The timely truth about the Book of Genesis

[Michie]

They say that this happened: Back when railroads dominated transportation in this country, a Protestant minister rose in his pulpit and told his congregation that under no circumstances should anyone travel by train, or ship goods by rail, because the Book of Genesis does not sanction steam engines.

He got that right. Genesis says nothing about steam engines because it is not a scientific textbook. It was written in a time, long ago, when science meant ideas totally different from today's theories.

Still, it is a wonderful, magnificent gift from Almighty God. The Holy Spirit inspired its author to inform people of that generation, and thereafter, about what life is all about and how they should live to find peace and joy in their lives.

Sadly, Genesis has been so misunderstood, usually by well-meaning, god-fearing believers like the minister who condemned steam engines.

"Creationism," for example, fixates on the first of the stories about the creation of the world in Genesis, which states that God created all things one day at a time, six days in all, and on the seventh day, God "rested," -- of course relying upon contemporary ways to calculate the passage of time: twenty-four hours, midnight to midnight; weeks of seven days and so on. (Another creation story in Genesis, which says that God created the world in one great divine act, is seldom noted.)

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The timely truth about the Book of Genesis

Misinterpretations of Genesis result when we apply modern scientific categories to this ancient text.

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[chevyontheriver]

They say that this happened: Back when railroads dominated transportation in this country, a Protestant minister rose in his pulpit and told his congregation that under no circumstances should anyone travel by train, or ship goods by rail, because the Book of Genesis does not sanction steam engines.

He got that right. Genesis says nothing about steam engines because it is not a scientific textbook. It was written in a time, long ago, when science meant ideas totally different from today's theories.

Still, it is a wonderful, magnificent gift from Almighty God. The Holy Spirit inspired its author to inform people of that generation, and thereafter, about what life is all about and how they should live to find peace and joy in their lives.

Sadly, Genesis has been so misunderstood, usually by well-meaning, god-fearing believers like the minister who condemned steam engines.

"Creationism," for example, fixates on the first of the stories about the creation of the world in Genesis, which states that God created all things one day at a time, six days in all, and on the seventh day, God "rested," -- of course relying upon contemporary ways to calculate the passage of time: twenty-four hours, midnight to midnight; weeks of seven days and so on. (Another creation story in Genesis, which says that God created the world in one great divine act, is seldom noted.)

Continued below.

The timely truth about the Book of Genesis

Misinterpretations of Genesis result when we apply modern scientific categories to this ancient text.

www.oursundayvisitor.com

Um, no steam engines, no infernal combustion engines, just horses, mules, donkey carts, chariots, oh, and boats. But then only sailboats. What's not to like.

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[boughtwithaprice]

They say that this happened: Back when railroads dominated transportation in this country, a Protestant minister rose in his pulpit and told his congregation that under no circumstances should anyone travel by train, or ship goods by rail, because the Book of Genesis does not sanction steam engines.

He got that right. Genesis says nothing about steam engines because it is not a scientific textbook. It was written in a time, long ago, when science meant ideas totally different from today's theories.

Still, it is a wonderful, magnificent gift from Almighty God. The Holy Spirit inspired its author to inform people of that generation, and thereafter, about what life is all about and how they should live to find peace and joy in their lives.

Sadly, Genesis has been so misunderstood, usually by well-meaning, god-fearing believers like the minister who condemned steam engines.

"Creationism," for example, fixates on the first of the stories about the creation of the world in Genesis, which states that God created all things one day at a time, six days in all, and on the seventh day, God "rested," -- of course relying upon contemporary ways to calculate the passage of time: twenty-four hours, midnight to midnight; weeks of seven days and so on. (Another creation story in Genesis, which says that God created the world in one great divine act, is seldom noted.)

Continued below.

The timely truth about the Book of Genesis

Misinterpretations of Genesis result when we apply modern scientific categories to this ancient text.

www.oursundayvisitor.com

The title of the article is deceptive. It should read A Contemporary Argument used to Discredit Genesis as the Word of God.
It may be factually true that a Protestant minister used a faulty argument in favor of Genesis, but that fact has no bearing on the veracity of the Genesis account.

It tried to discredit Genesis as myth and legend while failing to note that what we call science today mainly consists of myth and legend.
Don’t believe me? Of course not, you have been told different and made to feel shame if you doubt the current narrative.

