Women should remain silent in the churches.

[Legion7777777]

I'm not playing at anything.

Like what?
I've been preaching for 20 years.

No, I've been blessed.

Now it makes sense. You're a preacher, you've called yourself into service. You are not blessed, you are under a curse.
Luke 21:35 KJV — For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Calling Yourself into Denominationalism

Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spoke unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2Co 11:14 And no wonder; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also are transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

• Divination: The Practice of seeing knowledge of the future or the unknown by supernatural means.

Neither have I Commanded the Fake Church=Denominationalism

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do: he was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

1. Jer 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
2. Jer 9:5 And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity.
3. Jer 27:15 For I have not sent them, saith the LORD, yet they prophesy a lie in my name; that I might drive you out, and that ye might perish, ye, and the prophets that prophesy unto you.
4. Lam 2:14 Thy prophets have seen vain and foolish things for thee: and they have not discovered thine iniquity, to turn away thy captivity; but have seen for thee false burdens and causes of banishment.

Neither have I Commanded the Fake Church=Denominationalism

1. Jer 23:21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
2. Jer 27:10 For they prophesy a lie unto you, to remove you far from your land; and that I should drive you out, and ye should perish.
3. Jer 27:15 For I have not sent them, saith the LORD, yet they prophesy a lie in my name; that I might drive you out, and that ye might perish, ye, and the prophets that prophesy unto you.
4. Jer 29:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed. Jer 29:9 For they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: I have not sent them, saith the LORD.
5. Isa 59:3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath uttered perverseness. Isa 59:4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity. Isa 59:5 They hatch cockatrice eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper. Isa 59:6 Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.

Lying Prophets (BE NOT DECEIVED Matt 24:4)

• Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not from men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

1. Jer 23:20 The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he shall have executed, and till he shall have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. Jer 23:21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
2. Jer 23:22 But if thy had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they would have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings. Jer 23:23 Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off. Jer 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD. Jer 23:25 I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed. Jer 23:26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; Jer 23:27 Who think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbor, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal. Jer 23:28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD? Jer 23:29 Is not my word like a fire? saith the LORD? and like a hammer that break the rock in pieces? Jer 23:30 Therefore behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbor. Jer 23:31 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. Jer 23:32 Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.

Stephen Fights Fake Church=Denominationalism Revelation Chapter 2&3

Act 6:8 And (Christian) Stephen, (1) full of faith and (2) power, (3) performed great wonders and (4) miracles among the people. Act 6:9 (BEGINNING OF DENOMINATIONALISM) Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the (1) synagogue of the Libertines (denominational division), and (2) Cyrenians (denominational division), and (3) Alexandrians (denominational division), and of them of (4) Cilicia (denominational division), and of (5) Asia (denominational division) disputing with Stephen. Act 6:10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spoke. Act 6:11 Then they suborned men, who said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God. Act 6:12 And they stirred up the people, and the elders, and the scribes, and came upon him, and caught him, and brought him to the council, Act 6:13 And set up false witnesses, who said, This man ceases not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law: Act 6:14 For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place, and will change the customs which Moses delivered to us. Act 6:15 And all that sat in the council, looking steadfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel.

• Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departure grievous wolves will enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Act 20:30 Also from your own selves will men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
• Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, by which they lie in wait to deceive:
• 1Ti 1:10 For lewd persons, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for men-stealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,

Times of Ignorance

Act 17:28 KJV "For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, for we are also his offspring."

Act 17:28 For in him (Jesus) we (Christians) live (Eph 2:8-10 Rom 10:9,10), and move, and have our being (Acts 17:24); as certain also of your (denominationalists Rev 2&3) own (Rom 12:16 Titus 1:10-14) {poets Titus 1:12 2Cor 11:13-15 2Pet 2:1 1John 4:1 false prophets}) have said, for we (denominationalists Isa 30:1,10 Matt 15:7-9 Isa 29:13 Ezek 33:31) are also his (God) offspring.

Their Own Leadership (see Judas covenant Paper)

1. Rom 12:16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
2. Tit 1:9-11 Holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. Tit 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Tit 1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

• Tit 1:9-11 Holding fast the faithful word (Matt 3:11 John 1:1-3) as he has been taught (Acts 18:27 1Cor 15:1-4), that he may be able by sound doctrine (1Tim 1:10 2Tim 4:3 Isa 30:10) both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers (opposers Rom 1:16 1Cor 1:18 Phil 3:18). Tit 1:10 For there are many unruly (1Thess 5:14) and (1) vain (1Cor 15:2 Eph 5:6 Col 2:8 Jam 1:26) talkers (2) and deceivers 2Cor 11:13-15), (3) specially they of the circumcision: Tit 1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not (Eph 4:14), for filthy lucre's sake (Jer 17:5-7).
• Tit 1:12-14 One (even a prophet) of themselves (religious membership), even a prophet (poets Acts 17:28 {2Cor 11:13-15 2Pet 2:1 1John 4:1 false prophets}) of their (religious membership) own (Judas Acts 1:25), said, the Cretians are always liars, evil beasts (wicked hypocrite), slow bellies (lazy). Tit 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke (disapprove) them (religious members) sharply, that they may be sound (2Pet 2:19 Heb 5:12-6:1-6 Rev 2:13) in the faith (Rom 10:9,10 Eph 2:8-10); Tit 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables (Col 2:20-23 1Tim 1:4), and commandments of men (Mark 7:7,8 Col 2:22 2Pet 2:2), that turn (Rev 1:12) from the truth (John 14:6).

**Tit 1:12-14 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are always liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. Tit 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; Tit 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
**Explains Titus 1:12-14 This self-called, appointed, or elected individual has been accepted by the denominational members and is appointed by the administration who gives the title, “prophet” or what Paul calls “a poet.” This individual known as a poet openly declares “the entire membership within a different denominational branch are liars, wicked hypocrites, and lazy”. Paul says “this is a true statement” nevertheless while this false prophet declares this simple truth, he himself is a liar, a wicked hypocrite, and lazy. Saints, boldly disapprove of religious denominational doctrines and attempt to get denominationalists to accept the Christian Doctrines and the Gospel of Christ, so fulfilling their faith.

