A Special Monologue for the Republican in Your Life

[doubtingmerle]

Dear Republicans in my life,

Jimmy Kimmel asked me to send this to you. Enjoy!

And you want a man who says this kind of stuff to be your President?

 

[probinson]

Ah, Jimmy Kimmel. The guy that said unvaccinated people should be left to die.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Ah, Jimmy Kimmel. The guy that said unvaccinated people should be left to die.

I did not know Jimmy Kimmel was running for president.

 

[rambot]

Ah, Jimmy Kimmel. The guy that said unvaccinated people should be left to die.

Oh look at who can't take a joke...I think that's the canned response in these situations yes?

 

[doubtingmerle]

Oh look at who can't take a joke...I think that's the canned response in these situations yes?

Electing a President involves judging the candidate's character. If a President approves of jokes that he must surely know will be considered to be very offensive by some of his constituents, then that reflects on his character, and should be considered when selecting a President.

And seriously, is there anybody out there that still considers Trump's character to be an asset?

I was not asking you to elect Jimmy Fallon. Even if you judge his character to be bad due to this joke, that still does not mean that what he has to say at other times is not worth hearing. I am telling you that what he says here is worth hearing.

Besides, were you actually offended at that joke?

 

[MotoToTheMax]

Oh look at who can't take a joke...I think that's the canned response in these situations yes?

Not quite, now it's "stop getting so offended." Same idea, but with the backing of the candidate VP.

 

[probinson]

I did not know Jimmy Kimmel was running for president.

Apparently the OP thinks Jimmy Kimmel's opinion is important enough for consideration, for some reason. I have no idea why.

 

[probinson]

Oh look at who can't take a joke...I think that's the canned response in these situations yes?

It wasn't a joke.

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“It was not a fun Labor Day weekend COVID-wise. Dr. Fauci said if hospitals get any more overcrowded they’re going to have to make some very tough choices about who gets an ICU bed.​

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That choice doesn’t seem so tough to me. ‘Vaccinated person having a heart attack? Yes, come right in, we’ll take care of you. Unvaccinated guy who gobbled horse goo? Rest in peace, wheezy.'”​

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-Jimmy Kimmel​

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And the crowd applauded.

Kimmel genuinely thought that those who did not get vaccinated should just be left to die. What an awful position to take.

He wasn't alone. The NIH published an article on this topic:

Moral dilemmas have arisen concerning whether physicians and other providers should treat patients who have declined COVID vaccination and are now sick with this disease. Several ethicists have argued that clinicians have obligations to treat such patients, yet providing care to these patients has distressed clinicians, who have at times declined to do so. Critical questions thus emerge regarding how best to proceed.​

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Needs to address clinicians’ moral distress in treating unvaccinated COVID-19 patients - PMC

Moral dilemmas have arisen concerning whether physicians and other providers should treat patients who have declined COVID vaccination and are now sick with this disease. Several ethicists have argued that clinicians have obligations to treat such ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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We've been discussing character and morality for a while now in regards to the election. So it's only fair to point out that the character of Jimmy Kimmel is such that he would prefer to just leave unvaccinated people to die. And that's no joke.

 

[doubtingmerle]

It wasn't a joke.

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“It was not a fun Labor Day weekend COVID-wise. Dr. Fauci said if hospitals get any more overcrowded they’re going to have to make some very tough choices about who gets an ICU bed.​

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That choice doesn’t seem so tough to me. ‘Vaccinated person having a heart attack? Yes, come right in, we’ll take care of you. Unvaccinated guy who gobbled horse goo? Rest in peace, wheezy.'”​

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-Jimmy Kimmel​

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LOL. Have you never watched late night TV? That's a joke: lead-in based on recent event followed by a punchline.

 

[doubtingmerle]

We've been discussing character and morality for a while now in regards to the election. So it's only fair to point out that the character of Jimmy Kimmel is such that he would prefer to just leave unvaccinated people to die. And that's no joke.

Do you know what it is called when someone responds to an argument by attacking the character of the person making the argument? It's called an ad hominem. It is a logical fallacy.

Do you know what it is called when someone responds to a person that is asking for his vote by studying the character of the person asking for his vote? That is called informed voting.

 

[probinson]

LOL. Have you never watched late night TV?

What?! You mean there's TV on late at night?! Who knew!

That's a joke: lead-in based on recent event followed by a punchline.

It wasn't a joke.

Kimmel thought that unvaccainated people should be left to die. As I showed, it was such an issue that the NIH (National Institutes of Health) wrote an article talking of the ethical obligations of medical professionals to treat unvaccinated patients.

If it were just a joke, the NIH wouldn't have had to write a paper on the topic.

