Report from Springfield OH

[rjs330]

Donald has declared he would round up all these hardworking people and force them out of the country en masse - despite their being here legally. Are you on board with that?

I'm not on board with removing those that are here legally.

And according to that article things are not as rosy as you are making them out to be.

 

[RoBo1988]

Utter nonsense. Springfield was a dying city. Haitian immigrants, here legally, resuscitated the area. The locals now have more businesses to work for and shop at, not fewer.

Donald has declared he would round up all these hardworking people and force them out of the country en masse - despite their being here legally. Are you on board with that?

So, I'm guessing that you frequent the Dayton/ Springfield area often? Or, did you get your information from MSNBC's Joy Reid?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Jamie McGregor, 48, CEO of McGreggor Metal Co. from Springfield, Ohio, is a lifelong Republican who voted twice for Trump.

But he has now had to purchase a gun for protection after receiving a flurry of death threats for speaking favorably about his Haitian employees after Trump infamously denounced the Haitians in Springfield with false claims that they were eating pets last month.

Posters branding him a traitor for hiring immigrants have also been plastered around his town

McGreggor added that his mother, 80, and children have also been receiving terrifying calls just because he had spoken out in an effort to show that Haitian workers had helped his company expand.

'They come to work every day. They don't cause drama. They're on time,' he told the newspaper.

 

[DaisyDay]

So, I'm guessing that you frequent the Dayton/ Springfield area often? Or, did you get your information from MSNBC's Joy Reid?

Yeah, insults are bad arguments. Do you have anything of substance to say?

 

[iluvatar5150]

This shows rhe problems of massive immigration allowance. It puts a burden upon communities to deal with it. Often, communities that are NOT prepared. When you send thousands of people into communities and do not provide them the real support that is needed you end up with things like this.

They weren't "sent" there. They moved there for the prospect of work and to be around other Haitians who'd already moved there - the same phenomenon that's been populating and growing our nation since before it formally existed.

This is just another example of why we need to put a stop to it. We are no longer the country that can just take anyone and everyone. Every community that is taking these folks is over burdened don't have the infrastructure for it.

Until we can figure out how to do it so this doesn't happen it's nothing more than tragic for everyone involved.

Why is your solution stagnation instead of building to accommodate them?

 

[KathrynAragon]

I just passed the Springfield Ohio exit the other day! I did not stop though. I live not far from there, between Dayton and Columbus.

 

[KathrynAragon]

They weren't "sent" there. They moved there for the prospect of work and to be around other Haitians who'd already moved there - the same phenomenon that's been populating and growing our nation since before it formally existed.
Why is your solution stagnation instead of building to accommodate them?

Building an infrastructure does take time.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Building an infrastructure does take time.

Sure, but we're not talking about that much more people and we're not talking about more than the city has, historically been able to accommodate.

As of 2020, the city had about 58,000 people. As recently as 2000, it had 65,000:

Springfield, Ohio - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In 1940, it had over 70,000:

Springfield, Ohio At a Glance – page 25

typed overview of Springfield as a desirable location for business and industry

archives.ccplohio.org

I didn't bother finding anything between 1940 and 2000, but if my experience elsewhere in the rust belt is any indication, the population was probably pretty steady throughout that period. I'd guess that it peaked a bit higher than that in the 60's or 70's and then started turning down in the 80's or early 90's.

The estimates I've seen for the number of Haitians who've moved to the city is between 12-15,000. Even if we assume that none of them were counted in the 2020 census (which is probably mostly correct, but not entirely correct), that would still only put the total number of people up around the 70,000 mark that the city managed to accommodate for most of the second half of the 20th century. Yes, there's going to be some strain, but it's not an insurmountable problem. You already have the roads and sewers, and most of the buildings and other utilities you need. You probably need help with labor-intensive services like hospitals and schools. It'll take work, but it's doable.

 

[KathrynAragon]

Sure, but we're not talking about that much more people and we're not talking about more than the city has, historically been able to accommodate.

As of 2020, the city had about 58,000 people. As recently as 2000, it had 65,000:

Springfield, Ohio - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In 1940, it had over 70,000:

Springfield, Ohio At a Glance – page 25

typed overview of Springfield as a desirable location for business and industry

archives.ccplohio.org

I didn't bother finding anything between 1940 and 2000, but if my experience elsewhere in the rust belt is any indication, the population was probably pretty steady throughout that period. I'd guess that it peaked a bit higher than that in the 60's or 70's and then started turning down in the 80's or early 90's.

The estimates I've seen for the number of Haitians who've moved to the city is between 12-15,000. Even if we assume that none of them were counted in the 2020 census (which is probably mostly correct, but not entirely correct), that would still only put the total number of people up around the 70,000 mark that the city managed to accommodate for most of the second half of the 20th century. Yes, there's going to be some strain, but it's not an insurmountable problem. You already have the roads and sewers, and most of the buildings and other utilities you need. You probably need help with labor-intensive services like hospitals and schools. It'll take work, but it's doable.