1 Timothy 6:5 KJV — Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

 

[Strong in Him]

Now it makes sense. You're a preacher, you've called yourself into service.

Nope, I've been called by God and my calling has been thoroughly tested by the church.
It wasn't something I did overnight or because I "felt like it". My training took 3 years (some take longer; some take less time), my services were assessed several times and I had at least 17 assignments to write.
During the whole training, and for a while afterwards, I had M.E. I had little strength of my own; it literally all came from God.

You are not blessed, you are under a curse.

Under a curse for doing what Jesus said and preaching the Gospel? Impossible.

Calling Yourself into Denominationalism

I did not "call myself into denominationalism". I've always been part of a local church; a member of the body of Christ.

Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spoke unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

I'm sure that some in Jeremiah's day did. I am not a prophet.
I believe, preach and (try to) live the Christian Gospel - the same Gospel preached by men.

2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2Co 11:14

I'm not a false Apostle; I'm not an Apostle at all.

• Divination: The Practice of seeing knowledge of the future or the unknown by supernatural means.

I don't practice divination and don't want to see the future.
God knows, and holds, my future.

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil,

I am a child of God.

he was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Yes, he was and is.
JESUS is the Truth. I belong to, and believe in, Jesus.

Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

1. Jer 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
2. Jer 9:5 And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity.
3. Jer 27:15 For I have not sent them, saith the LORD, yet they prophesy a lie in my name; that I might drive you out, and that ye might perish, ye, and the prophets that prophesy unto you.
4. Lam 2:14 Thy prophets have seen vain and foolish things for thee: and they have not discovered thine iniquity, to turn away thy captivity; but have seen for thee false burdens and causes of banishment.

When you've stopped foaming at the mouth, think about what you're saying with the irrelevant, out-of-context verses that you've posted.

You don't believe women should be allowed to preach? Fine. Many others believe that also; you have to do what you believe to be right.
But you have posted a great number of verses which imply that I am a false prophet, am lying, am a child of the devil and under a curse.
a) that is insulting, libellous and is known on these forums as "flaming".
b) that is totally illogical. My call was tested by the church and I was trained, assessed and interviewed by Christian, male, clergy. I would not have lasted 20 days, never mind 20 years, if this call had been all my idea or I had been doing it in my own strength.
c) this is not a matter of doctrine but of church practice. Jesus didn't teach that women were not allowed to preach his Gospel.
d) there is only one Gospel - so I preach the same things that men preach.
e) I, and others, obviously prayed about this call. Do you not think that God was capable of guiding me and telling me to stop if I were doing the wrong thing?

Stephen Fights Fake Church=Denominationalism Revelation Chapter 2&3

Act 6:8 And (Christian) Stephen, (1) full of faith and (2) power, (3) performed great wonders and (4) miracles among the people. Act 6:9 (BEGINNING OF DENOMINATIONALISM) Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the (1) synagogue of the Libertines (denominational division), and (2) Cyrenians (denominational division), and (3) Alexandrians (denominational division), and of them of (4) Cilicia (denominational division), and of (5) Asia (denominational division) disputing with Stephen. Act 6:10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spoke. Act 6:11 Then they suborned men, who said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God. Act 6:12 And they stirred up the people, and the elders, and the scribes, and came upon him, and caught him, and brought him to the council, Act 6:13 And set up false witnesses, who said, This man ceases not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law: Act 6:14 For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place, and will change the customs which Moses delivered to us. Act 6:15 And all that sat in the council, looking steadfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel.

a) you've said it was Revelation but have quoted from Acts.
b) there were no denominations when Stephen was around.

• Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departure grievous wolves will enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Act 20:30 Also from your own selves will men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
• Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, by which they lie in wait to deceive:
• 1Ti 1:10 For lewd persons, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for men-stealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine.

Stop quoting random, unrelated verses and say what you are trying to say.

 

[David Lamb]

Matthew 18:18 KJV — Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
The time is almost here. The seal war will show you exactly the power behind the Judas Covenant. Fight it all you want. Doesn't change what God is going to do.

But in Matthew 18:18 Jesus is talking to His disciples. It's certainly not saying that the evil agreement between Judas and the chief priests was being made with God, as you stated previously.

 

[NBB]

My pastor is a woman, and i feel Gods presence when i go there, and i bring it home.
Good enough for me, if for some reason it was so horrible for women to be pastor that would not happen.

 

[Hazelelponi]

My pastor is a woman, and i feel Gods presence when i go there, and i bring it home.
Good enough for me, if for some reason it was so horrible for women to be pastor that would not happen.

Do you feel God's promises?

Feelings are the most fickle and unreliable things we have. At the drop of a hat humans can love or hate based on an emotion in the moment.

The question to female pastor or to not female pastor has been argued into the dirt and the deception surrounding the argument so deep that it's difficult to see the right of it at times.

But when Scripture and the arguments are leaving you still confused, we do look to the Church for guidance and we have a rich history of that to draw from.

Historically one might get the impression that Christ is saying to women that He wants us to be faithful in what we are given and stop asking why God made us if we have a law and a line we can't cross....

Those who say well historically it was cultural mores that God is suddenly over, even though God is never changing, should ask themselves whether society is actually any better off since women started pastoring churches in Western nations.

Are our societies better?

My society is far far worse off than it was just the day before women started taking the pulpit here as a matter of practice. This society is descending fast.

If women are feeling the pull to pastor it's because you're under the judgement of God for sin, and your being tested and refined in the fire.

How we choose, whether to follow His way even if we don't understand it because He is our God and our Head, or whether we decide we know better than the main of Christians throughout the main of church history, is super important and I believe determines our eternity.