Sadly, it was no joke. It was a dark time, when all sorts of authoritarian tendencies were exposed, mostly in Democrats, many of whom favored locking people up in their homes, firing them, putting them in "designated facilities" and generally ostracizing them from society.

Here is yet another paper the NIH wrote about denying ICU beds to unvaccinated patients.

This article provides a systematic analysis of the proposal to use Covid‐19 vaccination status as a criterion for admission of patients with Covid‐19 to intensive care units (ICUs) under conditions of resource scarcity. The general consensus is that it is inappropriate to use vaccination status as a criterion because doing so would be unjust; many health systems, including the UK National Health Service, are based on the principle of equality of access to care. ​

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Vaccination status and intensive care unit triage: Is it fair to give unvaccinated Covid‐19 patients equal priority? - PMC

This article provides a systematic analysis of the proposal to use Covid‐19 vaccination status as a criterion for admission of patients with Covid‐19 to intensive care units (ICUs) under conditions of resource scarcity. The general consensus is that ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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So you can try to pretend like it was "just a joke", but in reality, the NIH gave it serious consideration. Kimmel may have used it as fodder for his talk show, but it was a very strongly held belief.

 

[probinson]

Do you know what it is called when someone responds to an argument by attacking the character of the person making the argument? It's called an ad hominem. It is a logical fallacy.

Indeed it is. But understanding the character of one making an argument can be quite helpful to understand where they're coming from.

Do you know what it is called when someone responds to a person that is asking for his vote by studying the character of the person asking for his vote? That is called informed voting.

Ah. Character is only valid for scrutiny in certain situations. If you say so.

 

[probinson]

I find it utterly fascinating that someone would post a monologue from someone examining someone else's character that has severe character flaws of their own. Not only did Kimmel wish death on unvaccinated Americans, but is anyone else old enough to remember "The Man Show"? Kimmel was a host on that show also. They ended every show by having a bunch of girls in bikinis jump on trampolines while they stared at them and drank beer.

But none of that apparently matters. No, that is "ad hominem", donchaknow?! Now it's time to listen to that guy lecture us about the importance of CHARACTER.

The punchlines write themselves.

 

[doubtingmerle]

Ah. Character is only valid for scrutiny in certain situations. If you say so.

LOL. Character is one of the core characteristics that we should be judging when we vote for President. Does this candidate have the character required for the job? Are you saying it it wrong to consider character when voting?

Judging an argument to be wrong by looking for character flaws in the person making it is ad hominem. Are you saying you consider ad hominems to be a valid form of argument?

If you are judging character, then character is important. (Duh.)

If you are judging an argument, than the argument, not the character of the person making it, is important.

 

[doubtingmerle]

But none of that apparently matters. No, that is "ad hominem", donchaknow?!

LOL. Now the Trump supporters are arguing for the virtues of ad hominem arguments? What next? Will someone tell me that straw man arguments are also good?

 

[probinson]

LOL. Character is one of the core characteristics that we should be judging when we vote for President. Does this candidate have the character required for the job? Are you saying it it wrong to consider character when voting?

Not at all. But I am saying that someone lecturing me about character probably should have some character of their own. Glass houses, and all that.

Judging an argument to be wrong by looking for character flaws in the person making it is ad hominem. Are you saying you consider ad hominems to be a valid form of argument?

No, I'm saying that someone lecturing me about character who has exhibited concerning character flaws really ought to take a long, hard look at themselves first before they try to lecture everyone else about character.

 

[doubtingmerle]

I am saying that someone lecturing me about character probably should have some character of their own. Glass houses, and all that.

Watch the video. Kimmel is playing back the words that Trump says and asking us to consider what Trump actually says.

Are you saying we should not judge Trump by the words he says?

(name corrected)

 

[probinson]

LOL. Now the Trump supporters are arguing for the virtues of ad hominem arguments? What next? Will someone tell me that straw man arguments are also good?

I figured you would misjudge me. Nothing about what I've said indicates I am a "Trump Supporter", but you've jumped to conclusions, because apparently in your narrow worldview, if I find Kimmel's monologue to be hypocritical given his demonstrated character flaws, it necessitates that I must support Trump.

It might interest you to know that I don't support either candidate. I would tend to agree that Trump's character is irredeemably flawed. However, I also have serious concerns about Harris. So I don't plan to cast my vote for either one of them, because I think they are both horrendous candidates and the fact that they are our two choices is a sad commentary on the state of politics in the United States.

 

[probinson]

Watch the video. Fallon is playing back the words that Trump says and asking us to consider what Trump actually says.

Fallon? I thought you were talking about Kimmel. Perhaps you watch too much late night TV.

Are you saying we should not judge Trump by the words he says?

Um, no.

 

[doubtingmerle]

Fallon? I thought you were talking about Kimmel. Perhaps you watch too much late night TV.

LOL. Got me.