What is the current narrative? Big bang, old universe, evolution of life. That is a real whopper, but you believe it easily enough.

10- And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying. 2 Thessalonians 2:10


Science is observation, but what has been passed off as modern science has never been observed and may never be. It is inferred in the minds of men and taught to children as absolute fact. That is the same behavior of which they accuse Christians, but theirs is ok because they don’t use God, because they have made themselves God


Just take something simple as the speed of light. All the inferences on the age and size of the universe are based on that one calculation.
The truth is we don’t know the speed of light. We know the speed of reflection, but no experiment has been performed to show the one way speed of light. That means everything could be wrong, but no one admits it, because they are afraid of being called a kook. It’s there in the scientific literature but its significance is ignored

Instead I see my nine year old’s homework has a lesson on truth or fiction that states Galileo proved that the Earth goes around the Sun. She is to mark that as true, when it is no such thing.

It is an inference that may be true, but it was not observed. Lovers of truth no that we cannot prove that the Earth goes around the Sun observationally. It’s a subtle difference, but Galileo did not prove that the Earth goes around the Sun. He observed that Venus goes around the Sun and moons go around Jupiter, but that is too hard to explain to a nine year old. Just lie and tell her he proved the Earth goes around the Sun

If we are wrong about the speed of light and our inference of the Earth going around the Sun, then the whole thing starts to fall apart

Today’s science is a narrative. They make a hypothesis that God does not exist and collect data in an attempt to prove what they say is true and discredit data which goes against their narrative
Science in its true form makes an hypothesis and searches tor data to discredit or falsify that hypothesis. The scientific method has been abandoned by contemporary scientists because unless they go along with the current narrative, they won’t be paid

Evolution is the biggest joke that would be funny if it were not so violently defended. They say Chimps and humans are 99.2 % identical. Ok, even if we give them that, there still are 35,000,000 base pair differences in the genome
How can random mutation and natural selection account for that? We also see that 99% sequence homology only translates to 20% protein homology. Oh but we don’t tell our children that. We just say we came from apes, even though we have the generations listed from Adam to Christ.

We can observe that DNA research points back to a mitochondrial Eve and a Y chromosome Adam, but we will just tell people that it is hundreds of thousands of years and not six thousand and those observed Adam and Eve did not appear at the same time

Genesis says that water was the first molecule God created, and we can observe water on the surface of the Sun as well as other places around our solar system and discard its significance

Genesis also says the Sun and stars were created after the first light of the first day. We can observe that when all the light from the sun and stars is subtracted, there remains light in the universe, but no big deal we just ignore it

I don’t trust what modern people tell me what science is anymore. I trust the word of God that loved me and gave Himself for me.
There is more historical evidence that is true than anything that passes for science today. Call me kooky

 

[Diamond72]

It was written in a time, long ago, when science meant ideas totally different from today's theories.

Primitive does not mean different. The natural laws all remain the same as they were. Moses and Abraham were very well educated in their day and they could have considered themselves to be very advanced.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

Primitive does not mean different. The natural laws all remain the same as they were. Moses and Abraham were very well educated in their day and they could have considered themselves to be very advanced.

The irony is what we call science today is closer to myth and speculation than the so called primitive science of the ancients

We have abandoned philosophical first principles and honest secular scientists are now seeing that evolution is a complete fairy story and a mathematical impossibility.

Cosmology is also in doubt as taught today

Modern science is not science rather a narrative

They loved not the truth and were given a lie to believe

 

[Diamond72]

The irony is what we call science today is closer to myth and speculation than the so called primitive science of the ancients

I did construction. Mostly remodeling and renovation. People can talk all they want to, but the question is, do they have what it takes to make it happen in the real world. Science has that ability because they can predict. Talkers may or may not have what it takes but they fail to prove themselves until the rubber meets the road.

There is irony in the idea that people come on a network built by science to tell us they do not believe in science. If what you said was true we would not be having this conversation on this media. As they say the proof is in the pudding.

 

[RileyG]

Um, no steam engines, no infernal combustion engines, just horses, mules, donkey carts, chariots, oh, and boats. But then only sailboats. What's not to like.

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What about airplanes?

