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Kamala Harris mocks Trump call for mass deportation of illegal immigrants

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It's a fair question. How does he plan to accomplish a mass deportation? The obvious answer? He can't accomplish it! An impossible endeavor! He would need to initiate an army to go door to door and search every home in the USA, drag out people who don't have papers and throw them into a temporary facility until deported. Sound kind of familiar? We were here several times throughout history. Remember?
Lo0cal authorities know quite a bit. They can't do anything about them.
Additionally , we can count on complete chaos in the field of food harvesting first, where 70% of the industry are immigrants . Then the building industry, hospitality industry, restaurant industry etc., etc. What Americans fail to realize is the " backbone" of our nation relies heavily on immigrant labor. To think not is ignorant.
Complete chaos? We can return the situation we had before. Also get rid of certain regulations making it easier for private citizens to produce livestock for sale to eat.
 
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Trump's handlers let him rant about it, but his wealthy backers know better. Here's why it's not going to happen.

A 2012 United States Department of Agriculture Economic Research Service study used a simulation analysis to estimate the impact a 5.8-million-person reduction in the number of unauthorized workers—agricultural and nonagricultural. This was compared to a base forecast which simulated how the economy would evolve under current laws and policies.

The unauthorized workforce was assumed to decrease by 2.1 million over the first 5 years. In Year 5, the unauthorized workforce in the U.S. economy as a whole would be 4.0 million people smaller than in the base forecast. Growth in the unauthorized workforce was assumed to resume thereafter but at a slower pace than in the base forecast. By Year 15, the projected size of the unauthorized workforce was 8.5 million, compared with 14.3 million in the base forecast, a difference of 5.8 million, or 40%.

Here is a summary of the study’s findings.

The long-run results from the decreased unauthorized labor supply showed a reduction in the labor supply to agriculture with effects on agricultural output and exports. Fruit, tree nuts, vegetables, and nursery production were among the most affected sectors with long-run relative declines of 2.0% to 5.4% in output and 2.5% to 9.3% in exports. These effects were smaller in other, less labor-intensive, parts of agriculture—a 1.6% to 4.9% decrease in output and a 0.3% to 7.4% decrease in exports.

The number of unauthorized workers employed as farmworkers fell by between 34.1% and 38.8 %, relative to the base forecast for Year 15. The number of farmworkers who were either U.S.-born or foreign-born, permanent residents increased by about 2.4% to 4.0% in the long run, compared with the base forecast, and their wage rate increased by 3.3% to 7.5%. However, the increased farm employment of U.S.-born and other permanent resident workers was not sufficient to offset the decrease in unauthorized farmworkers. As a result, the total number of farmworkers decreased by 3.4% to 5.5%.

Model results suggested that wages would rise for U.S.-born and other permanent resident workers, relative to the base forecast, in some lower paying occupations where unauthorized workers are common, decrease slightly in many higher paying occupations, and decrease on average. Several factors accounted for the slight decrease in earnings. First, the decrease in the supply of unauthorized labor lead to a long-run relative decrease in production, not just in agriculture but in all sectors of the economy. This, in turn, reduced incomes to many complementary factors of production, including U.S.-born and foreign-born, permanent resident workers in higher paying occupations. Second, with the departure of so many unauthorized workers, the occupational distribution of U.S.-born and other permanent resident workers necessarily shifted in the direction of more hired farm work and other lower paying occupations, such as food service, child care, and housekeeping, and away from higher paying occupations which is a much larger category. The effect of this compositional change was to reduce the average real wage for U.S.-born and foreign-born, permanent resident workers in all sectors of the economy, even as real wages in many lower paying occupations rose.

In the long term, overall gross national product accruing to U.S.-born and foreign-born, permanent residents would fall by about 1%, compared with the base forecast. This result indicated that the negative economic effects generated by the departure of a significant portion of the labor force outweighed the positive effects on the wages of U.S.-born workers and other permanent residents employed in lower paying occupations.


It would cause economic harm with no observable benefits. You'll hear a lot of talk to keep the racist fringe excited, but it's not going to happen.
Absolutely incorrect. We don't need illegals to do this. It's a fraudulent lie perpetrated by people who want to.let illegals in to stay.

If we really do need theae workers then we can do it another way. Such as work visas. We don't need the illegals.
 
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... Did you actually read the article?
Yes, inviting them to come to the US hurts migrants. They are the victims of crimes on the way here and are taken advantage of and paid low wages when they get here
 
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It's a fair question. How does he plan to accomplish a mass deportation? The obvious answer? He can't accomplish it! An impossible endeavor! He would need to initiate an army to go door to door and search every home in the USA, drag out people who don't have papers and throw them into a temporary facility until deported. Sound kind of familiar? We were here several times throughout history. Remember?
Additionally , we can count on complete chaos in the field of food harvesting first, where 70% of the industry are immigrants . Then the building industry, hospitality industry, restaurant industry etc., etc. What Americans fail to realize is the " backbone" of our nation relies heavily on immigrant labor. To think not is ignorant.
Exactly. It won’t happen. It makes for great campaign rhetoric but otherwise empty promises.
 
