Did the early church worship on Sabbath?

[HIM]

I thought I DID answer it. Did I not? Maybe you can re-frame your question in more detail. What exactly are you asking? Sabbath traditions, marriage traditions ?? Remember Moshe spoke with HaShem on Har Sinai regarding how the torah is to be implemented, some became written Torah and others are from oral Torah. Also, remember, bread and wine were offered to Abraham by Melekhzadik (whose priestly and kingly ministry of El Elyon is assumed by Yeshua).

Not that I can see. Maybe you missed it due to the lack of a question mark due to a typo. Here it is

So you say that there is a connection due to tradition and Jewish mysticism found in the Kabbalah.

The reason I ask is I do not see it in the book of the law, Torah.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Not that I can see. Maybe you missed it due to the lack of a question mark due to a typo. Here it is
The reason I ask is I do not see it in the book of the law, Torah.

There are...Shabbat in Exodus is a sign of the covenant between Israel and HaShem...Others in the TaNaKh like Jeremiah 31:32 alludes to it too. Isaiah 54:5-8 refers to HaShem as the husband, and the people as His bride. Ezekiel 16:8-14 describes the covenant with Israel as a form of marriage. Hosea 2:7 and Joel 1:8 refers to HaShem as Israel's husband. As I said, Moshe was on Har Sinai and spoke with HaShem which was part of oral Torah and spoken traditions.

 

[HIM]

There are...Shabbat in Exodus is a sign of the covenant between Israel and HaShem...Others in the TaNaKh like Jeremiah 31:32 alludes to it too. Isaiah 54:5-8 refers to HaShem as the husband, and the people as His bride. Ezekiel 16:8-14 describes the covenant with Israel as a form of marriage. Hosea 2:7 and Joel 1:8 refers to HaShem as Israel's husband. As I said, Moshe was on Har Sinai and spoke with HaShem which was part of oral Torah and spoken traditions.

Never argued any of that. Are you ok? Nothing about the bread and the wine huh? That was the premise to which you were putting forward in regard to communion and the Sabbath. And the context of my question.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Never argued any of that. Are you ok? Nothing about the bread and the wine huh? That was the premise to which you were putting forward in regard to communion and the Sabbath. And the context of my question.

Yeah I am fine. I told you when Moshe was on Har Sinai he received the oral Torah. Judaism is NOT now nor ever was "sola scriptura". Go back and read what I wrote. If you don't agree or like what I have written, I guess there is nothing I can do. You can think what ever you want...

 

[HIM]

Yeah I am fine. I told you when Moshe was on Har Sinai he received the oral Torah. Judaism is NOT now nor ever was "sola scriptura". Go back and read what I wrote. If you don't agree or like what I have written, I guess there is nothing I can do. You can think what ever you want...

So your belief is based on tradition. The tradition of men not the Word of God.

Thank you for the clarification.

 

[Jan001]

Note that this same ark of the covenant was seen in heaven,
Revelation 11:19:
"Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail."

This is the Ark of the New Covenant, the Mother of Jesus.

Revelation 11:19
Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail. 12:01 A great portent appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.

The ark of the Old Covenant and the ark of the New Covenant comparisons

 

[Jan001]

According to Judaism and traditional Christianity, it is Sunday. Saturday evening ends at sunset. And at any rate Scripture said they met on the first day, which could mean meeting the night before, but it could also mean meeting at any time prior to sunset on Sunday. Your idea that it was a Vesperal meeting is purely conjectural.

And regarding those other verses, they simply do not say what you assert, unless you are using a very different translation of the Bible from what I am using.

I asked a Rabbi what day the first day of the week is called for Jews. He said in the English language it is called Sunday.

 

[Jan001]

How early of an early church are we talking about?

Shortly after Jesus' resurrection, the church probably worshiped on the seventh day, and every day

Worship on the first day, and every day, became more common over time

Eventually, gatherings for worship on the first day replaced those on the 7th

Was this change a movement of God?

Bible Gateway passage: Ephesians 1:22 - New Century Version

God put everything under his power and made him the head over everything for the church,

www.biblegateway.com

Christ is the head of his body. Does the body of Christ go against the head? I don't believe it can

After his resurrection from the dead, Jesus personally taught them to worship on Sundays. That is why the Catholic Church still teaches this Sunday Worship commandment today. John 21:25

The Saturday Sabbath was commanded for Israelites/Jews only, not for Gentiles. Did the apostles command the Gentile converts to worship on the Sabbaths of the Jews? No. Only the following commandments from the Law of Moses were given to the Gentiles:

Acts 151-5 Then certain individuals came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, ‘Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.’ 2 And after Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and debate with them, Paul and Barnabas and some of the others were appointed to go up to Jerusalem to discuss this question with the apostles and the elders. 3 So they were sent on their way by the church, and as they passed through both Phoenicia and Samaria, they reported the conversion of the Gentiles, and brought great joy to all the believers.4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they reported all that God had done with them. 5 But some believers who belonged to the sect of the Pharisees stood up and said, ‘It is necessary for them to be circumcised and ordered to keep the law of Moses.’ ...... Acts 15:24-30 Since we have heard that certain persons who have gone out from us, though with no instructions from us, have said things to disturb you and have unsettled your minds,25 we have decided unanimously to choose representatives and send them to you, along with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to impose on you no further burden than these essentials: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.’ 30 So they were sent off and went down to Antioch. When they gathered the congregation together, they delivered the letter.

 

[Jan001]

So your belief is based on tradition. The tradition of men not the Word of God.

Show me one scripture that claims that it is Scripture Alone that is God's Word.

