Women should remain silent in the churches.

[Legion7777777]

its a covenant with a covenant keeping God. So what does that covenant do?

Satan was in Judas. temple made a deal with the devil. where does Satan dwell? where are his depths? his seat? the filthy lucre, doctrines of devils. why is this allowed?

 

[Strong in Him]

its a covenant with a covenant keeping God. So what does that covenant do?

What covenant are you talking about?

 

[Legion7777777]

The Chief priests made an agreement with Judas; lead us to Jesus and, in exchange, we will give you 30 pieces of silver.
As you have already said, this was prophesied, by God, in the OT. It wasn't a surprise or Judas' own idea; it was foreseen.

And this agreement has nothing at all to do with either women being called by God, nor with the various denominations.
Writing the word Covenant in capital letters doesn't change that.

I put it in all caps again. can you see it now? Matthew 26:15 KJV — And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they COVENANTED with him for thirty pieces of silver. $$$$$$$$


Isaiah 28:15 KJV — Because ye have said, We have made a COVENANT with death, and with hell are we at **agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

2 Corinthians 6:16-17 KJV — And what **agreement(Isa 28:15-18) hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among *THEM, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

Who is *THEM?

 

[Strong in Him]

Satan was in Judas. temple made a deal with the devil.

The agreement - or covenant if you like - was between Judas and the Chief Priests; hand Jesus over to us and we'll give you 30 pieces of silver.
That is what happened. The money was given, the deal done; Jesus was betrayed. End of agreement - the priests got what they wanted.
Even if the agreement had been ongoing, it would have ended with Judas' death.

A marriage is a covenant. When one person dies, the other cannot remain married; the covenant has been broken by death.
In Judas' case, he gave the money back too. No one could undo what had been done, but the agreement had been fulfilled.

 

[Strong in Him]

I put it in all caps again. can you see it now? Matthew 26:15 KJV — And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they COVENANTED with him for thirty pieces of silver. $$$$$$$$


Isaiah 28:15 KJV — Because ye have said, We have made a COVENANT with death, and with hell are we at **agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

2 Corinthians 6:16-17 KJV — And what **agreement(Isa 28:15-18) hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among *THEM, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

Who is *THEM?

I'm sorry but what you are saying doesn't make sense.

The subject of this thread is whether women should remain silent in church or whether they may preach or have some other role.
Its only connection with denominations is that different denominations understand Scripture differently and do different things. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Judas.
Maybe you should stop obsessing with him and address the subject of the thread.

 

[Legion7777777]

The agreement - or covenant if you like - was between Judas and the Chief Priests; hand Jesus over to us and we'll give you 30 pieces of silver.
That is what happened. The money was given, the deal done; Jesus was betrayed. End of agreement - the priests got what they wanted.
Even if the agreement had been ongoing, it would have ended with Judas' death.

A marriage is a covenant. When one person dies, the other cannot remain married; the covenant has been broken by death.
In Judas' case, he gave the money back too. No one could undo what had been done, but the agreement had been fulfilled.

you've been tricked

 

[Legion7777777]

I'm sorry but what you are saying doesn't make sense.

The subject of this thread is whether women should remain silent in church or whether they may preach or have some other role.
Its only connection with denominations is that different denominations understand Scripture differently and do different things. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Judas.
Maybe you should stop obsessing with him and address the subject of the thread.

This is why people accept the preaching of women in church's. its because they are not following the gospel of Christ. its absolutely not okay for women to preach. Those that accept that it should be okay have bought into a lie(Judas covenant) and they allow it. If you're under the Blood Covenant of Christ its clear what is taking place here.

 

[Legion7777777]

This is why people accept the preaching of women in church's. its because they are not following the gospel of Christ. its absolutely not okay for women to preach. Those that accept that it should be okay have bought into a lie(Judas covenant) and they allow it. If you're under the Blood Covenant of Christ its clear what is taking place here.

yourre looking at the smoke. You've got to look at the fire. This shouldnt even be up for debate.

 

[Strong in Him]

you've been tricked

You believe what you want to believe.

 

[Strong in Him]

This is why people accept the preaching of women in church's. its because they are not following the gospel of Christ. its absolutely not okay for women to preach. Those that accept that it should be okay have bought into a lie(Judas covenant) and they allow it. If you're under the Blood Covenant of Christ its clear what is taking place here.

Nonsense.
GOD calls women and gives authority to preach. Many churches realise and accept that - you clearly don't.

 

[Strong in Him]

yourre looking at the smoke. You've got to look at the fire. This shouldnt even be up for debate.

You're right that I shouldn't be debating nonsense like this with you.

