"the tribulation of those days" Matthew 24:29

[Douggg]

the tribulation of those days" in Matthew 24:29 is referring to the first 1290 days of the 1335 day long great tribulation.

The abomination of desolation to be setup in Daniel 12:11 in the time of the end, Daniel 12:9.

Then 1290 days (the tribulation of those days ) later, Matthew 24:29 - to the sign of the Son of Man appearing in heaven, Matthew 24:30a. Jesus, sickle in hand, ready to reap the grapes of God's wrath.

Revelation 6: (Matthew 24:29-30a)

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


In reaction, in Revelation 16....

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

For 45 days (1335 days-1290 days) the kings of the earth will gather their armies at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus.

In Daniel 11:45, the beast king, at that time makes ready for his final stand on the temple mount.... and meet his end.

In Matthew 24:30b and Revelation 19:11-21, 1335 days from when the abomination of desolation was first setup, Jesus descends to earth, accompanied by His armies of heaven. The beast-king and the false prophet there on the temple mount will meet their end. As well as Satan's time as a terror ending, as he will be exposed (Ezekiel 28:16-19) and cast into the bottomless pit.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

 

[Douggg]

What will lead up to the 1335 day long Great Tribulation, to begin when the abomination of desolation (the Aod) setup on the temple mount, I show on this timeline chart of mine. The chart begins on Day 1 of the 7 years and ends on Day 2520 of the seven years.

 

[tranquil]

the tribulation of those days" in Matthew 24:29 is referring to the first 1290 days of the 1335 day long great tribulation.

The abomination of desolation to be setup in Daniel 12:11 in the time of the end, Daniel 12:9.

Then 1290 days (the tribulation of those days ) later, Matthew 24:29 - to the sign of the Son of Man appearing in heaven, Matthew 24:30a. Jesus, sickle in hand, ready to reap the grapes of God's wrath.

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Revelation 6: (Matthew 24:29-30a)

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


In reaction, in Revelation 16....

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

For 45 days (1335 days-1290 days) the kings of the earth will gather their armies at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus.

In Daniel 11:45, the beast king, at that time makes ready for his final stand on the temple mount.... and meet his end.

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In Matthew 24:30b and Revelation 19:11-21, 1335 days from when the abomination of desolation was first setup, Jesus descends to earth, accompanied by His armies of heaven. The beast-king and the false prophet there on the temple mount will meet their end. As well as Satan's time as a terror ending, as he will be exposed (Ezekiel 28:16-19) and cast into the bottomless pit.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


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Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.'​

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30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.​

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The sign of the son of man in heaven is the Rev 12:1 sign which is the same sign as the sign of Immanuel in Isaiah 7 and 8.

Rev 12:1 And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth.​

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The Rev 12 sign is taking place at the 7th Trumpet, the 3rd woe.

What 'sun and moon darkening, heavens shaken, and stars falling' is happening at the 7th Trumpet? The 7 bowls of wrath - not the 6th Seal!

Here it is right here:

Rev 16:10The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in anguish 11and cursed the God of heaven for their pain and sores. They did not repent of their deeds.​

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12The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east. 13And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs. 14For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty. 15(“Behold, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake, keeping his garments on, that he may not go about naked and be seen exposed!”) 16And they assembled them at the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.​

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17The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple, from the throne, saying, “It is done!” 18And there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, and a great earthquake such as there had never been since man was on the earth, so great was that earthquake. 19The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell, and God remembered Babylon the great, to make her drain the cup of the wine of the fury of his wrath. 20And every island fled away, and no mountains were to be found. 21And great hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, fell from heaven on people; and they cursed God for the plague of the hail, because the plague was so severe.​

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The 'sun and moon are darkened' at the 5th Bowl: 'its kingdom was plunged into darkness.'

The 'powers of the heavens are shaken' at the 7th Bowl: 'there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder,'

The 'stars fall' at the 7th Bowl: 'great hailstones'. Jesus is not talking about literal 'stars', is he? No, it is these giant hailstones.

This is the same time as the 6th Bowl, which is the war of Armageddon. Yes, we finally agree on something here: Armageddon is taking place between the 1290th day and the 1335th day.

 

[Douggg]

tranquil, I looked at your chart and you have trumpets 1-4 beginning this Oct 17, 2024. And the start of the 5th trumpet, 1st woe, which will last 5 months. Then you have the great tribulation beginning on March 25, 2025.

The first trumpet is...

7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

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tranquil, the great tribulation begins before any of the trumpets sound.

October 17 is about three weeks away from now. So we will see what happens. If a third part of the trees and all of the green grass is burnt up then.

 

[tranquil]

tranquil, I looked at your chart and you have trumpets 1-4 beginning this Oct 17, 2024. And the start of the 5th trumpet, 1st woe, which will last 5 months. Then you have the great tribulation beginning on March 25, 2025.

The first trumpet is...

7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

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tranquil, the great tribulation begins before any of the trumpets sound.

October 17 is about three weeks away from now. So we will see what happens. If a third part of the trees and all of the green grass is burnt up then.

The 'winter, Sabbath' great tribulation should begin March 15, 2025 (if this hypothesis is correct).

The Trumpets and Bowls are the great tribulation. The faithful are sealed going into it! The faithful do not receive wrath. (They are also not raptured.)