Eternal souls are in the balance and most people are choosing wrong..

If you look around with clear eyes all our nations are descending... They have progressed us into regression and degradation. We have only to repent.

 

[Legion7777777]

But in Matthew 18:18 Jesus is talking to His disciples. It's certainly not saying that the evil agreement between Judas and the chief priests was being made with God, as you stated previously.

Matthew 16:19 KJV — And I(Jesus) will give unto thee(disciples) the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou(disciples) shalt **bind on earth shall be **bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou(disciples) shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matthew 18:18 KJV — Verily I(Jesus) say unto you(disciples), Whatsoever ye(disciples) shall **bind on earth shall be **bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye(disciples) shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

The *covenant meaning of **binding or establishing an relationship between two parties

Matthew 26:15 KJV — And said unto them, What will ye give me(Judas/disciple/apostle), and I will deliver him unto you? And they *covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver.

Not sure how much more clear this could be.

 

[Strong in Him]

Do you feel God's promises?

Feelings are the most fickle and unreliable things we have.

Exactly.
So why would you suggest that a woman who is called by God is acting on a feeling?

But when Scripture and the arguments are leaving you still confused, we do look to the Church for guidance and we have a rich history of that to draw from.

We do.
Deborah was a judge over the whole nation - called by God.
Deborah, Miriam, Huldah, Isaiah's wife and Philip's daughters were prophetesses.
The Samaritan woman returned to her village to say that she had found the Messiah.
Mary Magdalene was chosen, by God, to be the first witness to the resurrection.
Women worked in the early church; Priscilla taught Apollos, Phoebe was a deacon, Paul had female co-workers and there were deaconesses in the church at Philippi.

There have always been women serving God and the church; Catherine of Siena, Hilda of Witby, Julian of Norwich and so on. They wrote books, founded convents or monasteries and so on.

Historically one might get the impression that Christ is saying to women that He wants us to be faithful in what we are given

Christ has never said that; not even when he was on earth.
Women were not allowed to learn - Jesus allowed Mary of Bethany to sit at his feet, in the place reserved for student Rabbis, and said he had chosen a good thing.
Women were thought too unreliable to be witnesses - Jesus chose a woman to be the first witness to the resurrection.
Women could be easily divorced - Jesus reminded people that male and female were made in God's image.
Society did much to repress women - Jesus elevated and restored them.

Those who say well historically it was cultural mores that God is suddenly over, even though God is never changing, should ask themselves whether society is actually any better off since women started pastoring churches in Western nations.

Society treats women better than some churches do; fact.
Society allows women to work, to enter "male" professions, eg plumber, if they wish (and it allows men to enter "female" professions like nursing.
Society, in general, looks at churches which do not allow women to be ordained and says "how old-fashioned/sexist."

Are our societies better?

My society is far far worse off than it was just the day before women started taking the pulpit here as a matter of practice. This society is descending fast.

Some may be.
But we are told not to conform to the world, so why is what "society" says so important? Society probably doesn't even recognise God.

If women are feeling the pull to pastor it's because you're under the judgement of God for sin,

What "sin" is that then?
The "sin" of preaching Jesus? The "sin" of marrying couples, baptising babies or new believers? The "sin" of visiting the sick or burying the dead?
If women believed they were called to ordination and that was not God's will, don't you think he would be perfectly capable of telling them?
Look at the OT; what happened when people sinned and disobeyed God? Come to that, what happened in the NT?

If you look around with clear eyes all our nations are descending... They have progressed us into regression and degradation. We have only to repent.

Many nations are without God, so of course they are.

 

[Legion7777777]

Nope, I've been called by God and my calling has been thoroughly tested by the church.
It wasn't something I did overnight or because I "felt like it". My training took 3 years (some take longer; some take less time), my services were assessed several times and I had at least 17 assignments to write.
During the whole training, and for a while afterwards, I had M.E. I had little strength of my own; it literally all came from God.

Under a curse for doing what Jesus said and preaching the Gospel? Impossible.

I did not "call myself into denominationalism". I've always been part of a local church; a member of the body of Christ.

I'm sure that some in Jeremiah's day did. I am not a prophet.
I believe, preach and (try to) live the Christian Gospel - the same Gospel preached by men.

I'm not a false Apostle; I'm not an Apostle at all.

I don't practice divination and don't want to see the future.
God knows, and holds, my future.

I am a child of God.

Yes, he was and is.
JESUS is the Truth. I belong to, and believe in, Jesus.

When you've stopped foaming at the mouth, think about what you're saying with the irrelevant, out-of-context verses that you've posted.

You don't believe women should be allowed to preach? Fine. Many others believe that also; you have to do what you believe to be right.
But you have posted a great number of verses which imply that I am a false prophet, am lying, am a child of the devil and under a curse.
a) that is insulting, libellous and is known on these forums as "flaming".
b) that is totally illogical. My call was tested by the church and I was trained, assessed and interviewed by Christian, male, clergy. I would not have lasted 20 days, never mind 20 years, if this call had been all my idea or I had been doing it in my own strength.
c) this is not a matter of doctrine but of church practice. Jesus didn't teach that women were not allowed to preach his Gospel.
d) there is only one Gospel - so I preach the same things that men preach.
e) I, and others, obviously prayed about this call. Do you not think that God was capable of guiding me and telling me to stop if I were doing the wrong thing?


a) you've said it was Revelation but have quoted from Acts.
b) there were no denominations when Stephen was around.

Stop quoting random, unrelated verses and say what you are trying to say.

Here is what I've been saying,

There is a way which seems Right unto a Man
Prov 14:12

1. Pro 14:12 There is a way (denominationalism) which seems right unto a man (see 2Pet 2 and Heb 5:12-6:1-6 papers), but the end thereof are the ways of death. 2Tim 2:4 entanglement of the sin nature
2. Act 9:4 And he (Paul) fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecute you (Paul) me (Jesus)?