 

[Legion7777777]

Nonsense.
GOD calls women and gives authority to preach. Many churches realise and accept that - you clearly don't.

Right I don't accept that. Yes the churches realize and accept that because they don't care what the Bible says. They are against God. They do whatever they want. They teach whatever they want. They pay them to get lied to. Its big business, they accommodate their customers. Has nothing to do with sound doctrine. Ill throw some more random made up verses at you....

Isaiah 30:1 KJV — Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:

Isaiah 30:9-10 KJV — That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD: Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:

2 Timothy 4:3-4 KJV — For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

show me in scripture where God calls and gives a women authority to preach.

 

[christian-surfer]

It just means that church should be a quiet meditation at times. If the women are always yapping then it would be a different type of place. I know several women who are like this, but you can't even tell them. This describes perfectly my sister, a girlfriend I know and my grandmother. It's taken for granted now that people in church shouldn't always be talking but perhaps when church was a new phenomenon that you couldn't be sure of that

Many scientific studies also show that women are more verbal and develop vocabulary earlier than men. In spirituality however, it's acknowledged by many eastern teachers that silence has great value. If you have been around some of these women long enough then you learn to really appreciate silence.

Women also have a greater tendency towards liberal thinking. Jewish sources acknowledge that women are more attracted to astrology, mediums, card reading, wicca, and spiritual practices that are not christian or jewish etc. It's known that women tend to follow the leftist political parties more often. It would make sense that if the Christian religion has a conservative bent then not having women leaders would fit with that.

Notice that society does not have a problem demonizing men, various criminals and killers tend to be men they will tell you which is what they refer to as toxic masculinity. So you want to say that there is no difference when it comes to women but the reality is there are gender differences. Why is there toxic masculinity on wikipedia but there is no toxic feminine ? They tell us with women leaders that we wouldn't have wars. That is obviously untrue as women have been promoters of wars and conflicts both recently and in the past

Allen Collins would agree about women talking (well known blues song):

[Chorus]
Oh honey hush, you know you talk too much
Oh honey hush, you know you talk too
Listenin' to your conversation is just about to separate us

[Verse 1]
You start talkin' in the morning, you're talkin' all day long
I'm figuring out what I did wrong

[Chorus]
But you talk so much, yes you talk so much
Listenin' to your conversation is just about to separate us

[Verse 2]
I stay out all day long, you know I hate to come home
Everything I do, baby seems to be wrong

[Chorus]
'Cause you talk so much, yeah you talk so much
Just listenin' to your conversation just about to separate us

[Verse 3]
I can't eat, I can't sleep, I can't rest in peace
I'll be better off walkin' the streets

[Chorus]
'Cause tou talk so much (What's the matter with you)
Yeah you talk so much
Just listenin' to your conversation just about to separate us (I don't know what's the matter with you gal')

 

[Strong in Him]

Right I don't accept that.

You are entitled to hold that view.

Yes the churches realize and accept that because they don't care what the Bible says.

Untrue.

They are against God.

Totally untrue. They preach Jesus and the Gospel.

They do whatever they want.

No, they pray, discuss and debate various issues, just as the early church did.
They are filled with the Spirit and believe in his guidance, just as the early church did.

They pay them to get lied to.

They pay who to "get lied to"?

Its big business, they accommodate their customers. Has nothing to do with sound doctrine.

The gender of those who preach the Gospel is not doctrine.
It doesn't change the Gospel.
It doesn't affect salvation.
It doesn't prevent anyone from being filled with the Holy Spirit.
It doesn't affect the fact that Jesus will return one day.

Ill throw some more random made up verses at you....

I never said your verses were made up, only that they were random - out of context.

show me in scripture where God calls and gives a women authority to preach.

In the OT, Deborah was raised up, by God, to be judge over the whole nation. She was also a prophetess and gave Barak a word from the lord, see Judges 4.
Huldah was a prophetess. When the king wanted a word from the Lord he sent his priests to consult someone. They chose to consult a woman, rather than any of the male prophets, 2 Kings 22:11-20. This word from God caused the king to tear down false idols and restore God's temple.
Miriam and Isaiah's wife were also prophetesses.
In the NT the woman at the well went back to her village and told them she had found the Messiah.
Jesus chose Mary Magdalene to be the first witness to the resurrection.
There were female deacons, and deaconesses, in the early church.
Paul had female co-workers who worked hard for the cause of the Gospel.
There is no Biblical record of the Apostles meeting together to discuss the "problem" of women.
Philip had 4 daughters who all prophesied.
When Paul listed the gifts that the Holy Spirit gives to ALL believers he did not say that any were for men only. Those gifts include teaching, evangelism and the role of a Pastor, Ephesians 4:11.

