Mary was a good person and had a sinful nature like all of us.

[RileyG]

Mary is never called the "Queen of Heaven" nor does her being the mother of Jesus make her that. There is no queen in heaven. Just a king.

Lol no.

Jesus is the fulfillment of the Davidic monarchy.

The Queen WAS ALWAYS his mother, the queen mother. She always sat at his right hand.

 

[NotUrAvgGuy]

Per your posts, you don’t seem to understand the Church’s teaching at all. Maybe read the catechism instead of CARM.

What don't you think I understand? What is CARM?

 

[RileyG]

What don't you think I understand? What is CARM?

You have misinterpreted Catholic teachings over and over again.

CARM is a Calvinist website.

God bless

 

[NotUrAvgGuy]

Per your posts, you don’t seem to understand the Church’s teaching at all. Maybe read the catechism instead of CARM.

I did not know CARM by name. I think I may have read one of their articles but it is not a site I frequent. Without any examples of doctrines you claim I have not understood, I can't respond.

 

[RileyG]

I did not know CARM by name. I think I may have read one of their articles but it is not a site I frequent. Without any examples of doctrines you claim I have not understood, I can't respond.

The Marian dogmas. Per the teachings of the Church, you don’t seem to understand them.

 

[NotUrAvgGuy]

The Marian dogmas. Per the teachings of the Church, you don’t seem to understand them.

I understand them just fine.

 

[David Lamb]

In order for Jesus to be sinless, his mother had to be sinless. She cannot give her son what she does not have.

God saved Mary from inheriting Adam's sin at the instant of her conception so that her DNA would be as pure as Eve's was at the time of her creation. Mary's DNA had to be pure in order for Jesus' DNA to be pure.

That doesn't make any sense. Mary didn't have sinless parents. Jesus as Son of God had a sinless Father, so what need was there for Mary to be sinless in order for Jesus to be so? You say that God caused her to be born sinless, despite having two parents who were not sinless. Why could God not cause His own Son to be born sinless, even if His mother wasn't? Anyway, sin isn't passed on via DNA.

 

[Valletta]

The reference to mythology cannot be ignored, however, for it invites comparison with the mythological goddess who was known as Queen of Heaven - the Egyptian Isis. She was entitled Our Lady, Queen of Heaven, and Immaculate Virgin. According to Chaldean beliefs, Semiramis (the wife of Nimus or Nimrod), was exalted to divinity with the title "Queen of Heaven". As the Christian church gradually took over temples of Isis and the image of the Earth Mother, complete with the Mother and Child statues, it appeared as if those became incorporated into the Catholic religious system – but not by all Christians. Many early-century groups refused to go there.

The prophecy that said the Messiah would sit on the throne of David does not require that every aspect of human kingship is practiced in heaven. It may have been common practice for a queen mother of an earthly king was called a queen but that doesn't mean the same holds true in heaven.

You should not try to associate paganism with Christians that do no share your own personal beliefs. This certainly is not what Jesus teaches. In the Davidic kingdom, beginning with Solomon, the mother of the king is the queen. And the mother of Jesus is shown in Revelation as wearing a crown. I respect your opinion, you have every right to disagree, but please respect those Christians who can see this in the Bible --again no need to try to associate other Christians with paganism.

I have read some Catholic writers say Mary will sit at Jesus' right hand yet Jesus said:

"But to sit on My right or on My left is not Mine to give; but it is for those for whom it has been prepared.” (Mark 10:40)

This would have been an opportune time for Jesus to say Mary would sit at his right hand but He leaves it a mystery.

I've heard converts to the Catholic Church a number of times say they have read passages in the Bible but their minds went right over the words until they became Catholic. The queen sitting at the right hand of the king is spoken of in the Bible:

Psalm 45:9 daughters of kings are among your ladies of honor;
at your right hand stands the queen in gold of Ophir. RSVCE

1 Kings 2:19 19 So Bathshe′ba went to King Solomon, to speak to him on behalf of Adoni′jah. And the king rose to meet her, and bowed down to her; then he sat on his throne, and had a seat brought for the king’s mother; and she sat on his right. RSVCE

 

[rturner76]

God the Father is Jesus’s Father, not the Holy Spirit.

I was under the impression that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary. And I was under the impression that the triune God Father Son and Holy Spirit are one the same

 

[RileyG]

I was under the impression that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary. And I was under the impression that the triune God Father Son and Holy Spirit are one the same

Correct.


Three persons, one God.

 

[RileyG]

I understand them just fine.

Per your posts, you don’t. Read the catechism instead of evangelical comments on what the Church teaches.

 

[NotUrAvgGuy]

You should not try to associate paganism with Christians that do no share your own personal beliefs. This certainly is not what Jesus teaches. In the Davidic kingdom, beginning with Solomon, the mother of the king is the queen. And the mother of Jesus is shown in Revelation as wearing a crown. I respect your opinion, you have every right to disagree, but please respect those Christians who can see this in the Bible --again no need to try to associate other Christians with paganism.

I've heard converts to the Catholic Church a number of times say they have read passages in the Bible but their minds went right over the words until they became Catholic. The queen sitting at the right hand of the king is spoken of in the Bible:

Psalm 45:9 daughters of kings are among your ladies of honor;
at your right hand stands the queen in gold of Ophir. RSVCE

1 Kings 2:19 19 So Bathshe′ba went to King Solomon, to speak to him on behalf of Adoni′jah. And the king rose to meet her, and bowed down to her; then he sat on his throne, and had a seat brought for the king’s mother; and she sat on his right. RSVCE

The earthly practice of having the Queen Mother sit beside her son does not mean that is the practice in heaven. The practice is thought to have started because kings often have multiple wives so which one would sit beside him? It is interesting to note that David's mother is never named nor depicted as sitting beside him. While his son Solomon had his mother beside him, David's mother is never mentioned. None of this requires this earthly practice be found in heaven. That is an assumption. I have written elsewhere that I do not believe the woman depicted in Rev 12 is Mary.