• Gal 1:13-14 For you (Christians) have heard of my (Paul) conversation in time past in the Jews' religion (denomination), how that beyond measure I (Paul) persecuted the (True 1Pet 4:17 1Cor 6:16) church of God, and wasted (Acts 9:2) it: Gal 1:14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my (Paul) equals (Pharisees) in my own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions (Mark 7:8 Col 2:8 Jud 9:4) of my fathers. True Church Matt 16:13-20 Acts 20:28 Col 1:13-18 Heb 12:23)

1. Act 9:5-6 And he said, who are you, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom you persecute: it is hard for you (Paul) to kick against the pricks (Acts 1:20 {John 2:14,15}). Act 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what will you have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told you what you must do. Acts 9:1-6 Acts 26:14

• Acts 9:14 But have walked after the imagination of their (rejectors) own heart, and after Baalim (Num 24:14 Rev 2:14), which their fathers taught them (rejectors):

1. Mat 7:12-14 Therefore all things whatsoever you would that men should do to you, do you even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Mat 7:13 Enter you in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leads to destruction, and many there be which go in (Luke 13:24) thereat: Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate (Rom 1:16 1Cor 1:18), and narrow is the way, which leads unto life, and few there be that find it.

• Mat 22:37-40 Jesus said unto him, you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment. Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, you shall love your neighbor as yourself. Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
• 1Co 2:4 And my (Paul) speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 1Co 2:5 That your (Christians) faith should not stand in the wisdom (denominationalism) of men, but in the power (Matt 19:26 1Cor 1:18 Rom 1:16 1Cor 15:50-53 1Thess 4:13-17) of God. John 15:5 Acts 7:48 Acts 17:24

Prov 14:12 continues

1. Heb 12:10-11 For they (physical fathers Heb 12:5-9) verily for a few days chastened us (Christians) after their own pleasure; but he (Jesus) for our (Christians) profit (Rev 21&22), that we might be partakers of his (Jesus) holiness. Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seems to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it (chastening) yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them (Christians) which are exercised thereby. John 3:6
2. Rom 6:21 What fruit had you (Christians) then in those things whereof you are now ashamed (Phil 1:20 Heb 11:16)? for the end of those things (Isa 1:13-15) is death (1Cor 15:54-56).

• Hos 10:13 You (see Mark 12:1-12 paper) have plowed wickedness, you have reaped iniquity; you have eaten the fruit (Deut 32:31-33) of lies (John 8:44): because you did trust in your way (denominationalism), in the multitude of your mighty men (Militaries).

1. Rom 7:4-6 Wherefore, my (Paul) (Christian) brethren, you also are become dead to the law (Col 2:14 Rom 10:4) by the body of Christ; that you (Christians) (John 1:12 1John 3:2) should be married to another, even to him (Jesus) who is raised from the dead (Eph 4:8), that we (Christians) should bring forth fruit (Matt 7:20) unto God. Rom 7:5 For when we (Christians) were in the flesh (sin nature 2Pet 2:19), the motions of sins (Acts 17:28), which were by the law (Jam 2:10 Gal 3:24-27), did work in our members to bring forth fruit (Gal 5:19-21) unto death (Rev 20:14-15). Rom 7:6 But now we (Christians) are delivered from the law (Rom 3:20 Gal 5:18), that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit (John 3:3-8 Gal 5:22-25), and not in the oldness of the letter (Col 2:14 2Cor 3:6 Jer 14:14-15).
2. Jer 5:24-28 Neither say they in their heart, let us now fear the LORD our God, that gives rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserves unto us the appointed weeks (Isa 28:15-18 Scourge {Jer 30:7 Mark 4:29 7-year Tribulation Dan 9:27}) of the harvest. Jer 5:25 Your iniquities have turned away these things, and your sins have withholden good things from you.

• Jer 5:26 For among my people (Jews) are found wicked men: (1) they lay wait, (2) as he that sets snares (Isa 28:13 see snared paper); (3) they set a trap (1Tim 6:9), (4) they catch men. Jer 5:27 As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich. Jer 5:28 They are waxen fat, they shine: yes, they overpass the deeds of the wicked: they judge not the cause, the cause of the fatherless, yet they prosper; and the right of the needy do they not judge. 2Pet 2:12

1. Pro 12:15 The way of a fool (1Cor 1:18) is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkens unto counsel (Luke 7:30 Isa 9:6) is wise.
2. Pro 15:25 The LORD will destroy the house of the proud (Job 41:34 Isa 28:1): but he will establish the border of the widow.
3. Pro 30:12 There is a generation (future Isa 30:1 Matt 15:8) that are pure in their own eyes (Gal 3:10 Rom 9:32 Rev 2&3), and yet is not washed (Isa 29:13 1Pet 3:21) from their (rejectors) filthiness (2Cor 7:1).

Pro 14:12 continues

1. Gal 6:2-4 Bear you (Christians) one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ (Matt 5:17 Matt 22:37-40). Gal 6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. Gal 6:4 But let every man prove his own work (Matt 16:6), and then shall he have rejoicing (2Tim 2:15 Acts 17:11) in himself alone, and not in another (Jer 17:5 2Tim 3:6 Psa 17:8).

