Mary was a good person and had a sinful nature like all of us.

[William1213]

The vessel that carried God, sounds pretty darn important to me.

What difference does that make? None.He was entirely separate from her. No DNA and no flesh in common. A vessel made of clay holds water just as well as one made of gold.

 

[NotUrAvgGuy]

Biblical source? Cite your verse, please.

Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. (Acts 17:11)

This is not a command but the Bereans were complimented on their practice of not accepting Paul's words at face value but "examining the Scriptures daily to whether these things were so." Do you examine the Scriptures regularly to examine if the teachings of the Catholic church are correct? Why didn't Luke write of Paul scolding them and saying they should trust him as an Apostle and not put their own private interpretations ahead of his authoritative teaching? That is what I hear from Catholics. I am told I am putting my private interpretation ahead of the Catholic church's authoritative teaching. If the Bereans were "noble-minded" for testing Paul against Scripture, we would do well to do the same.

We all believe the Scriptures are the inspired Word of God. We know God does not change His mind or contradict Himself. Therefore, any teaching that comes along must be tested against Scripture. That is a very logical conclusion that does not require a direct command.

 

[William1213]

Biblical source? Cite your verse, please.

Galatians 1 6-9.

 

[RileyG]

Galatians 1 6-9.

No one is rejecting the gospel of Christ.

 

[William1213]

Intercede=ask

Intercede= act in replacement to or for. It does not mean ask.

 

[RileyG]

Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. (Acts 17:11)

This is not a command but the Bereans were complimented on their practice of not accepting Paul's words at face value but "examining the Scriptures daily to whether these things were so." Do you examine the Scriptures regularly to examine if the teachings of the Catholic church are correct? Why didn't Luke write of Paul scolding them and saying they should trust him as an Apostle and not put their own private interpretations ahead of his authoritative teaching? That is what I hear from Catholics. I am told I am putting my private interpretation ahead of the Catholic church's authoritative teaching. If the Bereans were "noble-minded" for testing Paul against Scripture, we would do well to do the same.

We all believe the Scriptures are the inspired Word of God. We know God does not change His mind or contradict Himself. Therefore, any teaching that comes along must be tested against Scripture. That is a very logical conclusion that does not require a direct command.

I agree, and I find all the Marian dogmas to be supported by scripture and the early church.

 

[RileyG]

Intercede= act in replacement to or for. It does not mean ask.

Regardless, it doesn’t change anything.

 

[William1213]

No one is rejecting the gospel of Christ.

You asked for a verse that tells us to discard that which does not agree with Scripture. The Bible is complete. Nothing need be added to it. If something goes against what is in scripture, it is to be rejected.

 

[RileyG]

What difference does that make? None.He was entirely separate from her. No DNA and no flesh in common. A vessel made of clay holds water just as well as one made of gold.

Entirely separate from her? Are you entirely separate from your mother?

Or are you saying Jesus really didn’t come in flesh and ONLY APPEARED to be human?

Sounds like Gnosticism to me.

 

[RileyG]

You asked for a verse that tells us to discard that which does not agree with Scripture. The Bible is complete. Nothing need be added to it. If something goes against what is in scripture, it is to be rejected.

Where does it say that in scripture? What did the early Christians do? They only had the Jewish Tanak and had to rely on the teachings of the Church.

Not to mention, those who were illiterate.

 

[William1213]

That’s your own private interpretation. The queen was always the mother of the King. It was pre-ordained by God.

I don’t understand why it’s such a big deal to call her queen.

You do you.

No such thing was preordained by God. Now it is your turn, chapter and verse where it says that. I'll wait.

 

[RileyG]

No such thing was preordained by God. Now it is your turn, chapter and verse where it says that. I'll wait.

It’s literally all throughout kings and I already cited it. You just chose to ignore it.

 

[RileyG]

It most definitely is not Biblical. Nowhere is Mary called the Queen of Heaven. Only a pagan goddess had that title.

Is Jesus the King of heaven? Then who is the Queen?

Who was the Queen when David was King? Hint: his mother

 

[William1213]

Entirely separate from her? Are you entirely separate from your mother?

Or are you saying Jesus really didn’t come in flesh and ONLY APPEARED to be human?

Sounds like Gnosticism to me.

NO. I was not entirely separate from my .mother. But I am not Jesus either. You have no facts to rely on. You just throw out ridiculously unbiblical opinions.

 

[William1213]

It’s literally all throughout kings and I already cited it. You just chose to ignore it.

No, I didn't ignore anything. Nowhere does it say the mother of a king makes her a queen.

 

[RileyG]

NO. I was not entirely separate from my .mother. But I am not Jesus either. You have no facts to rely on. You just throw out ridiculously unbiblical opinions.

So you are saying Jesus isn’t human? I never said anything unbiblical lol

 

[RileyG]

No, I didn't ignore anything. Nowhere does it say the mother of a king makes her a queen.

It’s literally in the Bible. Read the book of kings.

 

[William1213]

NO. I was not entirely separate from my .mother. But I am not Jesus either. You have no facts to rely on. You just throw out ridiculously unbiblical opinions.

No. I am saying God is not restricted by biology. Nothing says any part of Jesus was once part of Mary. Jesus is FULLY divine.How can He be fully divine of any part of him was sinful flesh?

 

[NotUrAvgGuy]

I agree, and I find all the Marian dogmas to be supported by scripture and the early church.

Which is your right. I find none of them to be supported by Scripture and not complete agreement among the early church.

 

[RileyG]

Which is your right. I find none of them to be supported by Scripture and not complete agreement among the early church.

Which is your own private interpretation. That’s why they’re are 60,000 + denominations of Protestantism that preached Bible alone and none of them can agree on anything. Eh?