Kamala Harris mocks Trump call for mass deportation of illegal immigrants

[Valletta]

I notice that Biden wanted more Border Patrol agents on the boarder, and wanted courts to more quickly process people to determine who needed to leave. So maybe you mean Trump, who did what he could to stop more enforcement? It suits Trump and his handlers to not fix it. And so here we are. Why do you think he sabotaged the bipartisan bill to add more Border Patrol officers and more courts to more quickly determine who should stay and who is illegally here? He and his patrons have a vested interest in keeping the system broken.

What Joe says and what Joe does are two different things. Migrant children are being sex trafficked because of Joe and Kamala. Those that live have their lives ruined. Joe and Kamala won't help them.

 

[mindlight]

Trump has repeatedly pledged to carry out the country’s largest-ever deportation operation after record-setting numbers of illegal US-Mexico border crossings under President Biden.

Polling shows that the idea has majority support among voters ahead of the Nov. 5 election.

A Scripps News/Ipsos poll released Wednesday found that 54% of Americans “strongly” or “somewhat” support the mass deportation of illegal immigrants, while 43% are opposed.

A CBS News/YouGov survey released in June found that 53% of Hispanic registered voters favor expelling all undocumented immigrants — and 50% support the construction of federal holding facilities to house them before deportation.

“Kamala Harris is out of touch,” said Trump campaign spokeswoman Karoline Leavitt.

Kamala Harris mocks Trump call for mass deportation of illegal immigrants

A Scripps News/Ipsos poll released Wednesday found that 54% of Americans “strongly” or “somewhat” support the mass deportation of illegal immigrants, while 43% are opposed.

nypost.com

What was this about Democracy again?

Not sure why Hispanics are regarded as such a threat by Americans. Is this a comfort zone thing tied in with a racist feel for my white neighborhood being polluted by brown-skinned people? Is this a Protestant feeling that Catholics will push the country to ruin and corruption like in the banana republics of South America? Or is it a general expression that for most Americans times are not that good, the benefits of growth are going entirely to the super-rich and immigrants threaten wages that are already not sufficient to meet the demands of lifestyles?

Only the last reason makes much sense to me, but the better answer to that frustration is to challenge the privileges of the rich elite with a fairer taxation system, infrastructure projects, and a proper welfare state. Social mobility can be kickstarted again and equality of opportunity rather than just building walls to safeguard unreformed structures. Immigration is good for the economy and stopping it is not so good.

 

[Valletta]

Not sure why Hispanics are regarded as such a threat by Americans. Is this a comfort zone thing tied in with a racist feel for my white neighborhood being polluted by brown-skinned people?

DEI and CRT promote racism against all races. The radical left who have taken over the leadership of Democrats are being rejected as more and more people see their policies for what they really are. Trump is pro-immigrant, his wife is an immigrant to this country, and also takes his oath of office seriously. That means he has no time for those who enter our country illegally. Legal immigrants new to this country are often victims of the illegals, and be assured Trump will get the criminals out of this country as quickly as is feasible so legal immigrants can live the American dream.

 

[BPPLEE]

You have a disconnect there. Your article is about crimes faced by these immigrants. Where does it say the crimes they face are done by those same immigrants? It doesn't. Hence, it makes no sense to post an article about crimes faced by immigrants in reply to a comment pointing out that immigrants commit less crimes that native citizens of USA.

The fact that they are victims of so many crimes is a good reason that they shouldn’t come here.

 

[BPPLEE]

Not sure why Hispanics are regarded as such a threat by Americans. Is this a comfort zone thing tied in with a racist feel for my white neighborhood being polluted by brown-skinned people? Is this a Protestant feeling that Catholics will push the country to ruin and corruption like in the banana republics of South America? Or is it a general expression that for most Americans times are not that good, the benefits of growth are going entirely to the super-rich and immigrants threaten wages that are already not sufficient to meet the demands of lifestyles?

Only the last reason makes much sense to me, but the better answer to that frustration is to challenge the privileges of the rich elite with a fairer taxation system, infrastructure projects, and a proper welfare state. Social mobility can be kickstarted again and equality of opportunity rather than just building walls to safeguard unreformed structures. Immigration is good for the economy and stopping it is not so good.

You forgot the main reason IT’S ILLEGAL

 

[7thKeeper]

The fact that they are victims of so many crimes is a good reason that they shouldn’t come here.

What does that have to do with immigrants being less likely to commit crimes? That was the post you were replying to.

 

[The Barbarian]

What Joe says and what Joe does are two different things.