• 2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers (2Cor 11:13-15 1Tim 4:1) shall wax worse and worse (Isa 30:10), deceiving, and being deceived (2Tim 4:3).
• Jer 17:9-10 The heart (Rom 1:28 Jer 6:30 Matt 26:15) is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked (Gen 6:5 Pro 8:36): who can know it? Jer 17:10 I the LORD search the heart (Rev 3:20 Heb 12:6-10), I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways (Matt 11:15 John 10:27), and according to the fruit of his doings. (Rom 14:10 2Cor 5:10 Jam 1:22 )

1. Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words (1Cor 15:2 Jdg 9:4 2Pet 2:3): for because of these things comes the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience (Rom 1:21-32 2Cor 11:13-15).
2. Jas 1:22 But be you doers of the word (Matt 22:37-40 John 10:24), and not hearers only (see Heb 5:12-6:1-6 paper), deceiving your own selves (Jam 2:26).
3. Jer 7:4 Trust you not in lying words (Isa 28:15 Gen 3:7 2Tim 3:6), saying, the temple (Matt 23:21 Rev 2:13) of the LORD, the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD, are these. Titus 1:11 Isa 2:8

• Eze 21:27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him. see Titus 3 paper, subverting Titus 3:11
• Mat 26:34 Jesus said unto him, Verily I (Jesus) say unto you (Peter), that this night, before the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] crow, you (Peter) shall deny me (Jesus) thrice.

 

[Strong in Him]

Here is what I've been saying,

And I've been saying:
- that my church allows women to preach - and to be ordained, although I am not.
- that my call - which was not my idea since I never wanted to preach - was tested and assessed by fellow preachers and clergy.
- that congregations tell me also that I have a calling; in fact, a number say, "please don't give it up."

It wasn't a matter of it seeming or feeling right to me; there were many other people involved in discerning my call.
If it ever seemed that I was losing it, wandering away from the truth, or whatever, they would tell me.
And if the Lord said to me tomorrow "I don't want you to study for, and prepare, sermons, or lead worship", I would give it up. No hardship at all; there are many other things I could do with the time. I don't get paid; I choose to follow this call.

The bottom line also is; it doesn't matter what you say. My church, and colleagues allow this and are happy.

 

[Legion7777777]

And I've been saying:
- that my church allows women to preach - and to be ordained, although I am not.
- that my call - which was not my idea since I never wanted to preach - was tested and assessed by fellow preachers and clergy.
- that congregations tell me also that I have a calling; in fact, a number say, "please don't give it up."

It wasn't a matter of it seeming or feeling right to me; there were many other people involved in discerning my call.
If it ever seemed that I was losing it, wandering away from the truth, or whatever, they would tell me.
And if the Lord said to me tomorrow "I don't want you to study for, and prepare, sermons, or lead worship", I would give it up. No hardship at all; there are many other things I could do with the time. I don't get paid; I choose to follow this call.

The bottom line also is; it doesn't matter what you say. My church, and colleagues allow this and are hap

And I've been saying:
- that my church allows women to preach - and to be ordained, although I am not.
- that my call - which was not my idea since I never wanted to preach - was tested and assessed by fellow preachers and clergy.
- that congregations tell me also that I have a calling; in fact, a number say, "please don't give it up."

It wasn't a matter of it seeming or feeling right to me; there were many other people involved in discerning my call.
If it ever seemed that I was losing it, wandering away from the truth, or whatever, they would tell me.
And if the Lord said to me tomorrow "I don't want you to study for, and prepare, sermons, or lead worship", I would give it up. No hardship at all; there are many other things I could do with the time. I don't get paid; I choose to follow this call.

The bottom line also is; it doesn't matter what you say. My church, and colleagues allow this and are happy.

John 12:43 KJV — For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.
Good luck, I wish you the best.

 

[NBB]

Do you feel God's promises?

Feelings are the most fickle and unreliable things we have. At the drop of a hat humans can love or hate based on an emotion in the moment.

The question to female pastor or to not female pastor has been argued into the dirt and the deception surrounding the argument so deep that it's difficult to see the right of it at times.

But when Scripture and the arguments are leaving you still confused, we do look to the Church for guidance and we have a rich history of that to draw from.

Historically one might get the impression that Christ is saying to women that He wants us to be faithful in what we are given and stop asking why God made us if we have a law and a line we can't cross....

Those who say well historically it was cultural mores that God is suddenly over, even though God is never changing, should ask themselves whether society is actually any better off since women started pastoring churches in Western nations.

Are our societies better?

My society is far far worse off than it was just the day before women started taking the pulpit here as a matter of practice. This society is descending fast.

If women are feeling the pull to pastor it's because you're under the judgement of God for sin, and your being tested and refined in the fire.

How we choose, whether to follow His way even if we don't understand it because He is our God and our Head, or whether we decide we know better than the main of Christians throughout the main of church history, is super important and I believe determines our eternity.

Eternal souls are in the balance and most people are choosing wrong..

If you look around with clear eyes all our nations are descending... They have progressed us into regression and degradation. We have only to repent.

Hi, the presence of God can be felt, but is not a feeling, is God himself in YOU close to you. You just have to recognize what are you feeling with the discernment the Holy spirit gives you.

Also this pastor is harsher on sin and taking care of you salvation than other males pastors in my city. idk what that has to do with society decline.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Hi, the presence of God can be felt, but is not a feeling, is God himself in YOU close to you. You just have to recognize what are you feeling with the discernment the Holy spirit gives you.

Thank you..

God bless you greatly.

 

[Strong in Him]

Good luck, I wish you the best.

I don't believe in "luck."
I serve the Lord who created the universe and all things, who saw me before I was born and knows everything about me, Psalm 139. I believe in Jesus who has given me eternal life, made me his child, John 1:12 and filled me with his Spirit. He guides, and has guided, me as he promises to guide all his children. He knows the future, and my future - all things are in his hands.

Why would I need "luck" or "chance"?

 

[christian-surfer]

I have very little experience with hearing or knowing female pastors. A pastor is a leader of the church and helps to maintain the direction of the church. If women can have a tendency towards liberalism, that is a factor. Churches can go in various directions, some of which I think is wrong and the leadership can influence that.

In general women can be very spiritual and many women are drawn to churches. Women can be deeply involved in the administrative work of the church etc. In some ways women can often be more spiritual than men but they can also go into negative spiritual directions so church leadership at the top tends to be under the direction of men. Men and women are different but we are told that basically they are equal or are equal in their respective roles. They are not the same as in woke ideology where they say there is no such thing as a women etc, a very crazy thing. This shows one more obvious example of where churches can go wrong if they follow such ideas.

