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Mark Halperin predicts 'greatest mental health crisis' in US history if Trump defeats Harris

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Whatever happens would probably be mostly in the cities, such as happened during George Floyd's riots. That's what happened in mostly "blue" parts of the country.
If individuals who are known to the community as Trump voters, they might be targeted for harassment if Trump wins. One reason there are so few Trump signs in yards, even though Trump is leading the polls in most swing states.
For reference, Clinton was ahead by 6% nationally in October of 2016. Now, Harris is ahead by 0.5% nationally. Guess who's set to win!
What about my city? It has 1/4 million people? Is it safe to be in my city from late November 2024 - January 2025?

Yes, I have noticed there are not a lot of Trump signs, probably so the Trump voters can protect themselves, or maybe because the Republicans want a different candidate.

I can not guess who will win, as speculation is something that I try not to do. All I know is that no third party will win. :)
 
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Good for you, that you all can get away.
Many folks are not as fortunate as you, to have that option.
Could be you find yourselves staying away longer than expected, if things suddenly turn very bad.
I hope you will be praying for America, while you are away.
I will be praying for the US, and the whole world. It is an extreme blessing that my parents can afford travel, and that I can afford flying also. However, I am not sure what would happen if we had to stay longer than 2 weeks. Also, I could email my boss and tell him I will be off longer if we get stranded overseas, and I could ask my parents to cancel my rent on the condo and I could only pay the condo fees, as I pay rent to my parents.

However, all of that is speculation. Let us hope the US will be safe to be back in during late November.
 
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Oh, I know. It wasn't long ago (a year or two at most) when commentators were saying, "I sure hope we don't start seeing political assassinations because if that ever happens, this country is finished!"
Now, 2 attempts have been made on the life of Trump, and it's already become old news, and the divisive rhetoric is no different than before the first assassination attempt.
If he wins on Nov. 5th, I won't be surprised if attempts are made again to keep him from taking office in January. In fact, I will be absolutely shocked if it doesn't happen. That's how low my expectations have become.
Even if Trump wins, I will be very surprised if he ever gets to set foot in the Oval Office again.

I have been hearing for some time now, that the period from election day to inauguration day is going to be extremely dangerous, and a very unpredictable time.

So, we take it one day at a time ... and pray.

In the end, God is in control. I do believe that. No matter who wins the election.
 
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You mean they didn't burn down their own neighborhoods like the other guys did?
Yes. Somehow looting vandalizing and burning down neighborhoods isn't supposed to be worse behavior.
 
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What about my city? It has 1/4 million people? Is it safe to be in my city from late November 2024 - January 2025?

Yes, I have noticed there are not a lot of Trump signs, probably so the Trump voters can protect themselves, or maybe because the Republicans want a different candidate.

I can not guess who will win, as speculation is something that I try not to do. All I know is that no third party will win. :)
If it were me, I'd try to stay inside as much as possible so you don't end up getting assaulted. And be armed in case rioters tried entering your home. Just don't be out on the streets doing sight-seeing of the carnage.
BTW, this advice is for in case violence actually broke out. Rioters seemed to be randomly assaulting people and burning things down regardless of who they voted for, what their skin color was, or whatever else. They were just a bunch of criminals who felt they had the green light to do criminal acts. Kamala Harris had a direct influence in that.
 
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Obama took away the free healthcare I got from my employer for 11 years. I'm currently having $99 taken out of each weekly paycheck for health insurance. And I'm on the low rung of working class jobs.
Wow. It's no wonder so many are stressed.
Things have gotten so expensive. I really don't know how the average family with children is making it.
And things could get much worse.
 
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Even if Trump wins, I will be very surprised if he ever gets to set foot in the Oval Office again.

I have been hearing for some time now, that the period from election day to inauguration day is going to be extremely dangerous, and a very unpredictable time.

So, we take it one day at a time ... and pray.

In the end, God is in control. I do believe that. No matter who wins the election.
It all depends on what the democrats in power decide is most important:

1. Democracy and peaceful transfer of power after a free and fair election.
2. "Trump must never again be president! He is the biggest threat to this country!"

Which talking point will they go with? They'll have 2.5 months to decide.
 
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If it were me, I'd try to stay inside as much as possible so you don't end up getting assaulted. And be armed in case rioters tried entering your home. Just don't be out on the streets doing sight-seeing of the carnage.
BTW, this advice is for in case violence actually broke out. Rioters seemed to be randomly assaulting people and burning things down regardless of who they voted for, what their skin color was, or whatever else. They were just a bunch of criminals who felt they had the green light to do criminal acts. Kamala Harris had a direct influence in that.
I will stay inside for the most part from late November until early February. Also, I am blessed to live in a condo near the top floor, so I am safe from any riots, and I do not want to own any weapons, cos I am a pacifist. If others want to arm themselves, you guys can. Maybe my kitchen tools could be enough. Sight seeing is fun, but since I want to protect myself, I will only sight see from the news, not from going outside. Finally, I do not like going outside during the winter.

Regardless of who incited these riots, it seems that social media starts the riots, so I am also blessed to only use Christian Forums as my sole social media platform. I do not have FB, X or any other social media.

Anyways, as I can not speculate the future, I will bow down from this thread, but please pray for the safety of the country regardless who wins, and for an era of peace.