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Absolutely incorrect. We don't need illegals to do this.
Your denial against economists who actually have the data... um... sorry, you lose.

It's a fraudulent lie perpetrated by people who want to.let illegals in to stay.
Ah yes, "THEY ARE ALL LYING!!!! ALL OF THEM ARE LYING!!!" Sorry, that won't work, either. Try to learn about the subject and form a cogent argument.

If we really do need theae workers then we can do it another way.
Of course we could. But it suits Trump and his handlers to not fix it. And so here we are. Why do you think he sabotaged the bipartisan bill to add more Border Patrol officers and more courts to more quickly determine who should stay and who is illegally here? He and his patrons have a vested interest in keeping the system broken.

Such as work visas. We don't need the illegals.
We need their labor. And we could do what you suggest. It's just that it suits those corporations and politicians to keep it the way it is.
 
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Yes, inviting them to come to the US hurts migrants. They are the victims of crimes on the way here and are taken advantage of and paid low wages when they get here
The post you replied to was about how migrants are less likely to commit crimes. How does what you posted have anything to do with that?
 
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The post you replied to was about how migrants are less likely to commit crimes. How does what you posted have anything to do with that?
The link I posted had to do with that, and who do you think it is that is committing the crimes against migrants, like rape?
 
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The link I posted had to do with that, and who do you think it is that is committing the crimes against migrants, like rape?
According to Texas criminal records, mostly native-born Americans.
 
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No, here. Moving through other countries, the refugees have been preyed on by citizens of those countries as well.
There's no telling what happens to them here because many are afraid to report it.
 
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Your denial against economists who actually have the data... um... sorry, you lose.
Incorrect. The economists rely on the fact that we do have illegals. We have them, they do stuff. I'm we dont need them to be illegal. We need them to be legal.

If they are correct then we should just close down ICE and border patrol and let them in. You know open borders.
yes, "THEY ARE ALL LYING!!!! ALL OF THEM ARE LYING!!!" Sorry, that won't work, either. Try to learn about the subject and form a cogent argument.
Yes, they are lying because they want illegals here to stay. Everyone should just be honest and admit they want no border and want as many people to come as want to.
Of course we could. But it suits Trump and his handlers to not fix it. And so here we are. Why do you think he sabotaged the bipartisan bill to add more Border Patrol officers and more courts to more quickly determine who should stay and who is illegally here? He and his patrons have a vested interest in keeping the system broken.
He didn't sabotage anything. You haven't proven he did. The bill was stopped by Republicans and democrats becauae it allowed so many illegals in before any provisions took affect. It failed becauae it was a lousy bill that only made things worse.
 
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Incorrect. The economists rely on the fact that we do have illegals. We have them, they do stuff. I'm we dont need them to be illegal. We need them to be legal.
Economically, no. The problem is that overtly breaking the law is a bad idea, even if it works economically. And making them legal would be the right fix. But it's in the best interests of Trump's backers to keep it the way it is.

If they are correct then we should just close down ICE and border patrol and let them in. You know open borders.
Until the late 1800s, that's how it worked. Today, it's a bit more complicated. Not as easy as that.

Yes, they are lying because they want illegals here to stay.
No, they just took a look at the economic facts.

Everyone should just be honest and admit they want no border and want as many people to come as want to.
I notice that Biden wanted more Border Patrol agents on the boarder, and wanted courts to more quickly process people to determine who needed to leave. So maybe you mean Trump, who did what he could to stop more enforcement? It suits Trump and his handlers to not fix it. And so here we are. Why do you think he sabotaged the bipartisan bill to add more Border Patrol officers and more courts to more quickly determine who should stay and who is illegally here? He and his patrons have a vested interest in keeping the system broken.

He didn't sabotage anything.
He did, and took credit for it:

'Blame it on me': Trump appears to boast about working to sink border bill

Speaking at a campaign rally in Nevada, former President Donald Trump appeared to boast about successfully getting Republicans to try and scuttle any attempts at a bipartisan border security bill.


No point in denying the facts.

You haven't proven he did.
He bragged about it. Why bother denying it? It would have put more Border Patrol agents at the boarder. It would have processed illegal aliens faster to remove them. And Trump didn't want those things, because it would make it harder to complain about the border.

Because his political ambitions mean more to him than our country does. That's just the way he is.
 
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There's no telling what happens to them here because many are afraid to report it.
Texas keeps data on that kind of thing. And it doesn't fit your assumptions.
 
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The link I posted had to do with that, and who do you think it is that is committing the crimes against migrants, like rape?
You have a disconnect there. Your article is about crimes faced by these immigrants. Where does it say the crimes they face are done by those same immigrants? It doesn't. Hence, it makes no sense to post an article about crimes faced by immigrants in reply to a comment pointing out that immigrants commit less crimes that native citizens of USA.
 
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