A pastor is involved in running the church and particularly the worship service. That may not mean I feel that he is better in some way than myself but someone has to do this work and I have very limited experience with female pastors. I think maybe the vineyard church has some women preachers but it was so long ago that I went there that I can barely remember

 

[Legion7777777]

Hi, the presence of God can be felt, but is not a feeling, is God himself in YOU close to you. You just have to recognize what are you feeling with the discernment the Holy spirit gives you.

Also this pastor is harsher on sin and taking care of you salvation than other males pastors in my city. idk what that has to do with society decline.

God takes care of salvation, not man. He's not going to leave it up to some man to take care of. Can a pastor forgive sin? moreover the Sin debt has been paid. Sins not the issue, its accepting Christ. Society decline does tell some of the story. If all these churches actually had power the society wouldn't be in decline. These denominational churches have exactly ZERO power to do anything. The power is in Christ alone. Like you said "God himself in YOU". Gods not in these temples made with hands. He came to do away with the temple practice and men keep building them.

 

[Legion7777777]

I don't believe in "luck."
I serve the Lord who created the universe and all things, who saw me before I was born and knows everything about me, Psalm 139. I believe in Jesus who has given me eternal life, made me his child, John 1:12 and filled me with his Spirit. He guides, and has guided, me as he promises to guide all his children. He knows the future, and my future - all things are in his hands.

Why would I need "luck" or "chance"?

Luke 11:42-44 KJV — But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love the uppermost seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.

Mark 7:16 KJV — If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

 

[Strong in Him]

Luke 11:42-44 KJV — But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love the uppermost seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.

Mark 7:16 KJV — If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

I'm not a Pharisee.

 

[NBB]

God takes care of salvation, not man. He's not going to leave it up to some man to take care of. Can a pastor forgive sin? moreover the Sin debt has been paid. Sins not the issue, its accepting Christ. Society decline does tell some of the story. If all these churches actually had power the society wouldn't be in decline. These denominational churches have exactly ZERO power to do anything. The power is in Christ alone. Like you said "God himself in YOU". Gods not in these temples made with hands. He came to do away with the temple practice and men keep building them.

You are mistaken, there are good churches still, that 'organized', with great servants of God.

 

[Legion7777777]

You are mistaken, there are good churches still, that 'organized', with great servants of God.

Matthew 16:19 KJV — And I(Jesus) will give unto thee(disciples) the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou(disciples) shalt **bind on earth shall be **bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou(disciples) shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matthew 18:18 KJV — Verily I(Jesus) say unto you(disciples), Whatsoever ye(disciples) shall **bind on earth shall be **bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye(disciples) shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

The *covenant meaning of **binding or establishing an relationship between two parties

Matthew 26:15 KJV — And said unto them(chief priests), What will ye give me(Judas/disciple/apostle), and I will deliver him(Jesus) unto you(Chief priests)? And they *covenanted(binding agreement) with him for thirty pieces of silver.

There is a way which seems Right unto a Man
Prov 14:12

1. Pro 14:12 There is a way (denominationalism) which seems right unto a man (see 2Pet 2 and Heb 5:12-6:1-6 papers), but the end thereof are the ways of death. 2Tim 2:4 entanglement of the sin nature
2. Act 9:4 And he (Paul) fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecute you (Paul) me (Jesus)?

• Gal 1:13-14 For you (Christians) have heard of my (Paul) conversation in time past in the Jews' religion (denomination), how that beyond measure I (Paul) persecuted the (True 1Pet 4:17 1Cor 6:16) church of God, and wasted (Acts 9:2) it: Gal 1:14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my (Paul) equals (Pharisees) in my own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions (Mark 7:8 Col 2:8 Jdg 9:4) of my fathers. True Church Matt 16:13-20 Acts 20:28 Col 1:13-18 Heb 12:23)

1. Act 9:5-6 And he said, who are you, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom you persecute: it is hard for you (Paul) to kick against the pricks (Acts 1:20 {John 2:14,15}). Act 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what will you have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told you what you must do. Acts 9:1-6 Acts 26:14

• Acts 9:14 But have walked after the imagination of their (rejectors) own heart, and after Baalim (Num 24:14 Rev 2:14), which their fathers taught them (rejectors):

1. Mat 7:12-14 Therefore all things whatsoever you would that men should do to you, do you even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Mat 7:13 Enter you in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leads to destruction, and many there be which go in (Luke 13:24) thereat: Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate (Rom 1:16 1Cor 1:18), and narrow is the way, which leads unto life, and few there be that find it.

• Mat 22:37-40 Jesus said unto him, you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment. Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, you shall love your neighbor as yourself. Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
• 1Co 2:4 And my (Paul) speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 1Co 2:5 That your (Christians) faith should not stand in the wisdom (denominationalism) of men, but in the power (Matt 19:26 1Cor 1:18 Rom 1:16 1Cor 15:50-53 1Thess 4:13-17) of God. John 15:5 Acts 7:48 Acts 17:24

Prov 14:12 continues

1. Heb 12:10-11 For they (physical fathers Heb 12:5-9) verily for a few days chastened us (Christians) after their own pleasure; but he (Jesus) for our (Christians) profit (Rev 21&22), that we might be partakers of his (Jesus) holiness. Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seems to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it (chastening) yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them (Christians) which are exercised thereby. John 3:6
2. Rom 6:21 What fruit had you (Christians) then in those things whereof you are now ashamed (Phil 1:20 Heb 11:16)? for the end of those things (Isa 1:13-15) is death (1Cor 15:54-56).

• Hos 10:13 You (see Mark 12:1-12 paper) have plowed wickedness, you have reaped iniquity; you have eaten the fruit (Deut 32:31-33) of lies (John 8:44): because you did trust in your way (denominationalism), in the multitude of your mighty men (Military).

