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Human Babies: The Best evidence against evolution

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Hands to work with tools? So you believe some creature who had no hands, developed hands over time, because of the potential to use tools at some very distant point in the future??? This is my problem with evolution, every small change takes countless generations and millions of years.... that is quite the foresight on tool usage.... by the way, who made the tools? By what hands?

That's a teleological view of evolution, which would be wrong from a scientific point of view. Animals with hands that can grip--for example tree branches because they live a chiefly arboreal lifestyle--already have adaptations which could use tools once those hands are free. We see tool use in many kinds of animals, in our closest relatives the chimpanzees we see some tool use; but also we observe tool use among some birds and other mammals. Otters use rocks to smash molluscs to get to the food inside their shells. Crows have been observed using their claws and beaks to manipulate objects to problem solve and get food.

Now, in some sense, a teleological view of evolution isn't necessarily wrong, at least from a position of faith. After all, since we believe in one God, the Maker of Heaven and Earth, it isn't difficult to conceive that in creation there is a goal. But from a purely scientific standpoint, that doesn't work; teleology in evolution would be a position of faith rather than science. Faith in the Good Creator God who made all things, and works all things toward His desired ends; for all things were made by Christ and for Christ, and He is the end--the telos--of all things (Ephesians 1:10, Colossians 1:16-18).

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Hands to work with tools?
If you want to know about hands look at art, they know more than science does. Now they are building better robotic hands because they are doing a study on people and how our hand works.

Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519) is known for his depictions of hands in several of his works, including:


  • Study of Hands: A silverpoint drawing on prepared paper, created around 1474, that is considered one of the most exquisite hand drawings in art history. The drawing depicts three hands, including one folded underneath another, and is thought to have been a study for a lost portrait called the Lady of Lichtenstein. The drawing is known for its attention to anatomical detail, including the muscles of the thumb pads and the wrinkles of the fingers.



  • The bones, muscles and tendons of the hand: A drawing from around 1510-11 that depicts the bones, muscles, and tendons of the hand. The drawing shows the thenar and hypothenar muscles, which control the thumb and little finger, respectively.


  • Anatomy of Hands and Face: A printed copy of Leonardo's work on hand and face anatomy.
 

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Hands to work with tools?
Hands were developed by mammals and primates so they could climb and live in trees. When they could use a weapon to defend themselves they no longer had to live in the trees.
 
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Hands were developed by mammals and primates so they could climb and live in trees. When they could use a weapon to defend themselves they no longer had to live in the trees.
That's what evolutionists would say I suppose. I believe what the bible says, that God created Adam, complete with hands.
 
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That's what evolutionists would say I suppose. I believe what the bible says, that God created Adam, complete with hands.
In his book: "Once a Wolf" Bryan Sykes says that his "narrative" is "embellished with a generous helping of my own imagination",

Bryan Sykes mentions in the preface to his book "Once a Wolf" that his narrative includes a mix of scientific facts and his own imaginative interpretation to make the story more engaging and accessible to readers. This approach helps to convey complex genetic concepts in a more relatable way.

Imagination is crucial in scientific discovery. Many breakthroughs began as imaginative ideas or hypotheses that seemed outlandish at first. Einstein's theory of relativity, for instance, revolutionized physics, but it started as a thought experiment. Imagining new possibilities and thinking creatively allows scientists to explore uncharted territories and develop innovative solutions.

Imagination and science go hand in hand, driving progress and expanding our understanding of the universe. So there is a lot of science in fiction and a lot of fiction in science.

Bryan Sykes was a Professor of Human Genetics at the University of Oxford and a Fellow of Wolfson College1. He was renowned for his work in genetics, particularly in the field of ancient DNA. He died at 73

Sykes was a British geneticist, author, and Emeritus Professor of human genetics at the University of Oxford. He was a pioneer in the field of ancient DNA, and was one of the first scientists to publish on the retrieval of DNA from ancient bones. Some of his notable achievements include:


  • Sequencing the DNA of the 5,000-year-old Ötzi mummy, also known as Iceman


  • Sequencing the DNA of the 10,000-year-old remains of Cheddar Man


  • Developing a shortcut for extracting ancient DNA by using mitochondrial DNA
 
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