 

[Diamond72]

no infernal combustion engines,

Is this a joke or a typo?

 

[Diamond72]

What about airplanes?

My Grandparents lived in Dayton when the Wright Brothers flew their first plane. There were others that were trying to fly but they did not have the right formula. The Wright Brothers could get their plane to fly because they got the math right. The same math that is used on every plane that has ever been built.

The Wright Brothers achieved successful flight because they accurately applied mathematical principles related to lift, drag, and aerodynamics, which are still fundamental to the design of all modern airplanes today.

 

[RileyG]

My Grandparents lived in Dayton when the Wright Brothers flew their first plane. There were others that were trying to fly but they did not have the right formula. The Wright Brothers could get their plane to fly because they got the math right. The same math that is used on every plane that has ever been built.

The Wright Brothers achieved successful flight because they accurately applied mathematical principles related to lift, drag, and aerodynamics, which are still fundamental to the design of all modern airplanes today.

That's pretty awesome!

 

[Diamond72]

That's pretty awesome!

He sold tickets for the railroad. My son likes to take a train every now and then. Of course it is faster to fly.

 

[RileyG]

He sold tickets for the railroad. My son likes to take a train every now and then. Of course it is faster to fly.

I think many trains you can travel on are now shut down, unfortunately.

 

[Diamond72]

I think many trains you can travel on are now shut down, unfortunately.

In Hong Kong anything goes. You can take a taxie, bus, subway, train, boat. Some areas are bicycle only. The express train to the airport is very smooth and very modern. The bus up in the mountains is like a rollar coaster. They do not have a seat belt, you just have to hang onto the bar they give you. It is a lot of fun.

 

[RileyG]

In Hong Kong anything goes. You can take a taxie, bus, subway, train, boat. Some areas are bicycle only. The express train to the airport is very smooth and very modern. The bus up in the mountains is like a rollar coaster. They do not have a seat belt, you just have to hang onto the bar they give you. It is a lot of fun.

That's interesting. I know in London they have the Tube which is a fun way to travel. I live in a smaller city, so we have cars, bikes, and a bus system.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

I did construction. Mostly remodeling and renovation. People can talk all they want to, but the question is, do they have what it takes to make it happen in the real world. Science has that ability because they can predict. Talkers may or may not have what it takes but they fail to prove themselves until the rubber meets the road.

There is irony in the idea that people come on a network built by science to tell us they do not believe in science. If what you said was true we would not be having this conversation on this media. As they say the proof is in the pudding.

I did not say all things called science are bad. Science is actually a very good thing. You put words in my mouth by saying that I deny science.
Most of what we are told today is not science, rather narrative and inference, not observation

Take for instance the speed of light. Everyone knows that . Oh really? No one has ever designed an experiment that shows us the one way speed of light. We know the speed of reflection and infer the speed of light. Why is that important?
The inferred speed of light is how we calculate the age and size of the universe. If the interference is wrong then all the calculations are wrong.

But they can’t admit that. They push their inference as proven scientific fact when it is not. They can’t admit that it is just not known, so they make stuff up like dark matter and dark energy which completely unknown and unobservable but is required to make the calculations work so it must be there. That is not science, that is forcing the data to fit a narrative.

Science is the search for truth and operates on philosophical first principles. These have been abandoned by the narratives we are taught today

This computer behaves according to creationist principles, but we are lead to believe that life came from evolutionist principles. Computers are run by binary code and possibly quantum code. Regardless of which, the information is not in the components of the code arrived at by random mistakes and natural selection. The information is in the intelligence that wrote the correct code from the original 1s and 0s to the complex megapixel programs we have today. Without human intelligence, computers would not have evolved into what we see today, and if our race is annihilated, the computers today would eventually cease to exist. No one believes that computers just happened

Life in DNA is the most sophisticated computer program ever written. In a simple 4 base pair sequence, we have genetic code that can produce millions of different species from single cell to human being. They can all work together to occupy the sea , land and air and sustain the life that was begun. Plants taken carbon dioxide and release oxygen to make fuel for animals. Animals take oxygen and use it to burn that fuel to make carbon dioxide so the two can be mutually self sustaining. Perfect balance that is the equivalent of millions, billions perhaps trillions or more lines of code. We are told that it just happened by chance and required no intelligence, despite overwhelming evidence that there is genetic entropy taking place today, not evolution. Even if you say evolution happened in ancient time over billions of years, that does not account for the Cambrian explosion of complex life forms. We have intelligence denying intelligence exists, how intelligent it that?