1. Rom 7:4-6 Wherefore, my (Paul) (Christian) brethren, you also are become dead to the law (Col 2:14 Rom 10:4) by the body of Christ; that you (Christians) (John 1:12 1John 3:2) should be married to another, even to him (Jesus) who is raised from the dead (Eph 4:8), that we (Christians) should bring forth fruit (Matt 7:20) unto God. Rom 7:5 For when we (Christians) were in the flesh (sin nature 2Pet 2:19), the motions of sins (Acts 17:28), which were by the law (Jam 2:10 Gal 3:24-27), did work in our members to bring forth fruit (Gal 5:19-21) unto death (Rev 20:14-15). Rom 7:6 But now we (Christians) are delivered from the law (Rom 3:20 Gal 5:18), that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit (John 3:3-8 Gal 5:22-25), and not in the oldness of the letter (Col 2:14 2Cor 3:6 Jer 14:14-15).
2. Jer 5:24-28 Neither say they in their heart, let us now fear the LORD our God, that gives rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserves unto us the appointed weeks (Isa 28:15-18 Scourge {Jer 30:7 Mark 4:29 7-year Tribulation Dan 9:27}) of the harvest. Jer 5:25 Your iniquities have turned away these things, and your sins have withholden good things from you.

• Jer 5:26 For among my people (Jews) are found wicked men: (1) they lay wait, (2) as he that sets snares (Isa 28:13 see snared paper); (3) they set a trap (1Tim 6:9), (4) they catch men. Jer 5:27 As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich. Jer 5:28 They are waxen fat, they shine: yes, they overpass the deeds of the wicked: they judge not the cause, the cause of the fatherless, yet they prosper; and the right of the needy do they not judge. 2Pet 2:12

1. Pro 12:15 The way of a fool (1Cor 1:18) is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkens unto counsel (Luke 7:30 Isa 9:6) is wise.
2. Pro 15:25 The LORD will destroy the house of the proud (Job 41:34 Isa 28:1): but he will establish the border of the widow.
3. Pro 30:12 There is a generation (future Isa 30:1 Matt 15:8) that are pure in their own eyes (Gal 3:10 Rom 9:32 Rev 2&3), and yet is not washed (Isa 29:13 1Pet 3:21) from their (rejectors) filthiness (2Cor 7:1).

Pro 14:12 continues

1. Gal 6:2-4 Bear you (Christians) one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ (Matt 5:17 Matt 22:37-40). Gal 6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. Gal 6:4 But let every man prove his own work (Matt 16:6), and then shall he have rejoicing (2Tim 2:15 Acts 17:11) in himself alone, and not in another (Jer 17:5 2Tim 3:6 Psa 17:8).

• 2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers (2Cor 11:13-15 1Tim 4:1) shall wax worse and worse (Isa 30:10), deceiving, and being deceived (2Tim 4:3).
• Jer 17:9-10 The heart (Rom 1:28 Jer 6:30 Matt 26:15) is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked (Gen 6:5 Pro 8:36): who can know it? Jer 17:10 I the LORD search the heart (Rev 3:20 Heb 12:6-10), I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways (Matt 11:15 John 10:27), and according to the fruit of his doings. (Rom 14:10 2Cor 5:10 Jam 1:22 )

1. Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words (1Cor 15:2 Jud 9:4 2Pet 2:3): for because of these things comes the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience (Rom 1:21-32 2Cor 11:13-15).
2. Jas 1:22 But be you doers of the word (Matt 22:37-40 John 10:24), and not hearers only (see Heb 5:12-6:1-6 paper), deceiving your own selves (Jam 2:26).
3. Jer 7:4 Trust you not in lying words (Isa 28:15 Gen 3:7 2Tim 3:6), saying, the temple (Matt 23:21 Rev 2:13) of the LORD, the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD, are these. Titus 1:11 Isa 2:8

• Eze 21:27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him. see Titus 3 paper, subverting Titus 3:11
• Mat 26:34 Jesus said unto him, Verily I (Jesus) say unto you (Peter), that this night, before the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] crow, you (Peter) shall deny me (Jesus) thrice.

 

[NBB]

Matthew 16:19 KJV — And I(Jesus) will give unto thee(disciples) the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou(disciples) shalt **bind on earth shall be **bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou(disciples) shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matthew 18:18 KJV — Verily I(Jesus) say unto you(disciples), Whatsoever ye(disciples) shall **bind on earth shall be **bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye(disciples) shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

The *covenant meaning of **binding or establishing an relationship between two parties

Matthew 26:15 KJV — And said unto them(chief priests), What will ye give me(Judas/disciple/apostle), and I will deliver him(Jesus) unto you(Chief priests)? And they *covenanted(binding agreement) with him for thirty pieces of silver.

There is a way which seems Right unto a Man
Prov 14:12

1. Pro 14:12 There is a way (denominationalism) which seems right unto a man (see 2Pet 2 and Heb 5:12-6:1-6 papers), but the end thereof are the ways of death. 2Tim 2:4 entanglement of the sin nature
2. Act 9:4 And he (Paul) fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecute you (Paul) me (Jesus)?

• Gal 1:13-14 For you (Christians) have heard of my (Paul) conversation in time past in the Jews' religion (denomination), how that beyond measure I (Paul) persecuted the (True 1Pet 4:17 1Cor 6:16) church of God, and wasted (Acts 9:2) it: Gal 1:14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my (Paul) equals (Pharisees) in my own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions (Mark 7:8 Col 2:8 Jdg 9:4) of my fathers. True Church Matt 16:13-20 Acts 20:28 Col 1:13-18 Heb 12:23)

1. Act 9:5-6 And he said, who are you, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom you persecute: it is hard for you (Paul) to kick against the pricks (Acts 1:20 {John 2:14,15}). Act 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what will you have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told you what you must do. Acts 9:1-6 Acts 26:14

• Acts 9:14 But have walked after the imagination of their (rejectors) own heart, and after Baalim (Num 24:14 Rev 2:14), which their fathers taught them (rejectors):

1. Mat 7:12-14 Therefore all things whatsoever you would that men should do to you, do you even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Mat 7:13 Enter you in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leads to destruction, and many there be which go in (Luke 13:24) thereat: Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate (Rom 1:16 1Cor 1:18), and narrow is the way, which leads unto life, and few there be that find it.

