Kamala’s Response to “Jesus is Lord

[Piers Plowman]

Because that's done our society so much good, causing all and sundry to run from the faith like that plague and forget who Christ even is.

The fruits haven't been good, if you're going for promoting our faith. It seems to do far more good for satan.

There's only two teams. Your either on one team or the other. The lukewarm need to repent - including myself if God finds me lukewarm.

Now, now-- while I had a similar reply in mind, I refrained, because I am not confident that I could backup such statements with my own actions. Plank in my own eye, and all that.

 

[Piers Plowman]

Theres no allegation there that Paul was disrupting someone elses events. It was just the content of his message that offended the authorities.

No one here is proposing we should prohibit people from proselytizing re Jesus or anything else. Just do it in the public square, or at your own private event. Dont take over other people events. And by the same token, you wont have atheists, Muslims, wiccans, or anyone else disrupting your Christian events.

I know the point you're getting at, but one may also claim that God officially sanctions Christians disrupting worldly religions, no?

 

[Servus]

Theres no allegation there that Paul was disrupting someone elses events. It was just the content of his message that offended the authorities.

No one here is proposing we should prohibit people from proselytizing re Jesus or anything else. Just do it in the public square, or at your own private event. Dont take over other people events. And by the same token, you wont have atheists, Muslims, wiccans, or anyone else disrupting your Christian events.

Paul was beaten for what was considered causing a disturbance. The word in question is ektarassó Usage: I disturb.

 

[durangodawood]

I know the point you're getting at, but one may also claim that God officially sanctions Christians disrupting worldly religions, no?

America will turn pretty sour if we permit people to disrupt the services of religions we consider "wrong".

 

[durangodawood]

Paul was beaten for what was considered causing a disturbance. The word in question is ektarassó Usage: I disturb.

And Im fine with the idea of disturbance based on just the content of ideas.

Im not fine with disrupting other peoples actual events - and the verse you cited does not show Paul doing that.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Because that's done our society so much good, causing all and sundry to run from the faith like that plague and forget who Christ even is.

The fruits haven't been good, if you're going for promoting our faith. It seems to do far more good for satan.

What makes you think that the fruits you've seen are a result of the sort of quiet reservedness I've been describing? I've been a Christian longer than you have, and never in my life have I seen the fundamentalist right encourage that approach. No, it's always been supportive of a more in-your-face approach that disregards the audience's receptiveness.

What's caused folks to run from the faith has been the hypocrisy, blatant pursuit of power (and defense of its abuse), and the shallow uselessness of the message preached by many of these churches.

 

[Piers Plowman]

America will turn pretty sour if we permit people to disrupt the services of religions we consider "wrong".

Debate in regards to stances of Magisterial Reformation is going too far beyond the scope of this thread, I would say, but let me just ask this: what, in your opinion, was the purpose of Israelites being brought out of Egypt to conquer the Promised Land? IIRC, it was to drive out all pagan religions considered to be 'wrong', no?

 

[Piers Plowman]

And Im fine with the idea of disturbance based on the just the content of ideas.

Im not fine with disrupting other peoples actual events - and the verse you cited does not show Paul doing that.

I'm not sure if I am able to see a proper distinction between 'venue of ideas' and 'venue of events'.

 

[Servus]

And Im fine with the idea of disturbance based on the just the content of ideas.

Im not fine with disrupting other peoples actual events - and the verse you cited does not show Paul doing that.

"These men disturb our city" (Douay-Rheims) fits in just fine. But I've learned from experience that often when someone asks for verses in a debate, they're going to argue that whatever is supplied is inapplicable.

Paul was beaten and stoned for being disruptive.

 

[durangodawood]

I'm not sure if I am able to see a proper distinction between 'venue of ideas' and 'venue of events'.

I didnt say "venue of ideas". Thats your phrase. I said "content of ideas". I can try to elaborate on what that means. But do I really need to?

Also my phrase was "other peoples events". You know, events that various groups organize for their own particular purposes.