Even if we accept that chimps and humans are 99.2% identical, that still leaves 35,000,000 precise base pair changes to the code. 4 billion years is not enough time to have these changes made by chance and natural selection. The changes do not happen without intelligence period.

Tell me again how Genesis is a myth

We now see through a glass darkly but then face to face. We will know just as we are fully known. You need to be prepared to see the brightness of eternity, or the shock will be too much for you. Stop accepting the false narrative that science and God are mutually exclusive. Admit what you do not know and search for the truth

 

[chevyontheriver]

Is this a joke or a typo?

It's not a typo.

 

[Diamond72]

Take for instance the speed of light. Everyone knows that . Oh really?

Yes, that is a good example because no on knows the speed of light. I have heard of the butterfly effect but do you think the small discrepancy of the speed of light is enough to make a difference between 6,000 years and 12.9 billion years?

My son did some work on quality control for Wolfspeed. They make silicon carbide nano semiconductors for use in cars.
There is a range they have to work with to maintain the quality they want. I presume they want their semiconductors to last for the life of the car if the are building an audi or something like that.

Math can be very exact and precise. But to get things to work in the real world may not be so exact and precise.

unknown and unobservable

We can not observe ANY of the laws. We do not even know where they are. We can only study the effect and try to figure out what could be causing that effect.

The information is in the intelligence that wrote the correct code from the original 1s and 0s to the complex megapixel programs we have today.

My son is a computer engineer (magna cum laude) but he can still do some pretty stupid things. People are so busy with their books and their classes that they do not have time to study and learn common sense. Thomas Paine wrote about this from the beginning. But the Government does not want to use common sense. Science often does not want to use common sense.

We are told that it just happened by chance

This is where Fred Hoyle comes in. "Life cannot have had a random beginning". Hoyle believed that the probability of life originating at random was so small that it was absurd. He compared the chance of obtaining all 2,000 enzymes needed for life to one part in 10^40,000.

Does anyone listen to Hoyle that their theory is impossible? No, they ignore him.

Admit what you do not know

Ok, so you admit you do not know. I got it. I do not need to know. I pray until God gives me peace. We are told "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight" Proverbs 3 5,6

 

[Diamond72]

cars, bikes, and a bus system.

I use to have a trail bike around 70 cc. It was a lot of fun and I made a lot of trails with it that people still use today. I used a medical scooter for a while on the bike trails. I had a few discussions with the park rangers but it is a federal law that you can use them anywhere a pedestrian can go. It is wonderful to get out of the city and onto the trails.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

Ok, so you admit you do not know. I got it. I do not need to know. I pray until God gives me peace. We are told "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight" Proverbs 3 5,6

You may believe that, but those that call themselves scientists generally do not. The American Academy of science is over 90% atheist.


I’ve worked in science my whole life and am familiar with its general principles.

My specialty is human anatomy and physiology and how it interacts with pharmacology. I have done work in molecular biology. There is nothing in my years of study that lead me to believe that evolution is true.

You say it does not matter, just trust in God. I agree to an extent. It’s not going to make a difference to me. I just can’t stand children being taught blatant falsehoods as scientific truth when it’s not. It’s just a peer pressure experiment.

My eight year old daughter came home with a third grade assignment for English that told her to separate fact from fiction.

The teacher had her mark the statement, “Galileo proved that the Earth revolves around the Sun” as fact. I said that is absolutely false. Galileo observed moons going around Jupiter and Venus going around the Sun and inferred that the Earth does the same. We cannot prove that the Earth is in motion by purely observational data. We can observe that the universe is expanding in all directions but the center cannot be proven. I educate my daughter at home, but she still goes to public school.

I am amazed by her thought processses. We are hearing about abortion on TV all the time, so she asked my wife about what it was. My wife said sometimes women do not want their babies and say they have the right to choose how to use their body. My 9 year old daughter with no
Indoctrination from my wife or myself said, but that baby is alive. They cannot do that, it’s murder. My wife said some women choose to not have their baby anyway. She said but they chose have boy parts put in them, they have to have that baby. My wife did not tell her this, but she did reinforce her conclusions. She said, yes little girl, our genitals are for generating babies and it is wrong to pretend they are not.

