Ohio Sheriff: "Write Down All the Addresses" of Harris Supporters, Calls Illegal Immigrants "Locusts"

[expos4ever]

Our Lord and Savior referred to a group of people as a brood of vipers. Do you, in your self-righteousness, condemn Him also?

Bad analogy. Jesus was critiquing specific people whose hearts He knew. The man who referred to immigrants as insects knows diddly about the hearts of the immigrants. Besides, Jesus was not drawing on a tradition used by racists and xenophobes.

But even setting all that aside, Jesus, as God incarnate, has a privileged position to judge that we do not share. The scriptures represent God as ultimately casting humans into the fire. Does this mean we should model that behavior, and cast our fellow humans into the fire? Of course not.

It is not scripturally accurate to suggest we model all our behaviors on those of Jesus.

 

[expos4ever]

One more for the road, concerning gossip and slander,

Leviticus19:16.

How, exactly, does stating facts about the rhetoric that has been historically used by racists and xenophobes to refer to immigrants constitute gossip or slander?

 

[Chesterton]

Bad analogy. Jesus was critiquing specific people whose hearts He knew. The man who referred to immigrants as insects knows diddly about the hearts of the immigrants. Besides, Jesus was not drawing on a tradition used by racists and xenophobes.

But even setting all that aside, Jesus, as God incarnate, has a privileged position to judge that we do not share. The scriptures represent God as ultimately casting humans into the fire. Does this mean we should model that behavior, and cast our fellow humans into the fire? Of course not.

It is not scripturally accurate to suggest we model all our behaviors on those of Jesus.

You don't have to know people's hearts to know the effects they have on your town.

 

[Robban]

How, exactly, does stating facts about the rhetoric that has been historically used by racists and xenophobes to refer to immigrants constitute gossip or slander?

Unless you live on the leafy side of town, you would realize life has changed in and with mass immigration.

Some feel their lives have been turned upside down, things aint what they used to be,

which in turn makes them say things they would not think of saying otherwise.

I think it has to do with feeling powerless.

Do not judge anyone until you have walked a mile in their shoes, applicable to both locals and immigrants.

Over and out.

 

[hedrick]

Given the discussion of Springfield and Haitians here, this article by the governor of Ohio, a supporter of Trump, is worth reading: Opinion | I’m the Governor of Ohio. I Don’t Recognize the Springfield That Trump and Vance Describe.. The Haitians are there legally, and have enabled an economic renaissance of Springfield, despite also bringing some challenges.

 

[rjs330]

I suspect that's because you weren't really following along.

- Illegal immigrants were called locusts.

- Someone defended that this was okay and that it was a fact that immigrants were locusts, using the expression "Facts don't care about your feelings".

- I pointed out that calling immigrants locusts is not a statement of fact. It's a statement of feeling.

-CryptoLutheran

It's an idiom. Just like idioms are used in the Bible. Sometimes they are used to describe actions or behaviors or situations. Not all idioms are nice ones.
This is one of those not nice idioms. An idiom is not meant to portray that someone IS something, but they are acting or behaving like something.

It's not always nice. Sometimes it's down right rude. Like "she eats like a horse" or "don't cast your pearls to the swine".

Now it may be argued that the depiction is not accurate. Maybe it's not. But at least some that are involved think it is.

 

[rjs330]

No. The way to do that is to pay fair wages to American workers; and to treat legal immigrants who are here legally and want to become part of the American workforce as real people and pay them fair wages too--whether they are here temporarily or if they decide to become citizens.

What we shouldn't do is demonize migrant workers and then exploit their labor, and then further demonize them for doing what the domestic labor force won't; thereby simultaneously exploiting and benefiting from their labor while at the same time regarding them as a force of social evil that must be feared and hated.

Hating someone who directly benefits *you because their exploitation has a direct and causal link to *your own benefit is not just immoral, it's also very weird.

The you here is generic, not you specifically.

-CryptoLutheran

But no one in this case is making that claim. Are they being exploited? Are they being paid unfair wages? There are plenty of American workers who are being paid fair wages and who are not dependable.

In the case mentioned no one has said the Americans are not dependable because their wages are poor or these immigrants are being treated poorly by this CEO. Sounds like he appreciated them.

So question is still unanswered. And the way to do that is to bring in workers from outside the country and then point out how they are better than American workers?

Why is the left bringing this up? They are making rhe point that the Hatians are good workers and pointing out that they are better than American workers.

Which is interesting since they are very focused on trying to tell us that the American worker is awsome.

 

[rjs330]

If we're still talking about the Haitians, they're not illegal. They're here on a sort of temporary refugee status.

Which they shouldn't be. The Immigration policy and laws need to be fixed and unless sponsored by an American they are not allowed to enter the interior of the country. If they cross the border illegally or just show at the border and ask for asylum, they ought to be held until their case is adjudicated. I know this cost money, but I'm willing to pay to make sure those we are getting are those that really need asylum or are those that we need or want.

 

[rjs330]

Were these “vipers” the downcast, the lowly and the meek?

In other words if the idiom is accurate it's okay to use a negative connotation?

 

[rjs330]

Besides, Jesus was not drawing on a tradition used by racists and xenophobes.

So now you are judging men's hearts yourself after you just said we shouldn't model Jesus behaviors?

You said Jesus was God and basically knows things we don't. But then you go on to call people racists and xenophobes without know thier hearts.

That's hypocritical.

Now you could say we could judge their behaviors as wrong. But you have no idea why they are doing it. You have no idea if the person is a xenophobe or a racist.

You can certainly proclaim that the person is wrong to use the locust idiom on people because it's mean. And then we can certainly have a conversation as to whether or not we should.say such things even if they are accurate.

I.ceetainly didn't see you being real upset over people comparing Trump to Hitler.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Which they shouldn't be. The Immigration policy and laws need to be fixed and unless sponsored by an American they are not allowed to enter the interior of the country. If they cross the border illegally or just show at the border and ask for asylum, they ought to be held until their case is adjudicated.

"Temporary Protected Status" isn't about whether an individual would be subjected to persecution at home. It's a designation made by the federal government towards all migrants from a particular country, because their home country is undergoing a crisis (e.g. war). Haiti has had this designation since 2011 after the earthquake. If I understand things correctly, that did not expire before another was issued in 2021 after the collapse of their government.

 

[iluvatar5150]

https://apnews.com/article/ohio-sheriff-social-media-harris-yard-signs-b8867981ca06db3a3ce82f11370b7ee0

 

[expos4ever]

So now you are judging men's hearts yourself after you just said we shouldn't model Jesus behaviors?

No, I am simply stating a fact. To point out that xenophobes have historically used certain language is not a judgment of heart, it is a statement of fact. For example, we know that the Nazis were racists, that is not merely a judgment. And it is a fact that they used this kind of demonizing language.

 

[7thKeeper]

It's an idiom.

This is just terminology, but no, calling people vermin/locusts/etc isn't using an idiom.
Idiom is:

1: an expression in the usage of a language that is peculiar to itself either in having a meaning that cannot be derived from the conjoined meanings of its elements (such as up in the air for "undecided") or in its grammatically atypical use of words (such as give way)

2
a : the language peculiar to a people or to a district, community, or class : dialect

b: the syntactical, grammatical, or structural form peculiar to a language



3: a style or form of artistic expression that is characteristic of an individual, a period or movement, or a medium or instrument
the modern jazz idiom


broadly : manner, style
a new culinary idiom