Pager Explosions Injure Thousands in Lebanon and Syria - Several Killed

[bèlla]

Excuse me? You have no idea what you are talking about. The religious war is (jihad) is on THEIR side. THEY teach their children (at home AND in schools) to hate Jews and want to kill them. You have blinders on. The only one sinking here is YOU and your support of terrorists.

Did you honestly accuse him of supporting terrorists? You're welcome to your opinion but that's going too far. Just because someone disagrees doesn't make them anti Israel or pro terrorism.

~bella

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Did you honestly accuse him of supporting terrorists? You're welcome to your opinion but that's going too far. Just because someone doesn't make them anti Israel or pro terrorism.

~bella

Constantly blaming Israel. Did you actually read what they wrote? My point was "they would ALL still be alive if Hezbollah and Hamas would stop their constant aggression toward Israel. Pretty simple."

 

[bèlla]

Constantly blaming Israel. Did you actually read what they wrote? My point was "they would ALL still be alive if Hezbollah and Hamas would stop their constant aggression toward Israel. Pretty simple."

It doesn't matter. Accusing a christian of supporting terrorists because of their opinion is unacceptable.

~bella

 

[bèlla]

Treating Israel the same as any other country in the world and not this special country chosen by God is not "constantly blaming Israel". You'll notice how nobody in this thread is blaming Israel for things it is not involved in, e.g., the ongoing conflicts in places like Sudan, Mexico, or Myanmar.

I agree with everything you said. The unwillingness to hold them accountable by christians is deplorable.

She can't, because it got removed after someone complained to the mods that it was "goading", just like this is going to get removed for publicly discussing moderator actions (I don't care to even pretend to follow transparently unevenly-enforced, biased rules anymore, obviously).

I'm sorry I didn't see it sooner. Nor do I believe your opinion warranted what was said.

Accuse a Christian of supporting terrorism for not supporting Israel and for finding fault in their indiscriminate murder of civilians, and that's totally fine. Everyone should still be able to read that.

The hypocrisy is blatant and unending, but of course if you're of the "right opinion" around here, you won't see it that way, because then it's just self-evidently the only opinion a Christian can have. Go freaking figure.

I don't read these threads for several reasons. Most notably the things I've seen posted that justify the actions taken, extreme loss of lives, and rhetoric I consider the antithesis of Christ. Oftentimes the people speaking this way are saying similar things in the political threads. It all sounds unhinged.

I don't know if it's a reflection of the church, the culture, or the people we attract to the faith. But from an outsider's perspective it sounds really sick and I'd want no part of it. That's how I feel when read it.

As for you personally, I've always found your comments even handed and polite. I'm sorry if that isn't respected.

~bella

 

[dzheremi]

Thank you, Bella. That's very kind. I will be the first to admit that I am not actually always even-handed and polite, but to my way of thinking about it, if you're going to be impolite on occasion, better to be so or accused of being so or whatever when the disagreement concerns something that matters. People's lives matter. That 8 year old girl's life matters, just like the lives of the people murdered and taken hostage by Hamas matter. One doesn't matter any more or any less because this one is a Palestinian or Lebanese Arab but that one is an Israeli Jew. I don't care about that. That's why I cannot stomach the way that this issue and many other issues are often presented, where one side is eternally blameless (and God is even on their side!) no matter what they do, while the other is eternally to be blamed, no matter if they are in fact school children who bleed the same color blood in Saida, Lebanon as they do in Safed, Israel.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

It doesn't matter. Accusing a christian of supporting terrorists because of their opinion is unacceptable.

~bella

The same thing is done to me (but of course you don't call it out). Because I support Israel in this I have been called a ghoul and supporting butchers...and of course that is acceptable for you and others here so your opinion of me means nothing to me...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

People's lives matter. That 8 year old girl's life matters, just like the lives of the people murdered and taken hostage by Hamas matter. One doesn't matter any more or any less because this one is a Palestinian or Lebanese Arab but that one is an Israeli Jew. I don't care about that.

...and I have never said anything differently no matter how you want to spin things in your favor...MY point was and always will be, if Hamas and Hezbollah would STOP attacking Israel, ALL of those people would still be alive.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The thread is about something Israel did. Israel should be blamed for the effects of the things it does, no differently than how the world blames the USA and its allies for destroying Iraq, Turkey for meddling in conflicts in Syria and elsewhere, Russia for invading Ukraine, etc. Treating Israel the same as any other country in the world and not this special country chosen by God is not "constantly blaming Israel". You'll notice how nobody in this thread is blaming Israel for things it is not involved in, e.g., the ongoing conflicts in places like Sudan, Mexico, or Myanmar.

