ICE Data on Immigrants Convicted of Homicide, Living in the U.S.

[Stephen3141]

More than 13,000 immigrants convicted of homicide are living outside immigration detention in the U.S., ICE says

Two law enforcement officials said many of those migrants crossed into the U.S. under previous administrations, and that the total includes people serving U.S. prison sentences.

www.nbcnews.com

Curiously, as many new sources have ALSO mentioned, the serious crime rate in
America has gone down, and not up (as the Trump campaign is continually
claiming).

BOTH political parties should have passed the last immigration reform
bill, that was presented to Congress. Trump killed this bill.

 

[Stephen3141]

Note that ICE claims that it does not have the resources, to locate
many of these illegals with a known criminal past.

If America wants better handling of migrants, then it must fund ICE
more strongly, and the border patrol officers from local police
departments.

 

[Laodicean60]

Then you have these clowns.

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[FireDragon76]

Note that ICE claims that it does not have the resources, to locate
many of these illegals with a known criminal past.

If America wants better handling of migrants, then it must fund ICE
more strongly, and the border patrol officers from local police
departments.

Overstaying visas accounts for far more immigration than people crossing the southern border illegally. And that's a much more difficult issue to address.

 

[Astrid]

Overstaying visas accounts for far more immigration than people crossing the southern border illegally. And that's a much more difficult issue to address.

At least the overstay people had visas.
They had some sort of vetting, not zero.

Why are overstays hard to deal with?

At NYU was I was ordered to return to Hong Kong
because of a mistake THEY MADE.

Deporting overstays at least involves known people,
not ghosts.

 

[Stephen3141]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/29/politics/fact-check-trump-harris-immigrants-homicide/index.html

Note that I thought it fair to post the original article.

But also note that Trump does not seem to read articles carefully.
This CNN article makes it clear that the 13,000 dangerous people
it refers to, entered the U.S. OVER DECADES, and some of them were
in detention facilities.

Be careful, when Trump starts making claims about thousands of
murderers running around free in the U.S.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

There's a couple things that need to be considered when discussing "has crime gone up or down", as people have been leveraging a "creative use of data" to convey a particular message.

A) it largely operates off of arrest and conviction data. Which as I'm sure we all know, can be a challenge when involving a cohort of people for whom there is no official paper trail.

B) They confined it to a particular time window, which makes it easier to make misleading suggestions.

For Example:
If over a 3 year period -
If Dave increased his daily beer intake from 5 to 10 over a period of 2 years, and then in the final year, scaled it back down to 8.

It'd be, albeit statistically true, but a little misleading to say "Dave's drinking has actually gone down 20% in the past year" as a means of implying "people who are concerned about Dave's drinking are just overreacting"

C) They used to consume 2 data sources to build their reports, now they've consolidated into only one, and it happens to be the one that a large number of LEO agencies aren't reliably reporting to.

FBI crime reports (that indicate a drop in crime) coincide with them switching to using the solitary data source called the NIBRS...a source for which nearly a third of the nation's law enforcement entities aren't reporting data to.

See if Police in Your State Reported Crime Data to the FBI​

Nearly one-third of law enforcement agencies are missing from the FBI's 2022 crime statistics. Use our tables to check on your state and local agencies.

www.themarshallproject.org

as opposed to before, where they used the NIBRS in conjunction with the NCVS to get a bigger picture.

So it stands to reason that it would show an overall decrease if they keep the source that shows the numbers going down (and that have heavily varying rates of participation), and put a 3 year pause on the one that showed certain crimes going up.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

BOTH political parties should have passed the last immigration reform
bill, that was presented to Congress. Trump killed this bill.

For this bit in particular... The sincerity of the motivations were (rightfully) in question.

Democrats only seemed to pivot on that issue once they realized that it could be a winner for Trump.

...which raises the question, if their only reason for doing it is so that he doesn't have a winning issue to run on, is their position on it going to remain consistent after they win? Or, will it be a case where they quickly revert to their old position immediately after they get the win?

To use an inverse example, if a Republican governor who was up for reelection (and could see that the abortion issue was shaping up to be a losing issue for them), did a surprising 180 on that issue 6 months before election time, would you trust it? Ex: if Ron DeSantis came out with a pro-choice position just to pull the rug out from his Democratic opponent right before the election, would you trust that to be a "lasting stance" on the issue, or would you have some concerns about him potentially reverting back to pandering to the pro-life voters immediately after he won?

 

[Astrid]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/29/politics/fact-check-trump-harris-immigrants-homicide/index.html

Note that I thought it fair to post the original article.

But also note that Trump does not seem to read articles carefully.
This CNN article makes it clear that the 13,000 dangerous people
it refers to, entered the U.S. OVER DECADES, and some of them were
in detention facilities.

Be careful, when Trump starts making claims about thousands of
murderers running around free in the U.S.

“ when any politician”

and thousands of murderers are out free