 

[David Lamb]

Matthew 26:14-16 KJV — Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests, And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they **covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver. And from that time he sought opportunity to betray him.
This is how the denominations operate. Under this Covenant.

There may be some denominations that act like Judas Iscariot and the chief priests, but it is wrong and unfair to say that all do.

 

[David Lamb]

You say that covenant doesn't exist? what do you do with that covenant? act like its not there?

But that covenant or agreement was between Judas Iscariot and the Chief Priests that Judas should betray Jesus to them and they would give him money. That covenant is over and done with.

 

[David Lamb]

its a covenant with a covenant keeping God. So what does that covenant do?

Where do we read that it was a covenant with God? Here is what Matthew wrote:

“14 ¶ Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests 15 and said, "What are you willing to give me if I deliver Him to you?" And they counted out to him thirty pieces of silver. 16 So from that time he sought opportunity to betray Him.” (Mt 26:14-16 NKJV)

Mark wrote:

“10 Then Judas Iscariot, one of the twelve, went to the chief priests to betray Him to them. 11 And when they heard [it], they were glad, and promised to give him money. So he sought how he might conveniently betray Him.” (Mr 14:10-11 NKJV)

Luke's account of the same event says:

“3 Then Satan entered Judas, surnamed Iscariot, who was numbered among the twelve. 4 So he went his way and conferred with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray Him to them. 5 And they were glad, and agreed to give him money.” (Lu 22:3-5 NKJV)

John says:

“And supper being ended, the devil having already put it into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s [son], to betray Him,” (Joh 13:2 NKJV)

Not one of the gospel writers says anything about a covenant with God.

 

[Legion7777777]

Where do we read that it was a covenant with God? Here is what Matthew wrote:

“14 ¶ Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests 15 and said, "What are you willing to give me if I deliver Him to you?" And they counted out to him thirty pieces of silver. 16 So from that time he sought opportunity to betray Him.” (Mt 26:14-16 NKJV)

Mark wrote:

“10 Then Judas Iscariot, one of the twelve, went to the chief priests to betray Him to them. 11 And when they heard [it], they were glad, and promised to give him money. So he sought how he might conveniently betray Him.” (Mr 14:10-11 NKJV)

Luke's account of the same event says:

“3 Then Satan entered Judas, surnamed Iscariot, who was numbered among the twelve. 4 So he went his way and conferred with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray Him to them. 5 And they were glad, and agreed to give him money.” (Lu 22:3-5 NKJV)

John says:

“And supper being ended, the devil having already put it into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s [son], to betray Him,” (Joh 13:2 NKJV)

Not one of the gospel writers says anything about a covenant with God.

Matthew 18:18 KJV — Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
The time is almost here. The seal war will show you exactly the power behind the Judas Covenant. Fight it all you want. Doesn't change what God is going to do.

 

[Legion7777777]

You are entitled to hold that view.

Untrue.

Totally untrue. They preach Jesus and the Gospel.


No, they pray, discuss and debate various issues, just as the early church did.
They are filled with the Spirit and believe in his guidance, just as the early church did.

They pay who to "get lied to"?


The gender of those who preach the Gospel is not doctrine.
It doesn't change the Gospel.
It doesn't affect salvation.
It doesn't prevent anyone from being filled with the Holy Spirit.
It doesn't affect the fact that Jesus will return one day.

I never said your verses were made up, only that they were random - out of context.

In the OT, Deborah was raised up, by God, to be judge over the whole nation. She was also a prophetess and gave Barak a word from the lord, see Judges 4.
Huldah was a prophetess. When the king wanted a word from the Lord he sent his priests to consult someone. They chose to consult a woman, rather than any of the male prophets, 2 Kings 22:11-20. This word from God caused the king to tear down false idols and restore God's temple.
Miriam and Isaiah's wife were also prophetesses.
In the NT the woman at the well went back to her village and told them she had found the Messiah.
Jesus chose Mary Magdalene to be the first witness to the resurrection.
There were female deacons, and deaconesses, in the early church.
Paul had female co-workers who worked hard for the cause of the Gospel.
There is no Biblical record of the Apostles meeting together to discuss the "problem" of women.
Philip had 4 daughters who all prophesied.
When Paul listed the gifts that the Holy Spirit gives to ALL believers he did not say that any were for men only. Those gifts include teaching, evangelism and the role of a Pastor, Ephesians 4:11.

You can play Church all you want, But there are consequences for it. You've been subverted.

 

[Strong in Him]

You can play Church all you want,

I'm not playing at anything.

But there are consequences for it.

Like what?
I've been preaching for 20 years.

You've been subverted.

No, I've been blessed.