Kamala’s Response to “Jesus is Lord

[iluvatar5150]

What, in your opinion which I am interested in hearing, are the steps which could have been taken to make the behavior non-disruptive?

You could pick from virtually any of the methods of communicating considered appropriate in that context: working it into a conversation with one of the other attendees; wearing a t-shirt with that message; being associated with the campaign and working it into your speech. Heck, political rallies are one of the few events in which it's considered appropriate to hold up big signs, so I'd be okay with that, too.

Personally, I tend to prefer that evangelistic messages err towards reserved rather than showy, but I can acknowledge that there's room for cultural variations there. Either way, the important thing is recognizing what your audience would perceive as contextually appropriate. "Read the room," essentially.

 

[durangodawood]

Is it the Christian opinion that its acceptable to hijack someone else's speech / event / etc so long as you are saying something good about Jesus?

I hope not, because to me this sounds like its sanctioning being a jerk. As if my beliefs entitle me to introduce a new set of themes to the event - when the event organizer has their own set of themes they are trying to present.

 

[Servus]

Ah, so it's my fault I didn't refresh the page and check for your edits in the 17 minutes between your hitting Post and mine?

No, if you choose poor wording, that's on you. If you wish to pull that back, you are more than welcome to do so. But it's not my fault you chose that wording and it's not my fault for not checking for revisions, though it's not surprising you'd try to pin that on me given your persistent refusal to distinguish between appropriate and inappropriate times/manners in which to proclaim one's faith. Both are forms of manipulative behavior.

I basically pointed out that I too considered an inapplicable statement. I'm sorry that my suggestion of refreshing the page a little more often upset you so.much.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Paul was beaten and stoned for being disruptive.

yeah, that's all there was to it

 

[durangodawood]

I basically pointed out that I too considered an inapplicable statement. I'm sorry that my suggestion of refreshing the page a little more often upset you so.much.

Its really on you to write what you mean rather than for others to chase after your edits.

 

[durangodawood]

Paul was beaten and stoned for being disruptive.

What verses would I look for to read about this?

 

[Hazelelponi]

It may not be intention on the part of many.

Just deceived by a distorted understanding of the Gospel, an understanding that supports "me first, us first". and a guy who validates our lowest nature.

[Sarcasm warning]

Yes because leaving our veterans living on the streets to freeze while we house foreigners who invaded our country and broke our laws and make sure they are warm and fed instead is such a Biblical example of 1 Timothy 5:8 .

Very similar to the good Samaritan who stomped on the body of the guy in the ditch as he walked by to help someone he thought could win him some racial virtue signalling points with friends and family...

Plus, I noted all the stories of a god that just loves crowds of people cheering the murder of babies, excited about ripping the children from their wombs.

That's definitely the example of the faith that is a winning strategy for Christ.

While we are at it let's push around and beat up those pesky Christians who dare to shout out exclamations of faith at times we deem inappropriate. Totally God-fearing people do that.

[fine example of dripping with sarcasm now ended]

I'm sorry but one of us is very confused as to the nature of Christ and it's not me and people like me. No we aren't perfect. All of us have sinned and many/most have been forgiven.

But we know right from wrong. God from any counterfeit.

 

[Piers Plowman]

Is it the Christian opinion that its acceptable to hijack someone else's speech / event / etc so long as you are saying something good about Jesus?

I hope not, because to me this sounds like its sanctioning being a jerk. As if my beliefs entitle me to introduce a new set of themes to the event - when the event organizer has their own set of themes they are trying to present.

Well now-- Apostle Paul preached on areopagus, where the main theme were pagan idols; he also preached in temples, where the main theme was judaism. In fact, Paul introduced some quite ground-breaking sets of themes in such places.

 

[Piers Plowman]

What verses would I look for to read about this?

Oh, generally the entire book of Acts, for one.

 

[wing2000]

Is it the Christian opinion that its acceptable to hijack someone else's speech / event / etc so long as you are saying something good about Jesus?