 

[durangodawood]

.....I've learned from experience that often when someone asks for verses in a debate, they're going to argue that whatever is supplied is inapplicable.

Yes. But my argument stands as correct.

That verse does not describe Paul as disrupting other people events. They were just upset at the content of his ideas. I'm all for ideas that make people reconsider various positions. Just dont feel youre entitled to be stomp on other peoples events to present them.

 

[durangodawood]

Debate in regards to stances of Magisterial Reformation is going too far beyond the scope of this thread, I would say, but let me just ask this: what, in your opinion, was the purpose of Israelites being brought out of Egypt to conquer the Promised Land? IIRC, it was to drive out all pagan religions considered to be 'wrong', no?

Ancient war is not the model for how we need to conduct ourselves in society premised on basic human liberty.

 

[Piers Plowman]

Yes. But my argument stands as correct.

That verse does not describe Paul as disrupting other people events. They were just upset at the content of his ideas. I'm all for ideas that make people reconsider various positions. Just dont feel youre entitled to be stomp on other peoples events to present them.

Well, see, the thing is, anybody at any sort of given situation can make the assertion that that particular time and place is 'their' exclusive 'event', methinks. The definitions beg to be defined.
Which in turn raises the question of, when and where is the proper time and place for such evangelism?

 

[Piers Plowman]

Ancient war is not the model for how we need to conduct ourselves in society premised on basic human liberty.

I will assume your implied definition of 'society' for this moment. Let me ask another question: what, in your opinion, was the purpose of the Apostles being commissioned to make 'disciples of all nations'? IIRC, it was to drive out all pagan religions considered to be 'wrong', no?

 

[Servus]

Yes. But my argument stands as correct.

That verse does not describe Paul as disrupting other people events. They were just upset at the content of his ideas. I'm all for ideas that make people reconsider various positions. Just dont feel youre entitled to be stomp on other peoples events to present them.

I said: Paul was beaten and stoned for being disruptive.

You replied: What verses would I look for to read about this?

So I posted verses where it said Paul was beaten for being disruptive.

The line "disrupting other people events" never came into the exchange.

 

[durangodawood]

I said: Paul was beaten and stoned for being disruptive.

You replied: What verses would I look for to read about this?

So I posted verses where it said Paul was beaten for being disruptive.

The line "disrupting other people events" never came into the exchange.

Ok. So the verse is not instructive re the situation the OP presented us with.

 

[durangodawood]

I will assume your implied definition of 'society' for this moment. Let me ask another question: what, in your opinion, was the purpose of the Apostles being commissioned to make 'disciples of all nations'? IIRC, it was to drive out all pagan religions considered to be 'wrong', no?

Was the commission to persuade? Or to subdue by force? I dont know. And I dont think it matters for how we should conduct ourselves here and now.

Religious wars and the hell they raise convinced our country's founders to let people practice the faith they choose. I think this is the proper way for people to conduct themselves.

 

[Piers Plowman]

Was the commission to persuade? Or to subdue by force? I dont know. And I dont think it matters for how we should conduct ourselves here and now.

Religious wars and the hell they raise convinced our country's founders to let people practice the faith they choose. I think this is the proper way for people to conduct themselves.

Not sure if I can agree with you there, seeing that Thomas Jefferson took a scissor to his own bible
Some wild heretic, right there

 

[Servus]

Ok. So the verse is not instructive re the situation the OP presented us with.

Once again:

I said: Paul was beaten and stoned for being disruptive.

You replied: What verses would I look for to read about this?

So I posted verses where it said Paul was beaten for being disruptive.

You're reaching outside of the exchange to try maintaining an argument. And I'm done with this derail.

 

[durangodawood]

Once again:

I said: Paul was beaten and stoned for being disruptive.

You replied: What verses would I look for to read about this?

So I posted verses where it said Paul was beaten for being disruptive.

You're reaching outside of the exchange to try maintaining an argument. And I'm done with this derail.

I had thought you were trying to present something germaine to the OP discussion. I can see now I was wrong.