The main issues were not with housing, though there were some. But it was schools and medical facilities and basically everything else. Try a town of 50k suddenly in two years growing to nearly 70K. That's a lot of growth to accommodate. And they aren't close enough to either big city to commute.

 

[DaisyDay]

The main issues were not with housing, though there were some. But it was schools and medical facilities and basically everything else. Try a town of 50k suddenly in two years growing to nearly 70K. That's a lot of growth to accommodate. And they aren't close enough to either big city to commute.

Is that any excuse to declare over and over to a national audience,” They’re eating the cats. They’re eating the dogs. They’re eating the pets”?

Sure, with growth there are growing pains but it appears that the Haitians have been a net positive for Springfield.

 

[RoBo1988]

Yeah, insults are bad arguments. Do you have anything of substance to say?

Where is the insult? Isn't Joy Reid and MSNBC the pinnacle of fair and balanced journalism?

 

[KathrynAragon]

Is that any excuse to declare over and over to a national audience,” They’re eating the cats. They’re eating the dogs. They’re eating the pets”?

Sure, with growth there are growing pains but it appears that the Haitians have been a net positive for Springfield.

I've already voted and did not vote for Trump. So you are barking up the wrong tree.

 

[DaisyDay]

I've already voted and did not vote for Trump.

Good for you.

So you are barking up the wrong tree.

I don't see a discussion as barking up a tree. But yeah, you may be a wrong tree if you can't discuss the issues.

Where is the insult? Isn't Joy Reid and MSNBC the pinnacle of fair and balanced journalism?

Dog whistle.

 

[rjs330]

Why is your solution stagnation instead of building to accommodate them?

When do you do that? Right now people come and just willy nilly go wherever. Putting a burden on the infrastructure. It takes time to build that up. We should be creating the infrastructure ahead of time. We aren't dealing with wealthy people, but poor people. Who don't have money and will not generate enough to build what needs to be built. This cou try is not set up for this. Stop the huge influx of people and do this properly. Allowing in only the amount rhat we can provide the services for.

We don't have the money and organization to do this right now.

 

[Lukaris]

Elsewhere in Ohio:

Ohio town struggling after influx of illegal immigrants: ‘I don’t know how they found our small village’

Officials warn that they are facing an economic shortfall as a result and that the quality of life is being affected.

nypost.com

 

[KathrynAragon]

Good for you.

I don't see a discussion as barking up a tree. But yeah, you may be a wrong tree if you can't discuss the issues.

Dog whistle.

Oh I can discuss the issues.
Whether or not I choose to discuss them with you remains to be seen.

 

[DaisyDay]

Oh I can discuss the issues.
Whether or not I choose to discuss them with you remains to be seen.

Can't or won't amounts to the same thing.

I'll just discuss issues with other people willing to do so. Good day, ma'am.

 

[KathrynAragon]

Can't or won't amounts to the same thing.

I'll just discuss issues with other people willing to do so. Good day, ma'am.

Good day to you, ma"am! ("Can't" and "won't" don't mean the same thing, which is why they have different definitions.)

 

[RoBo1988]

Whitewater WI...

How a small Wisconsin community is responding to a recent migrant surge

Complications resulting from an influx of migrants aren’t limited to big cities like New York and Chicago. PBS Wisconsin’s Nathan Denzin went to the small city of Whitewater in southern Wisconsin and reports on the effects there.

www.pbs.org

How the border surge upended a small Wisconsin town

To its residents, Whitewater, Wisconsin, was a sleepy college town of about 15,000 — until a thousand migrants arrived in 2022 and 2023, straining the community’s resources beyond the breaking point.

www.washingtontimes.com

 

[rjs330]

Whitewater WI...

How a small Wisconsin community is responding to a recent migrant surge

Complications resulting from an influx of migrants aren’t limited to big cities like New York and Chicago. PBS Wisconsin’s Nathan Denzin went to the small city of Whitewater in southern Wisconsin and reports on the effects there.

www.pbs.org

How the border surge upended a small Wisconsin town

To its residents, Whitewater, Wisconsin, was a sleepy college town of about 15,000 — until a thousand migrants arrived in 2022 and 2023, straining the community’s resources beyond the breaking point.

www.washingtontimes.com

This seems to be pointing out what we have been saying all along. Illegal immigrants and masses of asylum seekers are putting a strain on our communities. It's obvious people have compassion for them. We all do. But we are not prepared for the problems they bring with them. Just letting them flood the communities is wrong headed. They shouldn't be allowed to do that. We need to seal rhe border now, get this under control, remove the fakes and illegals and start building a system where only the number of people we can prepare for will be allowed in. People who are properly vetted before being released.