10 years ago, this level of violence was never the case. Maybe it is partly on the liberals, or even partly on Trump. I just wish we returned to a world of moderate decency like 2012 again. Romney would have made a good president. But that's for another thread.

Speculating the Future Devotional:
 
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Wow. It's no wonder so many are stressed.
Things have gotten so expensive. I really don't know how the average family with children is making it.
And things could get much worse.
Yeah it's pretty scary. Surviving used to be easy. Now I feel like I'm hanging on by the skin of my teeth. I might end up having to go without health insurance in 2025 at 62-63 years old.
 
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It all depends on what the democrats in power decide is most important:

1. Democracy and peaceful transfer of power after a free and fair election.
2. "Trump must never again be president! He is the biggest threat to this country!"

Which talking point will they go with? They'll have 2.5 months to decide.
I really only expect big trouble, if Trump wins.
The Democrats in general, and other parties concerned, should be happy with a Harris win.

How Republicans might outwardly respond to the loss? I have no idea.
But I think many will be praying.
 
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Yeah it's pretty scary. Surviving used to be easy. Now I feel like I'm hanging on by the skin of my teeth. I might end up having to go without health insurance in 2025 at 62-63 years old.
Yikes! And what is so sad is that I hear many others beginning to share that they're facing these same kinds of issues.
I hope things work out for you. Not a good deal, to have to go without health insurance at our ages.
 
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I really only expect big trouble, if Trump wins.
The Democrats in general, and other parties concerned, should be happy with a Harris win.

How Republicans might outwardly respond to the loss? I have no idea.
But I think many will be praying.
Many will point to January 6, 2020 as to how Republicans might respond to a Trump loss. A single protest at a single location.
I think a Trump WIN would result in more widespread problems across the country, and the MSM would fan the flames by blaming Republicans and Trump for all of it, even though the violence is being committed by those who would be angry at a Trump victory.
 
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Yikes! And what is so sad is that I hear many others beginning to share that they're facing these same kinds of issues.
I hope things work out for you. Not a good deal, to have to go without health insurance at our ages.
The Affordable Healthcare Act. What a joke.
 
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Such as those who protested on Jan. 6th?


Never happened.


Nobody forces people from other countries to crawl through razor wire, which wouldn't even have to be there if our current president and VP didn't invite them to enter the country illegally.
Perhaps they never heard of entering through one of the ports of entry.
60 tries--and only a Reoublican with integrity, John McCain, who barred Trump from his funeral, stopped him.
The insurrectionists should have been tried for treason, along with their leader. They got off easy.
No one "invited" immigrants. They allowed immigrants to apply for asylum.at their embassies to keep them away. But neither did they treat them worse than animals and spread lies that most are sex traffickers and drug dealers.
 
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Many will point to January 6, 2020 as to how Republicans might respond to a Trump loss. A single protest at a single location.
I think a Trump WIN would result in more widespread problems across the country, and the MSM would fan the flames by blaming Republicans and Trump for all of it, even though the violence is being committed by those who would be angry at a Trump victory.
I don't disagree that it could happen that way.
 
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It all depends on what the democrats in power decide is most important:

1. Democracy and peaceful transfer of power after a free and fair election.
2. "Trump must never again be president! He is the biggest threat to this country!"

Which talking point will they go with? They'll have 2.5 months to decide.
I’ve heard a lot of number 2 and precious little about number 1. The rhetoric is that Trump must never be allowed to be president period. If he wins I don’t see the hot blooded Democrats switching to a peaceful transition of power. The rhetoric has played too long.

We used to pride ourselves on the peaceful transition of power, and we have actually had it up to now. But the rhetoric about ‘January 6’ is all about how that doesn’t need to happen any more because Trump already broke it.

I just do not see a peaceful transition if Trump wins. Maybe trouble if Kamala wins. Definite trouble if Trump wins. We will all wish we were in the days of ‘hanging chads’ and Al Franken ‘recount until you win’ strategies. The end of Democracy is now at hand. It doesn’t even have to be Trump’s fault.
 
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Yeah it's pretty scary. Surviving used to be easy. Now I feel like I'm hanging on by the skin of my teeth. I might end up having to go without health insurance in 2025 at 62-63 years old.
It doesn’t automagically get better on Medicare either. That’s no free lunch.
 
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Yes. Somehow looting vandalizing and burning down neighborhoods isn't supposed to be worse behavior.
I’d say the neighborhoods are a bit more on the sacred ground side myself.
 
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This is where the discussion gets abit wonky ... and potentially abit offensive ...

For anyone to say that Republicans 'turned the Country upside down' in 2020 by not voting for the Democratic candidate is quite a strange way to see things. Afterall, in 2020 we were still a free Country. We still had the right to vote. So ... what did those 73 million Republicans do wrong?
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They, the old 'basket of deplorables' were in 2020 merely being deplorable ... in a basket. Hillary wanted re-education camps for you. Don't think you couldn't be locked up in a FEMA trailer camp surrounded by concertina barbed wire. Just on the off chance you might not like the election outcome if somehow the election outcome doesn't go your way. FEMA may be broke, but I'm sure they have the capacity to lock up a few million deplorables.
 
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