FLAT or ROUND Earth?

[Bradskii]

Well, you can't be surprised. Obama is calling out those who believe in a flat earth. That's what you are pushing. Not a theological interpretation of what God might have instructed someone to explain to people 2,000 years ago about the majesty of his works in a language that they could understand. You are taking it literally.

That's your call, of course. But what you are saying applies as a metaphor for the world. But we know, as sure as the sun rises, that it's not how the world actually is. We now know more than people 2,000 years ago knew. Or could ever know. I mean gee, hardly any of them could read.

And does the realisation that the bible was written in a way that they could understand and doesn't tie in with what, with out God-given knowledge, we now know...does it change your relationship with God? Of course not.

He's given us the ability to search for knowledge. To understand what His creation actually is. To build the means whereby we can leave the planet and travel to the moon and, if I'm still around, to see them travel to other planets.

In 1968 when 3 Americans became the first people to travel as far as the moon, they did a broadcast home. And they each took it in turn to quote from Genesis. It was appropriate. They weren't doing it from a sound stage in Hollywood. They weren't lying to the world. They were celebrating what they believed God had given them.

I'll bet that if you had met Borman or Anders (who only died a few weeks ago) or could meet Lovell (who is now 96 and the oldest living astronaut) - each of them exceptionally brave men and each solid Christians, then you would trust them.

 

[David Lamb]

The horizon is.......how ever high you intend to go up will always remain level.

I am not talking about whether or not the horizon is level, but how far away it appears. If the earth were a flat disc, it should be at the same distance, regardless of how high up the observer is. But it isn't, as is shown by the fact that on clear days, France is visible from the cliffs at Dover, but not from the beach.

 

[David Lamb]

I'm talking about seeing the horizon line, not seeing a far distance.
Whatever height you are at, whether on a boat looking at the ocean, or looking at land from a plane, the horizon line is always within eye level,
meaning you can always look straight ahead and see the horizon line, no matter what height your at.

I'm talking about vertical distance not horizontal, and about the visible horizon line, there is always some sort of horizon line,
unless for example cars and buildings in the distance block it. Or the distant clouds block it.

None of what you said truly address the horizon line argument.
But yes France is far away from Paignton, trying to look southward you'd have to see through other cities and likely buildings,
looking straight eastward from your house it is a long distance.
But you most definitely can see France from a beach close to your house using a P-900 .
" The Nikon Coolpix P900's zoom lens has an 83x optical zoom and can capture detailed photos of subjects up to 238,900 miles away "

This doesn't make sense. Paignton is on the coast. I can easily see the sea (The English Channel) from my living room window. But I cannot see France, or indeed ships as they go beyond the horizon, no matter how powerful a lens I look through. That is not because France is too far away - it's about 120 miles distant, and large enough to be seen at such a distance. Rather, it is because it is beyond the horizon.

 

[Bradskii]

Rather, it is because it is beyond the horizon.

Rather below the horizon, if I may.

 

[David Lamb]

Rather below the horizon, if I may.

I meant "beyond" as in "further away than". Sorry for any confusion.

 

[Apple Sky]

I'll bet that if you had met Borman or Anders (who only died a few weeks ago) or could meet Lovell (who is now 96 and the oldest living astronaut) - each of them exceptionally brave men and each solid Christians, then you would trust them.

I doubt this b/c they've never been to the moon or will they ever go.

 

[David Lamb]

I doubt this b/c they've never been to the moon or will they ever go.

That doesn't answer the post you were replying to. Bradskii just said that they brave, solid, trustworthy Christians. Or are you saying that they can't be trustworthy because in your view they didn't really go to the moon?

 

[Bradskii]

I doubt this b/c they've never been to the moon or will they ever go.

Could you meet these people and call them liars? Why would they lie?

 

[Apple Sky]

But we know, as sure as the sun rises, that it's not how the world actually is. We now know more than people 2,000 years ago knew. Or could ever know. I mean gee, hardly any of them could read.

Could hardly read ??? How ever did they manage to read hieroglyphics ?

 

[Apple Sky]

Why would they lie?

Threatened, blackmailed, money, who knows why they lie but they do.

 

[Bradskii]

Threatened, blackmailed, money, who knows why they lie but they do.