• Mat 22:37-40 Jesus said unto him, you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment. Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, you shall love your neighbor as yourself. Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
• 1Co 2:4 And my (Paul) speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 1Co 2:5 That your (Christians) faith should not stand in the wisdom (denominationalism) of men, but in the power (Matt 19:26 1Cor 1:18 Rom 1:16 1Cor 15:50-53 1Thess 4:13-17) of God. John 15:5 Acts 7:48 Acts 17:24

Prov 14:12 continues

1. Heb 12:10-11 For they (physical fathers Heb 12:5-9) verily for a few days chastened us (Christians) after their own pleasure; but he (Jesus) for our (Christians) profit (Rev 21&22), that we might be partakers of his (Jesus) holiness. Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seems to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it (chastening) yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them (Christians) which are exercised thereby. John 3:6
2. Rom 6:21 What fruit had you (Christians) then in those things whereof you are now ashamed (Phil 1:20 Heb 11:16)? for the end of those things (Isa 1:13-15) is death (1Cor 15:54-56).

• Hos 10:13 You (see Mark 12:1-12 paper) have plowed wickedness, you have reaped iniquity; you have eaten the fruit (Deut 32:31-33) of lies (John 8:44): because you did trust in your way (denominationalism), in the multitude of your mighty men (Military).

1. Rom 7:4-6 Wherefore, my (Paul) (Christian) brethren, you also are become dead to the law (Col 2:14 Rom 10:4) by the body of Christ; that you (Christians) (John 1:12 1John 3:2) should be married to another, even to him (Jesus) who is raised from the dead (Eph 4:8), that we (Christians) should bring forth fruit (Matt 7:20) unto God. Rom 7:5 For when we (Christians) were in the flesh (sin nature 2Pet 2:19), the motions of sins (Acts 17:28), which were by the law (Jam 2:10 Gal 3:24-27), did work in our members to bring forth fruit (Gal 5:19-21) unto death (Rev 20:14-15). Rom 7:6 But now we (Christians) are delivered from the law (Rom 3:20 Gal 5:18), that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit (John 3:3-8 Gal 5:22-25), and not in the oldness of the letter (Col 2:14 2Cor 3:6 Jer 14:14-15).
2. Jer 5:24-28 Neither say they in their heart, let us now fear the LORD our God, that gives rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserves unto us the appointed weeks (Isa 28:15-18 Scourge {Jer 30:7 Mark 4:29 7-year Tribulation Dan 9:27}) of the harvest. Jer 5:25 Your iniquities have turned away these things, and your sins have withholden good things from you.

• Jer 5:26 For among my people (Jews) are found wicked men: (1) they lay wait, (2) as he that sets snares (Isa 28:13 see snared paper); (3) they set a trap (1Tim 6:9), (4) they catch men. Jer 5:27 As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich. Jer 5:28 They are waxen fat, they shine: yes, they overpass the deeds of the wicked: they judge not the cause, the cause of the fatherless, yet they prosper; and the right of the needy do they not judge. 2Pet 2:12

1. Pro 12:15 The way of a fool (1Cor 1:18) is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkens unto counsel (Luke 7:30 Isa 9:6) is wise.
2. Pro 15:25 The LORD will destroy the house of the proud (Job 41:34 Isa 28:1): but he will establish the border of the widow.
3. Pro 30:12 There is a generation (future Isa 30:1 Matt 15:8) that are pure in their own eyes (Gal 3:10 Rom 9:32 Rev 2&3), and yet is not washed (Isa 29:13 1Pet 3:21) from their (rejectors) filthiness (2Cor 7:1).

Pro 14:12 continues

1. Gal 6:2-4 Bear you (Christians) one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ (Matt 5:17 Matt 22:37-40). Gal 6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. Gal 6:4 But let every man prove his own work (Matt 16:6), and then shall he have rejoicing (2Tim 2:15 Acts 17:11) in himself alone, and not in another (Jer 17:5 2Tim 3:6 Psa 17:8).

• 2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers (2Cor 11:13-15 1Tim 4:1) shall wax worse and worse (Isa 30:10), deceiving, and being deceived (2Tim 4:3).
• Jer 17:9-10 The heart (Rom 1:28 Jer 6:30 Matt 26:15) is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked (Gen 6:5 Pro 8:36): who can know it? Jer 17:10 I the LORD search the heart (Rev 3:20 Heb 12:6-10), I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways (Matt 11:15 John 10:27), and according to the fruit of his doings. (Rom 14:10 2Cor 5:10 Jam 1:22 )

1. Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words (1Cor 15:2 Jud 9:4 2Pet 2:3): for because of these things comes the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience (Rom 1:21-32 2Cor 11:13-15).
2. Jas 1:22 But be you doers of the word (Matt 22:37-40 John 10:24), and not hearers only (see Heb 5:12-6:1-6 paper), deceiving your own selves (Jam 2:26).
3. Jer 7:4 Trust you not in lying words (Isa 28:15 Gen 3:7 2Tim 3:6), saying, the temple (Matt 23:21 Rev 2:13) of the LORD, the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD, are these. Titus 1:11 Isa 2:8

• Eze 21:27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him. see Titus 3 paper, subverting Titus 3:11
• Mat 26:34 Jesus said unto him, Verily I (Jesus) say unto you (Peter), that this night, before the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] crow, you (Peter) shall deny me (Jesus) thrice.

? There are good servants and people of God in 'organized denominations', even filled with the Holy spirit and God doing miracles through them.