In this case, what Joe did was send a bill to Congress that would have greatly reduced illegal crossings of the border, and sped up deportation hearings for those here illegally. That's what Joe said he wanted, and that's what he did to get it. What Trump did, was tell his minions in Congress to kill it at all costs.

What Trump says and what Trump does are two different things. He's just counting on his followers to be gullible enough to not realize it.

 

[The Barbarian]

The fact that they are victims of so many crimes is a good reason that they shouldn’t come here.

Turns out all disadvantaged people are at higher risk of crime.

Poor people are more likely to be victims of violent crimes, says report

A nonprofit organization studied the relationship between poverty and crime at both state and national levels, concluding that poor people are more likely to be victims of violent crimes.

www.wesh.com

Here's the deal; crime rates tend to be higher where they are coming from. So it's a win-win for them. If you really do feel compassion for such people, the compassionate thing to do would be to let them be where they are safer.

Not sure that's the governing goal here. Not only are illegal immigrants less dangerous to the rest of us than are our fellow native-born Americans, those immigrants are also generally safer here than they would be in their countries of origin.

 

[BPPLEE]

What does that have to do with immigrants being less likely to commit crimes? That was the post you were replying to.

And here is the link I posted

Google Search

I brought up another topic too,
Sorry you have a problem with that. Move on

 

[BPPLEE]

What does that have to do with immigrants being less likely to commit crimes? That was the post you were replying to.

To state what should be obvious: Illegal aliens blocked at the border or who are quickly removed from the country cannot inflict harm on Americans because they are not present. That means every single crime committed by an illegally present immigrant was preventable and should never have happened, whereas the Department of Homeland Security detention and removal machine cannot prevent a single crime by an American citizen.

All crimes committed by illegal aliens represent an unnecessary and preventable burden on American society and its criminal justice system.



These differences between the two groups mean that comparing their crime rates isn’t even apples-to-oranges, but apples-to-rocks, and invalid from the start.



The libertarians and progressives who created and purveyed the citizen-versus-illegals crime-rate comparison debate should be called out for their campaign of misdirection. It has helped neutralize the deserved political backlash against these 100 percent unnecessary extra crimes and blunted political momentum for policy remedies that would reduce the illegal immigration that caused them. The mass illegal immigration continues while those who either favor or disfavor illegal immigration wage their battles over the invalid question of relative crime rates.
Source CIS

 

[rjs330]

But it's in the best interests of Trump's backers to keep it the way it is.

Incorrect, it appears to be Harris backers too. Because it's the left who keeps arguing that it's a good thing, like you. And the democrats continue to do nothing about it either. Even the bill that everyone claims was sabotaged by Trump allowed in thousands of illegals per day. In the end there were democrats who didn't support the bill either. And Democrats have never supported shutting down the border or deporting the illegals. Economically they like the illegals here. They keep arguingvtgat it's good they are here. Like you.

Until the late 1800s, that's how it worked. Today, it's a bit more complicated. Not as easy as that.

Yeah we do a lot of things differently now than we did in the 1800s.

No, they just took a look at the economic facts.

Nope, they are single minded on this issue. They want them here.

I notice that Biden wanted more Border Patrol agents on the boarder, and wanted courts to more quickly process people to determine who needed to leave.

This us disingenuous. Biden didn't do anything for 3 1/2 years. Then this bill comes out and is flushed, not just by Republicans, but also democrats because of all the garbage that was in it. Like allowing thousands of illegals in a day. Perhaps he might have gotten it through if he would have focused it only on more border patrol and courts to determine if the person really fit asylum. So they could leave post haste.

But that's not all that was in the bill.

He did, and took credit for it:

No he didn't. He said he wouldn't support the bill because its a bad bill. He said senators didn't want to support a bad bill and told then to go ahead and blame it in him. He didn't order them to do anything. Like I said it was a bad bill. Just because there are things in a bill that are good, doesn't mean it's a goid bill. Democrats also saw this a voted against it as well. And I doubt very much that they did so because Trump didn't support it.

 

[BCP1928]

You forgot the main reason IT’S ILLEGAL

So deport the illegals. We are, and we should be increasing our capacity to detect and remove more of them. But Trump is also talking about summarily removing asylum seekers and refugees like the Haitians who are here legally.

 

[rjs330]

To state what should be obvious: Illegal aliens blocked at the border or who are quickly removed from the country cannot inflict harm on Americans because they are not present. That means every single crime committed by an illegally present immigrant was preventable and should never have happened, whereas the Department of Homeland Security detention and removal machine cannot prevent a single crime by an American citizen.