Say that someone is being a ghoul for using an 8 year old's murder to 'morally' support the state that murdered her because of who has political power in the part of the world in which she lives (which is totally reasonable; after all, 8 year olds do control Hezbollah and Hamas), and that's unacceptable and should be removed.

Except that Sudan or Mexico and whatever country you want to use as support for your "argument" (which is totally silly) does not fire 1000s of missiles into Israel almost daily nor did they attack Israel on 10/7. So put the blame where blame is due. You are just feeding into the terrorists hand just like the useful idiots on US college campuses saying they are Hamas and "from the river to the sea". I did not use an 8 year old's death to 'morally' support Israel...I am saying she died because of Hezbollah. Hamas and Hezbollah use the death of their own people to garner support. They steal their own people's money and food. In the same breath they blame Israel for everything. Sad.

 

[bèlla]

The same thing is done to me (but of course you don't call it out). Because I support Israel in this I have been called a ghoul and supporting butchers...and of course that is acceptable for you and others here so your opinion of me means nothing to me...

Are you serious? You're berating me for failing to defend you? I responded to a post and rarely read these threads because I find them distasteful. Your support of Israel had no influence on my response.

~bella

 

[bèlla]

People's lives matter. That 8 year old girl's life matters, just like the lives of the people murdered and taken hostage by Hamas matter. One doesn't matter any more or any less because this one is a Palestinian or Lebanese Arab but that one is an Israeli Jew. I don't care about that. That's why I cannot stomach the way that this issue and many other issues are often presented, where one side is eternally blameless (and God is even on their side!) no matter what they do, while the other is eternally to be blamed, no matter if they are in fact school children who bleed the same color blood in Saida, Lebanon as they do in Safed, Israel.

I agree wholeheartedly.

When the protests at Columbia began I posted on the thread. I saw the early stages of what we've witnessed in this one. The crazy train began and went off the rails. That's continued to occur with every update.

There's an element in the church we need to confront regarding it's extremism. They're fanatical and hateful and I wish we could put them out. They make all of us look bad and the justification for their behavior is unbiblical.

This is the face of christianity increasingly so. We're screaming, angry and combative. We look nothing like the Man we claim and we need a reset. The church has been brainwashed about the middle east and has forgotten that all life is sacred to God. They spent more time arguing against abortion than the loss of lives in the war and I find that disturbing.

On a spiritual level, you can't spill that much blood with consequences. Slaying children warrants a greater punishment and the blood never stops crying for justice. That is the case with all wrongful deaths.

~bella

 

[rjs330]

And here's the problem. It seems that NOBODY I have ever met who unwaveringly supports Israel is able to say ANYTHING Israel has ever done to gazans that MIGHT upset them.

None of you even try! But it seems like you don't try because you are totally unaware of it. If you guys said "Listen, I know that the IDF and Israeli intelligence lies often. I know the israeli settlers are stealing the properties of gazans with state support. I know they live like they're in a ghetto. and that the unjustly imprison and hold gazan men for months at a time, baselessly. I know that soldiers are anally raping prisoners with tools. I know all those things, but still, Israel is in the right".

If i knew you'd considered it and THEN came to your conclusion I would feel different. It just seems like the suffering of gazans is never considered UNLESS it's suffering at the hands of hamas...OR....that everything comes back to hamas.

I don't agree with everything Israel does. So you can take that off the table.

The Palestinians lie all the time. It's in tbier religion. You can't believe a thing that comes out of a terrorist or terrorist supporters mouth.

Yeah they are suffereingvdye to the choices they make of who leads them and who's policies they support. Israel hasn't stolen a thing from them. And if they suffer its because of the choices they made. Israel left Gaza in 2006. Almost 20 years ago. And they still attack Israel on practically a daily basis. Sounds to me that harsh justice is being served. They could have a flourishing country by now except they chose violence at every turn.

Can you imagine what would happen if the natives in your country decided that they would launch missiles, send suicide bombers and commit terrorist attacks against your cities? Your country wouldn't be sitting around going, we'll we accept it because we stole the kand from them. It's to be expected. They also wouldn't allow them to launch an attack into Toronto and kidnap and kill 1200 citizens.

It would be interesting to see what your government would do.

 

[rjs330]

So deaths have to be the same on both sides for it to be "fair"...I see.

I guess Israel should have gone into Palistine, killed 1200 people, men women and children, kidnapped 250 others and left. I suppose that would be fair and the left of this world would be just fine with that.

 

[rjs330]

It doesn't matter. Accusing a christian of supporting terrorists because of their opinion is unacceptable.

~bella

Except when thier words indicate they are. We are supposed to be people who speak truth to one another.

