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That's what happens when people fall into the "dishonest rhetoric" trap in the name of "peer approval" that I noted in my previous post.
Based on that map shouldn't the UK be under the heel of TYRANNY?I agree with you, and I am not a gun owner. Your democratic gun owner friends are sensible people.
By the way, Glocks are apparently made in Austria, a country with a much lower gun ownership rate (30 guns/100 people) compared to the US (>100 guns / 100 people).
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The Wall Street Journal reported this week that more and more liberals are buying guns, calling it a "surprising" trend among a group of voters that typically support restrictions.
For a piece published Thursday, the outlet looked at new gun ownership data and spoke to experts and several Democratic gun owners to understand what’s behind this trend.
The piece opened with the example of lifelong Democrat and gun restriction supporter Michael Ciemnoczolowski, who recently bought his first firearm.
Ciemnoczolowski, a liquor store clerk in Iowa City, Iowa told the journal that he bought the weapon because he’s worried about "street crime, armed right-wing extremists" and voiced his fear of U.S. politics getting worse.
"Domestic politics have grown increasingly acrimonious," he told the media outlet.
'Surprising': Gun ownership on the rise among liberals according to a new report
A new report from The Wall Street Journal revealed that there's a "surprising" trend of Democratic voters who are "rediscovering" gun ownership.www.foxnews.com
Sounds like code for gearing up for a civil war. Some of them are already trying to gun down the opposing party.
Actually on this forum. A member talked about wanting a civil war against the liberal and Democrats. And after January 6th. It looks like the extremist on Trump or the right side want civil against Democrat's , liberal's and non extreme Conservatives. Yes, everyone , that's not on the extreme right or left need to protect themselves for the possibility.
When a place like ritzy, low-crime Nantucket (!!!) is hit with crimes like sexual assault against kids, that's a clue crime is getting out of control.The Wall Street Journal reported this week that more and more liberals are buying guns, calling it a "surprising" trend among a group of voters that typically support restrictions.
For a piece published Thursday, the outlet looked at new gun ownership data and spoke to experts and several Democratic gun owners to understand what’s behind this trend.
The piece opened with the example of lifelong Democrat and gun restriction supporter Michael Ciemnoczolowski, who recently bought his first firearm.
Ciemnoczolowski, a liquor store clerk in Iowa City, Iowa told the journal that he bought the weapon because he’s worried about "street crime, armed right-wing extremists" and voiced his fear of U.S. politics getting worse.
"Domestic politics have grown increasingly acrimonious," he told the media outlet.
'Surprising': Gun ownership on the rise among liberals according to a new report
A new report from The Wall Street Journal revealed that there's a "surprising" trend of Democratic voters who are "rediscovering" gun ownership.
Sounds like code for gearing up for a civil war. Some of them are already trying to gun down the opposing party.
Liberals keep telling me that crime is down. The stories of mass pillaging that is going on all over ,surly must be isolated anecdotes.
If I were forced to choose between living in North Korea or the U.K., I would only choose the U.K. because I probably wouldn't starve to death there.
Yeah, but without a hundred guns per person how can we defend ourselves from TYRANNY!?The UK is okay for now.
Is that still true when you omit suicides from that statistic set?
I detect sarcasm. But yes, America has way too many guns per person. How come other countries obsessed with guns have way less guns per person?
Actually gun in the house increases risk of "being assaulted by a gun".Is that still true when you omit suicides from that statistic set?
My understanding of that data is that suicides vastly skew that particular "factoid" that people like to mention. If you have a gun in your home, and you're not suicidal, that gun is very unlikely to kill you.
(keeping in mind, gun restrictions don't have a huge impact on suicide rates. After UK's ban and gun confiscation, their suicide rates remained relatively static, only the preferred method changed)
The UK had one strict round of gun control measures in both 1987 (which eliminated semi-automatic rifles) and another in 1996 (which eliminated most handguns).
Not a huge shift in the numbers...
2 years prior to the restrictions, 7.4...with guns being the method used in ~50% of cases
2 years after the restrictions, 7.5...with "Hanging and suffocation" now sitting atop the list (with intentional overdose as a close 2nd)
According to "Lost all Hope", a suicide prevention organization for England and Wales, "With the change in availability of firearms in the UK, the methods of suicide have become more evenly spread"
That "factoid" also fails to control for the fact that the people who often keep a gun in their home live in high crime areas where home invasions and robberies are more common. So a person who buys a gun for home defense because there are elevated rates of break-ins could be more likely to die by gunshot, but it's not from their own gun in those cases.
That'd be like saying "homes with fire trucks in front of them are 10x more likely to be on fire, therefore, fire trucks cause house fires"
It also fails to control for gang-related activity. A gang member who buys a gun to do "gang stuff" certainly has a higher chance of getting shot by another gang when doing said "gang stuff"
These are the nitty gritty details that need to be controlled for when trying to calculate the kinds of stats you're referring to.
Why would you do that? In the UK farmers have a very high suicide rate precisely because they have easy access to a gun.