You may say it is hair splitting, to explain inference from fact, but to propose the hair split as absolute science when it is not, dumbs down and limits science rather than expands it. Science should just tell the truth, rather than force us to believe the data contradicts the word of God, it does not

To allow falsehood to reign is to allow evil to be called good. God says woah to those that call the evil good and the good evil. It distorts the human mind.

Out of the mouth of babes comes the truth. The emperor has no clothes. Unless you become as a little child, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven

 

[Diamond72]

The American Academy of science is over 90% atheist.

Actually, the data suggests a more nuanced picture. According to a 2009 Pew Research Center poll, about 51% of members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) believe in some form of deity or higher power. Specifically, 33% believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power2.

So one third of scientists are saved just like all tongues, tribes, people and nations. Revelation 7:9

I just can’t stand children being taught blatant falsehoods as scientific truth when it’s not.

They are taught Biology. Just what problem do you have with the Biology book. This has been in court a lot and the conclusion is always the same. This is the best explanation that we have. You want to burn the Biology book and then what? You do not have a better book to teach them. If you did then you would be writting text books. My brother actually did write a text book that they used in medical school. It is a lot of research and a lot of hard work.

How many articles do you have published? It does not have to be the exact number just a ball park figure. What problem do you have with the peer review system that science uses. It may not be good enough but what do you have to offer that is better?

“Galileo proved that the Earth revolves around the Sun” as fact. I said that is absolutely false. Galileo observed moons going around Jupiter and Venus going around the Sun and inferred that the Earth does the same.

We are talking about grade level teaching. Even we teach the Bible in Sunday school. But they do not really learn the Bible until they are older and enter into the sanctuary. We just teach the literal Bible to students.

Indeed, Galileo Galilei provided strong evidence supporting the heliocentric model, which proposed that the Earth and other planets revolve around the Sun. His observations, such as the phases of Venus and the moons of Jupiter, challenged the prevailing geocentric view and eventually led to a paradigm shift in our understanding of the cosmos.

We can observe that the universe is expanding in all directions but the center cannot be proven.

I have been to the center of the universe, it is not where the universe began. There is nothing other than space at both locations today. This was actually a dream I had when I was around 8 years old. As far as I know Science lines up with the dream and it was accurate.

They cannot do that, it’s murder.

I have a situation similar with my son right now. I also had a dream about this. If you abort a baby that baby goes to Heaven. IF the parent wants to go to Heaven they have to be reconciled with that baby. They are going to need to establish a relationship with their child. Even I hear pastors say you have to get along with everyone in Heaven if you want to go there. Maybe this is why we are to love our enemy. What if they make it into Heaven like the situation with Corrie Tan Boon and the worse guard at the concentration camp that she was in and her sister died at.

our genitals are for generating babies and it is wrong to pretend they are not.

One in 500 have an extra x or y chromosome. What sort of an attitude should they have about that. For me they just have to trust their situation to God and He will help them to work it all out. Just like the rest of us. Of course the world says they need surgery or drugs because that puts money in people pocket if it helps or harms them.

Science should just tell the truth, rather than force us to believe the data contradicts the word of God, it does not

We keep going around this same Mayberry bush. YOU have to come up with something better. Science is all about the best we nave to offer and no one thinks it is infallible. We all admit the limitations we have and the limitations that science has. I personally am grateful for what little bit of understanding they provide for us about God's Creation.

My father was a medical doctor and if he had not vaccinated people only have the people would be alive today. At least that is the figure my brother gives me from his experience as a missionary doctor in third world nations that do not have the vaccines we use in American.

Of course there are people that want to stuff money in their pocket my selling vaccines that do more harm than good. For me that is fine if they want to sell a placebo and get rich. But the real objective seems to be population control. So if you want to attack science then lets attack the people who use science to get rich no matter who they hurt. Like the whole situation with oxy cotton or fentanyl. Some where along the way we have to deal with witchcraft in the book of revelation and the harm that drugs can do to people.

If you want to attack science there is plenty to attack. But science itself is neutral. People decide if they want to use science for good or evil.