The 'trees' are not necessarily literal trees, it refers to the parable of the trees in Judges

Judges 9:7When this was reported to Jotham, he climbed to the top of Mount Gerizim, raised his voice, and cried out: “Listen to me, O leaders of Shechem, and may God listen to you. 8One day the trees set out to anoint a king for themselves. They said to the olive tree, ‘Reign over us.’​

9But the olive tree replied, ‘Should I stop giving my oil that honors both God and man, to hold sway over the trees?’ 10Then the trees said to the fig tree, ‘Come and reign over us.’ 11But the fig tree replied, ‘Should I stop giving my sweetness and my good fruit, to hold sway over the trees?’​

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12Then the trees said to the grapevine, ‘Come and reign over us.’ 13But the grapevine replied, ‘Should I stop giving my wine that cheers both God and man, to hold sway over the trees?’ 14Finally all the trees said to the thornbush, ‘Come and reign over us.’​

15But the thornbush replied, ‘If you really are anointing me as king over you, come and find refuge in my shade. But if not, may fire come out of the thornbush and consume the cedars of Lebanon.’​

It is talking about a violent coup attempt. If you have heard of the UN's Pact for the Future, it could have everything to do with this.

 

[Douggg]

The 'trees' are not necessarily literal trees, it refers to the parable of the trees in Judges

I don't think the first trumpet event is a parable, nor metaphoric, but an actual event which...

7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

What the hail and fire mingled with blood entails exactly - I don't know. The results though are pretty clear.

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Before the great tribulation begins, first there has to be..........

The Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39.

Then the seven years begin, Ezekiel 39:9 - corresponding to the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

Kicking off the false messianic age of the Antichrist, of the world saying "peace and safety" of 1Thessalonians5:3.

And then after about 3 years, that delusion is shattered when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act of 2Thessalonians2:4.

Which results in him, as the revealed man of sin, being killed - and then brought back to life - to become the beast.

The statue image of him as the beast is then made and placed on the temple mount, and the great tribulation begins - 1335 days before Jesus's return.

The trumpet judgements and the vials of God's wrath then take place during the great tribulation.

 

[tranquil]

I don't think the first trumpet event is a parable, nor metaphoric, but an actual event which...

7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

What the hail and fire mingled with blood entails exactly - I don't know. The results though are pretty clear.

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Before the great tribulation begins, first there has to be..........

The Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39.

Then the seven years begin, Ezekiel 39:9 - corresponding to the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

Kicking off the false messianic age of the Antichrist, of the world saying "peace and safety" of 1Thessalonians5:3.

And then after about 3 years, that delusion is shattered when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act of 2Thessalonians2:4.

Which results in him, as the revealed man of sin, being killed - and then brought back to life - to become the beast.

The statue image of him as the beast is then made and placed on the temple mount, and the great tribulation begins - 1335 days before Jesus's return.

The trumpet judgements and the vials of God's wrath then take place during the great tribulation.

Where do you get the idea that Gog attacks before the great tribulation? The attack of Gog starts the great tribulation.

When Gog attacks, it starts God's wrath:

Ezek 38:18 But on that day, the day that Gog shall come against the land of Israel, declares the Lord God, my wrath will be roused in my anger. 19 For in my jealousy and in my blazing wrath I declare, On that day there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20The fish of the sea and the birds of the heavens and the beasts of the field and all creeping things that creep on the ground, and all the people who are on the face of the earth, shall quake at my presence. And the mountains shall be thrown down, and the cliffs shall fall, and every wall shall tumble to the ground.​

compare this with this from the 6th Seal

Rev 6:12 When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, 13and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. 14The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. 15Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, 16calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”​

this is Gog right here
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Dan 9:26 Then the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.​

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this is the destruction of Gog right here​

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The end will come like a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations have been decreed.​

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This ↑ above is the same as this below from Ezek 38​

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Ezek 38:21 I will summon a sword against Gog on all my mountains, declares the Lord God. Every man’s sword will be against his brother. 22With pestilence and bloodshed I will enter into judgment with him, and I will rain upon him and his hordes and the many peoples who are with him torrential rains and hailstones, fire and sulfur. 23So I will show my greatness and my holiness and make myself known in the eyes of many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord.​

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It is also the events of Rev 9:13-21, the 'winter Sabbath, great tribulation' at the 6th Trumpet then we have the mighty angel of Rev 10 who swears an oath to heaven, confirming the covenant with God.​

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Dan 9:27 And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of the temple will come the abomination that causes desolation, until the decreed destruction is poured out upon him.​

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The 'middle of the week' is the 7th Trumpet which begins the kingdom of heaven and starts the beast from the sea and earth.

 

[Douggg]

Where do you get the idea that Gog attacks before the great tribulation? The attack of Gog starts the great tribulation.

No, the Gog/Magog event is years before the beginning of the great tribulation.

A quick review of events....in order.

First the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39.

Then, right after it, is the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9. Coinciding with the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

Then, the beginning of the false messianic age, the world saying peace and safety, as the Antichrist begins the false messianic age.

Then, about three years later, the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act - triggering the beginning of the Day of the Lord. The rapture/resurrection event to take place anytime between right now and before then.

Then, peace taken from the earth, and the revealed man of sin killed. And shortly brought back to life to become the beast.

Then, the statue image of the beast made and placed on the temple mount - triggering the beginning of the great tribulation.