Then we are done. I've done my best. You aren't interested in listening, learning or understanding. You call honest men liars and expect to be treated as someone who holds honest views. It's not possible.

I'm signing out of this thread. I won't see anything else you post and I'm seriously not interested in reading it in any case. This is a very sad thread and I want no more of it.

 

[Strong in Him]

I do just not the flat earth society, never have & never will.

The flat earth society was, I imagine, set up by flat earthers for flat earthers.
We had a flat earth society at my teacher's training college 40 years ago. They were at the freshers' fair trying to recruit new members. I would imagine they all met one evening and sat around discussing the flat earth and the "evidence" that they had for it.

You said once that you thought the number of flat earthers was increasing. But you don't trust the very group that is responsible for that increase, (if, in fact, there is one,) simply because you were told that the flat earth website was set up to ridicule flat earthers.
You seem to take hearsay as being absolute truth, whereas eyewitness testimony - even from those who think as you do - is lies.
Unbelievable.

 

[Strong in Him]

See even Obama agrees with me

He "doesn't have time for a meeting of the flat earth society" because he doesn't have patience with people who deny that the challenge - of climate change - is real.

You post things out of context and don't even bother checking before you post.
No wonder you get things wrong.

 

[Strong in Him]

Well, you can't be surprised. Obama is calling out those who believe in a flat earth. That's what you are pushing. Not a theological interpretation of what God might have instructed someone to explain to people 2,000 years ago about the majesty of his works in a language that they could understand. You are taking it literally.

That's your call, of course. But what you are saying applies as a metaphor for the world. But we know, as sure as the sun rises, that it's not how the world actually is. We now know more than people 2,000 years ago knew. Or could ever know. I mean gee, hardly any of them could read.

And does the realisation that the bible was written in a way that they could understand and doesn't tie in with what, with out God-given knowledge, we now know...does it change your relationship with God? Of course not.

He's given us the ability to search for knowledge. To understand what His creation actually is. To build the means whereby we can leave the planet and travel to the moon and, if I'm still around, to see them travel to other planets.

In 1968 when 3 Americans became the first people to travel as far as the moon, they did a broadcast home. And they each took it in turn to quote from Genesis. It was appropriate. They weren't doing it from a sound stage in Hollywood. They weren't lying to the world. They were celebrating what they believed God had given them.

I'll bet that if you had met Borman or Anders (who only died a few weeks ago) or could meet Lovell (who is now 96 and the oldest living astronaut) - each of them exceptionally brave men and each solid Christians, then you would trust them.

Great post.
And I largely agree except for the last sentence. Apple Sky has already said that nothing will make her give up her belief in a flat earth. She has previously called Christian eyewitnesses, "deluded freemasons".

Actually, tell a lie, the one thing that would make her renounce everything she stands for is if Dean Odle told her to.

 

[Strong in Him]

Could hardly read ??? How ever did they manage to read hieroglyphics ?

Are hieroglyphics words or pictures?

 

[Strong in Him]

Threatened, blackmailed, money, who knows why they lie but they do.

Another post with absolutely no proof whatsoever.

 

[trophy33]

At least my world does not have to incorporate Hollywood into it.

Just lies, absurdities, accusations, enormous conspiracies and illogical nonsense.

 

[Apple Sky]

He "doesn't have time for a meeting of the flat earth society" because he doesn't have patience with people who deny that the challenge - of climate change - is real.

You post things out of context and don't even bother checking before you post.
No wonder you get things wrong.

I knew that, the clip was posted in jest

 

[Strong in Him]

I knew that, the clip was posted in jest

Yes but that's the problem. You spend so much time mocking and laughing at things, how are we supposed to know whether you are joking or really believe it?

 

[Apple Sky]

Then we are done. I've done my best. You aren't interested in listening, learning or understanding. You call honest men liars and expect to be treated as someone who holds honest views. It's not possible.

I'm signing out of this thread. I won't see anything else you post and I'm seriously not interested in reading it in any case. This is a very sad thread and I want no more of it.

I'm sorry you feel this way, you being born in my home area (Swansea) but I can't just change my truths at the click of a switch.
Thanks for the exercises, they were very helpful in finding out the distances on Google earth.

I wish you all the best & many blessings