We are also supposed to do it in live and that is often missing in these conversations.

Israel does not always do things right. No country does. It's tough enough to do things right when you live in an area of peace. It's harder when when your neighbors are constantly.trying to kill you.

There is a time for war. Jesus would absolutely want peace. He died for all of us no matter if we are a terrorist or a stay at home mom. He loves the world. He is also fully God who's wrath is poured out on the wicked. And throughout scripture he uses countries to bring his judgement upon other nations. And in this case I think he is using Israel to bring his judgement. This will also bring us closer to the time of his glorious return.

I'm actually excited to see the end. Come quickly Lord Jesus. He will bring peace for a 1000 years. Finally.

 

[dzheremi]

Except when thier words indicate they are. We are supposed to be people who speak truth to one another.

What on Earth...? Why say the second thing after having just said the first thing? Nothing says "speaking the truth to one another" like preceding it with "That guy over there supports terrorism" based on literally nothing that I've written!

Jesus would absolutely want peace.

He'd be able to make it happen without killing thousands of civilians, too, unlike the political gods of the Zionists.

And in this case I think he is using Israel to bring his judgement.

The secular state of Israel is now Assyria?

I'm actually excited to see the end.

Why? Are you convinced that Jesus is coming to bring all the Israel-supporters to heaven for being 'right' in a political argument? Because that's what this is: A political argument. How Jesus' return gets wrapped up in it is beyond me (and, notably, basically all Palestinian Christians, who might have a thing or two to say about Jesus that is not based on a dispensationalist reading of scripture and history, should anyone care what those "in the neighborhood" where all this stuff is actually happening have to say about anything).

Come quickly Lord Jesus. He will bring peace for a 1000 years. Finally.

Chiliasm has been condemned as a heresy by the Christian Church since at least the fourth century. "Whose kingdom shall have NO end."

 

[loveofourlord]

I find it interesting that there seems te a thread every time Israel does something that kills someone but we get nothing from the left whenever an Arabic terrorist organization kills some Isrealis. In fact often defend it.

we condem muslim terrrorists, the problem is the proportions. A few die from islamic terrorists, ebcause they have barly and weapons and can't be accurate, vs isreal that then kills THOUSANDS of civillians in reponse. We condemn both sides, we just don't pretend that they are in any way equal. as someone pointed out 150X's people were killed by isreal in response to the attack. Is that in any way shape or form justified? most of them civilians. Isreal has a right to defend itself, but not indescriminetly.

Oh and like we saw in afganistan with double taps, this just creates more terrorists, if my mother was killed by accident by one of these pagers I'm not going to blame hezbelah, I will blame isreal that killed my mom. Same with the gaze bombings, I'm not going to blame hammas, I will blame isreal that sent the shells and bombs. People will not look at who started a fight but who targeted my family. if my family was vacationing and got killed by one of these pagers, I won't be going after the people were killed, but the ones that did it.

 

[bèlla]

Except when thier words indicate they are. We are supposed to be people who speak truth to one another.

You don't know him personally to make that claim and given the gravity of the statement restraint is best.

You don't realize how you sound or how it looks because you're on this forum. But anyone outside of this space would think you're crazy for saying that. It's not an allegation people throw around haphazardly. No one goes around accusing people of supporting terrorists without a compelling reason because it's slander.

I'm actually excited to see the end. Come quickly Lord Jesus. He will bring peace for a 1000 years. Finally.

He's not coming yet so you'd better make peace with your brothers and stop insulting them because you disagree.

~bella

 

[rambot]

There is a time for war. Jesus would absolutely want peace. He died for all of us no matter if we are a terrorist or a stay at home mom. He loves the world. He is also fully God who's wrath is poured out on the wicked. And throughout scripture he uses countries to bring his judgement upon other nations. And in this case I think he is using Israel to bring his judgement. This will also bring us closer to the time of his glorious return.

So we should assume that previous to the Holocaust, Israel DEFINITELY did something really, REALLY wicked...or not.

Also, if Iran were to drop a nuke on Israel, would they then ALSO just be pouring out God's judgement?

 

[Landon Caeli]

I guess Israel should have gone into Palistine, killed 1200 people, men women and children, kidnapped 250 others and left. I suppose that would be fair and the left of this world would be just fine with that.

On that note, it's a good thing I'm not president of Israel with my 30x worse policy.

 

[rambot]

On that note, it's a good thing I'm not president of Israel with my 30x worse policy.

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

MAybe you've heard the verse?

 

[Vambram]

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

MAybe you've heard the verse?

If nations and governments lived by those verses, what do you think ought to happen when violent terrorists and armies attack the civilians of other nations?