....it's telling that "Christians" feel the need to declare "Jesus is Lord" a political event. When I was growing up, I was taught that we should live as Jesus did...and let our actions be a witness to His power..

 

[iluvatar5150]

....it's telling that "Christians" feel the need to declare "Jesus is Lord" a political event. When I was growing up, I was taught that we should live as Jesus did...and let our actions be a witness to His power..

It's not surprising to me that the crowd who thinks Christians ought to evangelize by asserting their dominance are also the wing of Christianity most drawn to Trump.

 

[durangodawood]

Well now-- Apostle Paul preached on areopagus, where the main theme were pagan idols; he also preached in temples, where the main theme was judaism. In fact, Paul introduced some quite ground-breaking sets of themes in such places.

Im talking more about the time than the place. A time when someone else has rented the venue for their event.

 

[Piers Plowman]

It's not surprising to me that the crowd who thinks Christians ought to evangelize by asserting their dominance are also the wing of Christianity most drawn to Trump.

As an aside: in accordance to the idea of '...as the body is one, and hath many members...', it is logical to reason that there are many different Christians on this earth, some more militant, others more meek, some orientated toward words, some orientated toward actions. The debate regarding permissibility, time-and-place, and social-acceptability notwithstanding, each type of Christian is used by God for multiple purposes, is my humble opinion.

 

[Piers Plowman]

Im talking more about the time than the place. A time when someone else has rented the venue for their event.

And I'm also sure that there are those who paid out of their own pockets much monetary value for venues mentioned in the Bible, be it be areopagus or synagogues.

 

[durangodawood]

And I'm also sure that there are those who paid out of their own pockets much monetary value for venues mentioned in the Bible, be it be areopagus or synagogues.

Those places were owned by particular groups or individuals?

Or were they part of the "public square" basically? I mean, its fine to use the public square to promote your opinions so long as you are letting others do their thing.

 

[Servus]

What verses would I look for to read about this?

You can start with:

20 They brought them before the magistrates and said, “These men are Jews, and are throwing our city into an uproar 21 by advocating customs unlawful for us Romans to accept or practice.” 22 The crowd joined in the attack against Paul and Silas, and the magistrates ordered them to be stripped and beaten with rods. 23 After they had been severely flogged, they were thrown into prison, and the jailer was commanded to guard them carefully. Acts 16:20-23

 

[KCfromNC]

Because I'm pretty confident I'd be kicked out of a Trump rally if I did that. I suspect the crowd would probably boo me too. To be 100% honest, I suspect that I'd be putting myself in danger if I did that.

Why would you think that : Donald Trump Tells Crowd To "Knock the Crap Out Of" Hecklers

 

[Hazelelponi]

evangelistic messages err towards reserved

Because that's done our society so much good, causing all and sundry to run from the faith like that plague and forget who Christ even is.

The fruits haven't been good, if you're going for promoting our faith. It seems to do far more good for satan.

There's only two teams. Your either on one team or the other. The lukewarm need to repent - including myself if God finds me lukewarm.

 

[durangodawood]

You can start with:

20 They brought them before the magistrates and said, “These men are Jews, and are throwing our city into an uproar 21 by advocating customs unlawful for us Romans to accept or practice.” 22 The crowd joined in the attack against Paul and Silas, and the magistrates ordered them to be stripped and beaten with rods. 23 After they had been severely flogged, they were thrown into prison, and the jailer was commanded to guard them carefully. Acts 16:20-23

Theres no allegation there that Paul was disrupting someone elses events. It was just the content of his message that offended the authorities.

No one here is proposing we should prohibit people from proselytizing re Jesus or anything else. Just do it in the public square, or at your own private event. Dont take over other peoples events. And by the same token, you wont have atheists, Muslims, wiccans, or anyone else disrupting your Christian events.

 

[Servus]

....it's telling that "Christians" feel the need to declare "Jesus is Lord" a political event. When I was growing up, I was taught that we should live as Jesus did...and let our actions be a witness to His power..

Jesus was crucified for proclaiming he is Lord.