A Baker’s Dozen

[Love365]

Mary Magdalene was the 13th follower of Jesus.

The number 13 means bread.

A baker’s dozen.

 

[David Lamb]

Mary Magdalene was the 13th follower of Jesus.

The number 13 means bread.

A baker’s dozen.

This post raises some questions in my mind. First, what biblical basis is there for saying Mary Magdalene was the thirteenth follower of Jesus? The first mention of her says:

“55 And many women who followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering to Him, were there looking on from afar, 56 among whom were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee’s sons.” (Mt 27:55-56 NKJV)

Yes, she was among many women who followed Jesus from Galilee, but there is no mention of an order in which these women began to follow Jesus.

Second, where do you find that the number 13 means bread?

Third, what has the English phrase, "a baker's dozen" got to do with it? The New Testament was not originally written in English, so unless Greek or Aramaic also had a similar phrase, how can you link the English phrase to Mary Magdalene?

 

[Love365]

People have said “a baker’s dozen” for hundreds of years.

It might be even older than that.

 

[David Lamb]

People have said “a baker’s dozen” for hundreds of years.

It might be even older than that.

English-speaking people, yes. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the term "baker's dozen" originated in the late 16th century and is "apparently so called after the former practice among bakers of including a thirteenth loaf when selling a dozen to a retailer, the extra loaf representing the retailer's profit."

So nothing to do with Mary Magdalen, who was not English-speaking, and did not live in or after the late 16th century!

 

[RileyG]

Mary Magdalene was the 13th follower of Jesus.

The number 13 means bread.

A baker’s dozen.

Yes! She's often called The Apostle to the Apostles

 

[RileyG]

English-speaking people, yes. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the term "baker's dozen" originated in the late 16th century and is "apparently so called after the former practice among bakers of including a thirteenth loaf when selling a dozen to a retailer, the extra loaf representing the retailer's profit."

So nothing to do with Mary Magdalen, who was not English-speaking, and did not live in or after the late 16th century!

Thanks for the info!

 

[David Lamb]

Yes! She's often called The Apostle to the Apostles

Who calls her that? And on what biblical basis? Can you point to any passage of the New Testament where Mary Magdalene acts as an "Apostle to the Apostles"?

 

[Love365]

13 rolls, 13 muffins, 13 bagels, 13 donuts

 

[Love365]

Women priests could celebrate Mass on Saturday.

Women priests could represent the Holy Spirit.

 

[RileyG]

Who calls her that? And on what biblical basis? Can you point to any passage of the New Testament where Mary Magdalene acts as an "Apostle to the Apostles"?

She was the first to see the Risen Christ.

The Catholic Church and Orthodox Church calls her "Apostles to the Apostles."

Specifically, St. Thomas Aquinas called her that.

 

[RileyG]

Women priests could celebrate Mass on Saturday.

Women priests could represent the Holy Spirit.

Perhaps you can attend an ELCA Lutheran Church or an Episcopal Church. Maybe even a Methodist Church.

Women will never be ordained in the RCC.

Sorry.

 

[David Lamb]

She was the first to see the Risen Christ.

The Catholic Church and Orthodox Church calls her "Apostles to the Apostles."

Specifically, St. Thomas Aquinas called her that.

Being the first to see the risen Saviour doesn't make her an apostle,let alone an apostle to the apostles.

Thanks for the info about who calls her that.

 

[FireDragon76]

Being the first to see the risen Saviour doesn't make her an apostle,let alone an apostle to the apostles.

Thanks for the info about who calls her that.

Apostle just means somebody that was sent out with a mission or task to perform. Mary Magdalene was the first who was sent out by Christ personally to the disciples with the message of the Gospel.

 

[RileyG]

Being the first to see the risen Saviour doesn't make her an apostle,let alone an apostle to the apostles.

Thanks for the info about who calls her that.

Apostle just means "one who is sent."

 

[David Lamb]

Apostle just means somebody that was sent out with a mission or task to perform. Mary Magdalene was the first who was sent out by Christ personally to the disciples with the message of the Gospel.

Yes, the Greek word translated "apostle" can just mean somebody that was sent out with a mission or task to perform. However, in the New Testament, it is usually used in a more specialised sense. For example, in these verses:

“Truly the signs of an apostle were accomplished among you with all perseverance, in signs and wonders and mighty deeds.” (2Co 12:12 NKJV)

“And they cast their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles.” (Ac 1:26 NKJV)

 

[RileyG]

Yes, the Greek word translated "apostle" can just mean somebody that was sent out with a mission or task to perform. However, in the New Testament, it is usually used in a mores specialised sense. For example, in these verses:

“Truly the signs of an apostle were accomplished among you with all perseverance, in signs and wonders and mighty deeds.” (2Co 12:12 NKJV)

“And they cast their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles.” (Ac 1:26 NKJV)

Yes, Matthias was the Apostle who replaced Judas.

 

[Love365]

Yes, Matthias was the Apostle who replaced Judas.

Do you think Mary Magdalene was the 14th follower of Jesus?

 

[RileyG]

Do you think Mary Magdalene was the 14th follower of Jesus?

Jesus had many followers. It even mentions 72 Disciples.

 

[David Lamb]

Do you think Mary Magdalene was the 14th follower of Jesus?

We're not told how many people became followers of Jesus before Mary Magdalene.

 

[RileyG]

We're not told how many people became followers of Jesus before Mary Magdalene.

Correct.

We knew at least 3000 were baptized on Pentecost. Beyond that, we only knew the Church grew.

Blessings