All crimes committed by illegal aliens represent an unnecessary and preventable burden on American society and its criminal justice system.



These differences between the two groups mean that comparing their crime rates isn’t even apples-to-oranges, but apples-to-rocks, and invalid from the start.



The libertarians and progressives who created and purveyed the citizen-versus-illegals crime-rate comparison debate should be called out for their campaign of misdirection. It has helped neutralize the deserved political backlash against these 100 percent unnecessary extra crimes and blunted political momentum for policy remedies that would reduce the illegal immigration that caused them. The mass illegal immigration continues while those who either favor or disfavor illegal immigration wage their battles over the invalid question of relative crime rates.
Source CIS

I think it's a smoke screen. You are right 100%. It's a simple question. Would crime rates go down if all the illegals were removed? The answer is yes. Every single victim of crime from illegals would not be a victim if they weren't here in the first place. Every single person that crosses the border should be thoroughly vetted before being allowed in.

 

[rjs330]

So deport the illegals. We are, and we should be increasing our capacity to detect and remove more of them. But Trump is also talking about summarily removing asylum seekers and refugees like the Haitians who are here legally.

The majority of asylum seekers are here fraudulently. They are lying about thier status just to get in. Once here they are extremely difficult to get rid of. Especially if they can have a child while here. Asylees should be placed in detention facilities until thier cases are adjudicated. Then if they are truly in need of asylum, I'm all for letting them in. But most just want to leave thier miserable lives they have in their terrible corrupt countries.

 

[BPPLEE]

So deport the illegals. We are, and we should be increasing our capacity to detect and remove more of them. But Trump is also talking about summarily removing asylum seekers and refugees like the Haitians who are here legally.

Something does need to be done about the lax way we have let "asylum seekers " invade the country the last four years

 

[FreeinChrist]

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[Fantine]

Reagan gave immigrants amnesty, and 40.years later they are fully assimilated.

They are productive, good citizens, friends and neighbors.

 

[The Barbarian]

Reagan gave immigrants amnesty, and 40.years later they are fully assimilated.

Reagan had it right....

And that's about all I have to say tonight, except for one thing. The past few days when I've been at that window upstairs, I've thought a bit of the ``shining city upon a hill.'' The phrase comes from John Winthrop, who wrote it to describe the America he imagined. What he imagined was important because he was an early Pilgrim, an early freedom man. He journeyed here on what today we'd call a little wooden boat; and like the other Pilgrims, he was looking for a home that would be free.

I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, wind-swept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.
Ronald Reagan Farewell Address

This was before the right had lost faith in America and in democracy, and in the transforming power of the American way. Reagan correctly predicted that those immigrants would become good and productive Americans. He knew it didn't matter what race or religion they were, or where they came from; he knew America would take them in and make them Americans.

He would have thrown Donald Trump out of a window.

 

[The Barbarian]

Would crime rates go down if all the illegals were removed?

The data we have suggests the opposite. Immigrants, even illegal immigrants are less prone to crime than are native-born Americans.

About a quarter of Americans surveyed incorrectly believe it is "true" that immigrants are more likely to commit crimes or be in prison than people born in the U.S., according to the NPR/Ipsos poll. But studies counter that argument.


"U.S.-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes," according to a 2020 study from the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

Many Americans believe these false claims about immigrants

As the November midterm elections near, political candidates and TV ads are pushing inaccurate and misleading claims abo

www.politifact.com

In fact the crime rate would go up, since there would then be more crimes per 10,000 residents. Deporting people less likely to commit crimes would automatically make that happen.

 

[rjs330]

The data we have suggests the opposite. Immigrants, even illegal immigrants are less prone to crime than are native-born Americans.

About a quarter of Americans surveyed incorrectly believe it is "true" that immigrants are more likely to commit crimes or be in prison than people born in the U.S., according to the NPR/Ipsos poll. But studies counter that argument.


"U.S.-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes," according to a 2020 study from the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

Many Americans believe these false claims about immigrants

As the November midterm elections near, political candidates and TV ads are pushing inaccurate and misleading claims abo

www.politifact.com

In fact the crime rate would go up, since there would then be more crimes per 10,000 residents. Deporting people less likely to commit crimes would automatically make that happen.

Crime rates in this case are deceiving. And it's maintain that we still have no real idea how many illegals commit crimes.

I could list a bunch of crimes illegals have committed. Those Crimes against Americans would not have occurred had rhe illegal not been here. The actual NUMBER of these crimes would go down. Thats what matters. We would have fewer victims of crime. And that's what matters.

Are you for open borders?