't been getting notifications from this thread.

No worries, I too have a lot on my plate this time of year. I really appreciate the discussion.
 
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Yes, this is true. There are "Many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, that believe and teach others that God's Sabbath is the first day of the week, not the seventh, as the Holy Scriptures teach. The Jesus of the Bible said men are to "Live by" God's every Word, not the religious traditions of this world HE places us in.


This too is true as we should yield ourselves to God's instruction, not the doctrines and traditions of this world's religious system. I couldn't agree more. There are high days created by this world's religions and have been since the beginning. And there are men who consider some of these days as special, even holy. And there are men who refuse to esteem any day above another. But as Paul also teaches in the verse you referenced, "Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind". Who does Paul say to "Yield ourselves" to? This man, or another man? Or should we Yield ourselves to God and as Jesus teaches, "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and HIS Righteousness?" So then, when a man seeks the righteousness of God, does God esteem one day above another? And if I am fully persuaded that God is my Father, shall I not then adopt His "Way" over the way of this world's religions? In other words, shall we not "Turn to God" as Paul teaches?



It is written:

Ex. 16: 26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none. 27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none. 28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

If I reject one commandment as unworthy of my respect or honor, am I not breaking the first and greatest Commandment? If God is my Father, then by rejecting one of His Ten Commandments, am I honoring my Father?

If I refuse to give to God this one day as HE commands, in favor of doing what "I" want to do, am I not stealing this day from Him? Am I not coveting what is not mine? If I teach others to reject this commandment, am I not teaching them to "SIN", and therefore, killing them?

It's certainly not my place to "Condemn" others. But surely, we should warn our brothers and show them God's instruction concerning His Commandments.


Yes, Caleb and Joshua suffered because of their disobedient brothers, just as we all suffer from the disobedience of Adam and Eve. And Jesus said those who walked as HE walked would be persecuted even by their own family members. So yes, in this life God's People suffer because of Sin in the world.



We too, are in Babylon. Surrounded by religions and religious men that promote them, who "profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate". And God's people patiently wait for the return of Christ, to be freed from this sinful world, and our corruptible flesh. Many died in this hope. But we don't have to join with Babylon and its religious system, it's religious high days, judgments and philosophies. We have the Oracles of God in our own homes if we can just believe the Word of God shown to us. It is even written;

Rev. 18: 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.



No worries, I too have a lot on my plate this time of year. I really appreciate the discussion.
I wrote, “I would not condemn anybody who takes this to include the Sabbath, and it doesn’t follow that the other 9 commandments are in the same category.” In my opinion, it is better to make posts short and concise, but the danger is obvious in what I just quoted. Giving good reasons to keep the Sabbath to somebody that doesn’t is not the same as telling them that they are committing a sin, even if you think they are committing a sin. In this case, the traditions of mankind are important. I live in a very Roman Catholic community. Many have put their faith in Jesus, and many have put their faith in the Roman Church, but most put their faith in both. Our neighbors are very strict on how they keep Sunday holy. I respect that, and that is why I say the Sabbath commandment is a different category. All of the other 9 commandments are intentional rejections of God’s will, but these people are trying to do God’s will. In the Torah, it is one category, but in the minds of many of our Christian brothers and sisters, it is two categories. When we get to heaven, I think we will be surprised about how many misconceptions we had in life. However, believing that Christ died for our sins and rose from the dead is central. I disagree with most denominations of Christianity, but they all contain brothers and sisters in Christ.
 
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I doubt that.


No, What does it say. Keep in mind it is being said in context to verse 2.



Stop playing games


No you did not.
Why are you playing?
I'm not playing :)

You know full well what was asked.
Are you referring to this question?
Right. And what does it say?
If so, then Romans 14:1 says
One man esteems one day as more important. Another esteems every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind

What does it say? Keep in mind it is being stated in context to verse 2.
 
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