In Revelation 12, the woman's child was taken up to heaven immediately after his birth. That did not happen to Jesus. There are other aspects of the story that do not fit Mary. The only person the Bible describes as ruling from heaven is God. No doubt Mary will be there but she is never described as ruling in heaven.

I only mentioned the pagan stories about heavenly queens just to show that other religions had similar thoughts just as other religions have flood stories. I forgot to give the reference, but I was quoting someone else, and that was his thought that these pagan "queens" may have influenced Catholicism. I did not intend that as my personal view. Many non-Christians have accused Christians of borrowing from pagan beliefs. I am not afraid of their criticisms, and it's useful to understand them while not agreeing. I did not mean to imply the Catholic belief of Mary as "queen of heaven" had pagan origins.

 

[NotUrAvgGuy]

Per your posts, you don’t. Read the catechism instead of evangelical comments on what the Church teaches.

I have read the catechisms. You just disagree with my analysis.

 

[KathrynAragon]

I have read the catechisms. You just disagree with my analysis.

As a Catholic convert, I am sorry you feel this way.


There are over 35,000 different Protestant denominations so I am sure I cannot speak for all of them but many of them adhere to theology from the Catholic church. You know what got me? Not Marian doctrine! But several things. First of all, I always loved Communion. Secondly, I was so shocked that there were 73 books in the bible instead of 66. I had truly never heard of 73 books but I promise you that every single person who had been through seminary had heard of them.

 

[RileyG]

I have read the catechisms. You just disagree with my analysis.

I don’t since you are misinformed.

God bless you

 

[RileyG]

The earthly practice of having the Queen Mother sit beside her son does not mean that is the practice in heaven. The practice is thought to have started because kings often have multiple wives so which one would sit beside him? It is interesting to note that David's mother is never named nor depicted as sitting beside him. While his son Solomon had his mother beside him, David's mother is never mentioned. None of this requires this earthly practice be found in heaven. That is an assumption. I have written elsewhere that I do not believe the woman depicted in Rev 12 is Mary.

In Revelation 12, the woman's child was taken up to heaven immediately after his birth. That did not happen to Jesus. There are other aspects of the story that do not fit Mary. The only person the Bible describes as ruling from heaven is God. No doubt Mary will be there but she is never described as ruling in heaven.

I only mentioned the pagan stories about heavenly queens just to show that other religions had similar thoughts just as other religions have flood stories. I forgot to give the reference, but I was quoting someone else, and that was his thought that these pagan "queens" may have influenced Catholicism. I did not intend that as my personal view. Many non-Christians have accused Christians of borrowing from pagan beliefs. I am not afraid of their criticisms, and it's useful to understand them while not agreeing. I did not mean to imply the Catholic belief of Mary as "queen of heaven" had pagan origins.

Again, to Mary’s ears in the first century she knew she was going to be Queen since she gave birth to a KING.

 

[NotUrAvgGuy]

I don’t since you are misinformed.

God bless you

If you won't cite any examples, your comments are meaningless.

 

[Valletta]

The earthly practice of having the Queen Mother sit beside her son does not mean that is the practice in heaven. The practice is thought to have started because kings often have multiple wives so which one would sit beside him? It is interesting to note that David's mother is never named nor depicted as sitting beside him. While his son Solomon had his mother beside him, David's mother is never mentioned. None of this requires this earthly practice be found in heaven. That is an assumption. I have written elsewhere that I do not believe the woman depicted in Rev 12 is Mary.

In Revelation 12, the woman's child was taken up to heaven immediately after his birth. That did not happen to Jesus. There are other aspects of the story that do not fit Mary. The only person the Bible describes as ruling from heaven is God. No doubt Mary will be there but she is never described as ruling in heaven.

I only mentioned the pagan stories about heavenly queens just to show that other religions had similar thoughts just as other religions have flood stories. I forgot to give the reference, but I was quoting someone else, and that was his thought that these pagan "queens" may have influenced Catholicism. I did not intend that as my personal view. Many non-Christians have accused Christians of borrowing from pagan beliefs. I am not afraid of their criticisms, and it's useful to understand them while not agreeing. I did not mean to imply the Catholic belief of Mary as "queen of heaven" had pagan origins.

The queen mother does not "rule." She is respected because of the king.

Luke 1:43 And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? RSVCE

The queen makes requests to the king on behalf of the people. As at the wedding at Cana, Mary makes a request, not a demand or order.

Certainly Israel is not a woman, nor does Israel wear clothes. The plain meaning of the mother of Jesus is Mary. But although you choose to pick only one meaning, in fact many understand that there are allusions to more than one interpretation.

 

[RileyG]

If you won't cite any examples, your comments are meaningless.

There are plenty or examples cited when people responded to you.

I have nothing more to add.

God bless

 

[RileyG]

The queen mother does not "rule." She is respected because of the king.

Luke 1:43 And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? RSVCE

The queen makes requests to the king on behalf of the people. As at the wedding at Cana, Mary makes a request, not a demand or order.

Certainly Israel is not a woman, nor does Israel wear clothes. The plain meaning of the mother of Jesus is Mary. But although you choose to pick only one meaning, in fact many understand that there are allusions to more than one interpretation.

Well said.