 

[Leaf473]

After his resurrection from the dead, Jesus personally taught them to worship on Sundays. That is why the Catholic Church still teaches this Sunday Worship commandment today. John 21:25

The Saturday Sabbath was commanded for Israelites/Jews only, not for Gentiles. Did the apostles command the Gentile converts to worship on the Sabbaths of the Jews? No. Only the following commandments from the Law of Moses were given to the Gentiles:

Acts 151-5 Then certain individuals came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, ‘Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.’ 2 And after Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and debate with them, Paul and Barnabas and some of the others were appointed to go up to Jerusalem to discuss this question with the apostles and the elders. 3 So they were sent on their way by the church, and as they passed through both Phoenicia and Samaria, they reported the conversion of the Gentiles, and brought great joy to all the believers.4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they reported all that God had done with them. 5 But some believers who belonged to the sect of the Pharisees stood up and said, ‘It is necessary for them to be circumcised and ordered to keep the law of Moses.’ ...... Acts 15:24-30 Since we have heard that certain persons who have gone out from us, though with no instructions from us, have said things to disturb you and have unsettled your minds,25 we have decided unanimously to choose representatives and send them to you, along with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to impose on you no further burden than these essentials: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.’ 30 So they were sent off and went down to Antioch. When they gathered the congregation together, they delivered the letter.

Yes, if Jesus taught them to worship on Sunday, that goes along with him being the head of the body, and guiding her

Bible Gateway passage: Ephesians 1:23 - New Century Version

which is Christ’s body. The church is filled with Christ, and Christ fills everything in every way.

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

So your belief is based on tradition. The tradition of men not the Word of God.

Thank you for the clarification.

...well HaShem was on Har Sinai with Moshe...and you weren't...so we are fine with it...but you already knew that. Scripture says that Yeshua went to the Synagogue "as was His TRADITION". So Yeshua kept Jewish traditions, but you do not. I think you are here just to feel superior and have conflict...to judge others. Have a good one "Scott".

 

[HIM]

Show me one scripture that claims that it is Scripture Alone that is God's Word.

Tradition becomes an issue when it conflicts with the Word of God. Like praying "talking" to dead people we "think" are in heaven. And making idols and bowing down to them.

 

[HIM]

...well HaShem was on Har Sinai with Moshe...and you weren't...so we are fine with it...but you already knew that. Scripture says that Yeshua went to the Synagogue "as was His TRADITION". So Yeshua kept Jewish traditions, but you do not.

If one's habit adds to or conflicts with the Word of God there is a problem. You said, "actually, there IS a connection with Shabbat in Judaism" due to the tradition of bread and wine during the beginning of Sabbath.

That is adding to what is written not performing a tradition.

That is not this in Luke.'

Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

It is this in Matthew because you literally are saying a thus saith the Lord by saying, "actually, there IS a connection with Shabbat in Judaism" When the Lord has not said.

Matt 15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
Matt 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Matt 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

I think you are here just to feel superior and have conflict...to judge others. Have a good one "Scott".

It does not matter what we think unless it is a thus saith the Lord.. Take care

 

[HIM]

None of those say the Apostles kept the Sabbath every Saturday.

The fact that it was a Commandment says different

 

[HIM]

This is the Ark of the New Covenant, the Mother of Jesus.

Revelation 11:19
Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail. 12:01 A great portent appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.

The ark of the Old Covenant and the ark of the New Covenant comparisons

The Ark of the Covenant is said in context to verse 18 in respect to judgement.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Show me one scripture that claims that it is Scripture Alone that is God's Word.

Scripture, not mans traditions, is the path we are told to follow

Psa 119:105 Your word is a lamp to my feet
And a light to my path.

Going outside of God's Word comes with a warning, we should take serious

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

If one's habit adds to or conflicts with the Word of God there is a problem. You said, "actually, there IS a connection with Shabbat in Judaism" due to the tradition of bread and wine during the beginning of Sabbath.

That is adding to what is written not performing a tradition.

That is not this in Luke.'

Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

It is this in Matthew because you literally are saying a thus saith the Lord by saying, "actually, there IS a connection with Shabbat in Judaism" When the Lord has not said.

Matt 15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
Matt 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Matt 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

It does not matter what we think unless it is a thus saith the Lord.. Take care

How is that adding to what is written...it IS tradition. How is that transgressing the commandment? Are synagogues commanded or are they customs and traditions? Yeshua went into a synagogue as was his custom/tradition. You are being silly and revisionist with you sola scriptura. You strain at a gnat but swallow a camel. You have made up your own religion according to what you think is correct and then try and force your beliefs on others who have a much older tradition. So tell us all how do you keep the sabbath and the other laws? Do you cook on the sabbath?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

After his resurrection from the dead, Jesus personally taught them to worship on Sundays.

John 21:25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.

does not say

Jesus personally taught them to worship on Sundays That is why the Catholic Church still teaches this Sunday Worship commandment today. John 21:25

That's some big words adding to what Jesus said, I would consider not doing this Pro 30:5-6 And no where is Sunday a commandment of God, but the seventh day Sabbath is Exo 20:8-11 God said He would not alter His Words Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18-19 so obviously whatever Jesus wants to tell His saints will have to wait until He returns, but adding what we want it to say, in lieu of what God commanded is not a good idea Mat 15:3-14



Jesus in His own Words said the Sabbath would continue

Isa 66:22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Isa 66:22
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

From month to month and from week to week is the context

 

[SabbathBlessings]

From month to month and from week to week is the context

From one month to another and from one week to another on the Sabbath. Exo 20:10 Isa 66:23 Just like I try to go to church from one Sabbath to another (unless sick) but I do not go to church every day.