Ohio Sheriff: "Write Down All the Addresses" of Harris Supporters, Calls Illegal Immigrants "Locusts"

[Robban]

Earlier in this thread, I used the phrase "if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck,..." to suggest that using imagery likening immigrants to insects, vermin, etc. was a strong marker for racism / xenophobia. At least one poster has responded by implying that my characterizing others as "ducks" is just as offensive.

Really? Well, if you ever hear a racist or xenophobe refer to immigrants as a "flock of ducks", then, and only then, you would have a point.

Did you think we were born yesterday?

Try and get out and about a bit more.

There is good and not so good among people, wherever they are from.

 

[7thKeeper]

Wasn't the guy who said it in the first place a local?

I said it wasn't wrong to.use an idiot to describe what's happening. I watched a video of a local who was at an intersection there where an accident had taken place. He said there were already a number of accidents that day caused by Haitian drivers who had no driver licenses.

Which was describing them as locusts. If you cannot see the dehumanising there then... Well I can't help you.

There was a Haitian who crashed I to.a school bus and killed a kid.

Yes, and like the kids parents said, it was a tragic accident.

Yes they are using up resources. And they shouldn't be here at this rate. This is harming America and Americans.

And also giving resources. And they are there legally. You keep leaving those part out intentionally.

This is what happens when you have a president who is letting people flood into the country at record numbers. This needs to be stopped.

So... You're voting against Trump? A lot of these Haitians arrived while he was in office too. They began arriving around 2018.

Idoms are perfectly acceptable to describe things that people are doing or how they are behaving.

Except when the idiom doesn't match and is used to dehumanise them.
Edit: and actually, it doesn't really even fill the definition of an idiom either.

 

[FireDragon76]

That's the American worker for you. It's kind of interesting that the left spends it's time demonizing CEOs and bosses for complaining about workers and spend their time defending the workers who aren't like the Haitians and then turn around and tell us how wonderful the Haitians are for working like the CEOs want Americans to work.

The labor movement on the Left generally wants justice: fair wages and safe working conditions for all workers.

 

[rjs330]

The labor movement on the Left generally wants justice: fair wages and safe working conditions for all workers.

And the way to do that is to bring in workers from outside the country and then point out how they are better than American workers?

 

[childeye 2]

And the way to do that is to bring in workers from outside the country and then point out how they are better than American workers?

That's not an accurate paraphrase of the poster's portrayal of the left's view on labor, in my opinion. It sounds more like the autocratic point of view.

I'm not saying you don't have a valid point. It's just that oftentimes the difference between illegal and legal immigrants get's obscured. We should keep in mind that there's are differences between taking in people seeking asylum or refugee status at the border and people sneaking in illegally, and people that get work visas and overstay their visas, etc...

 

[ViaCrucis]

I don't even know what you are talking about anymore

I suspect that's because you weren't really following along.

- Illegal immigrants were called locusts.

- Someone defended that this was okay and that it was a fact that immigrants were locusts, using the expression "Facts don't care about your feelings".

- I pointed out that calling immigrants locusts is not a statement of fact. It's a statement of feeling.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

And the way to do that is to bring in workers from outside the country and then point out how they are better than American workers?

No. The way to do that is to pay fair wages to American workers; and to treat legal immigrants who are here legally and want to become part of the American workforce as real people and pay them fair wages too--whether they are here temporarily or if they decide to become citizens.

What we shouldn't do is demonize migrant workers and then exploit their labor, and then further demonize them for doing what the domestic labor force won't; thereby simultaneously exploiting and benefiting from their labor while at the same time regarding them as a force of social evil that must be feared and hated.

Hating someone who directly benefits *you because their exploitation has a direct and causal link to *your own benefit is not just immoral, it's also very weird.

The you here is generic, not you specifically.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[iluvatar5150]

I suspect that's because you weren't really following along.

- Illegal immigrants were called locusts.

If we're still talking about the Haitians, they're not illegal. They're here on a sort of temporary refugee status.

 

[ViaCrucis]

If we're still talking about the Haitians, they're not illegal. They're here on a sort of temporary refugee status.

That's true. My use of the phrase was in reference to the thread title and speaking more broadly.

I suspect that legal status was never really the central issue in the broader conversation about migration. I also believe that the conspiracy theories about the Haitian community is a clear demonstration of this.

I also think that Rich Lowry on the Megyn Kelly show let the cat out of the bag on this.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[iluvatar5150]

I suspect that legal status was never really the central issue in the broader conversation about migration. I also believe that the conspiracy theories about the Haitian community is a clear demonstration of this.

I agree.

 

[expos4ever]

Try and get out and about a bit more.

There is good and not so good among people, wherever they are from.

What is your point? Are you denying that referring to immigrants as locusts is degrading and inflammatory? And that it draws upon a well-established tradition amongst xenophobes and racists of referring to immigrants using metaphors of insects, vermin, infection, etc.?

 

[Robban]

What is your point? Are you denying that referring to immigrants as locusts is degrading and inflammatory? And that it draws upon a well-established tradition amongst xenophobes and racists of referring to immigrants using metaphors of insects, vermin, infection, etc.?

For your own sake, be careful with your words.

 

[wing2000]

For your own sake, be careful with your words.

Suggest you mind your own words....which come across as threatening.

 

[expos4ever]

For your own sake, be careful with your words.

Evasion noted. Why are you not answering the question?

 

[Robban]

Suggest you mind your own words....which come across as threatening.

There is an eye that sees and an ear that hears.

 

[loveofourlord]

There is an eye that sees and an ear that hears.

and we can see the threat.

 

[Robban]

and we can see the threat.

There are a number of remembrances, do not forgets, in our tradition we have six, to remember each day.

#5, Deuteronomy 24:9 Miriams negative speech and punishment.

If even Miriam was a Prophetess and sister of Moses, and meant no harm,

how much more so do we need to be careful regarding what we say about others.


One more for the road, concerning gossip and slander,

Leviticus19:16.

 

[Chesterton]

Referring to groups of people as locusts is clearly inappropriate. Dance and rationalize as much as you like, but the term is clearly dehumanizing. The problem with you guys is that when you get caught on something like this, you can't simply take your licks and let it go. You will go down fighting, tooth and nail, even if everyone knows your position is indefensible.

Our Lord and Savior referred to a group of people as a brood of vipers. Do you, in your self-righteousness, condemn Him also?

 

[Pommer]

Our Lord and Savior referred to a group of people as a brood of vipers. Do you, in your self-righteousness, condemn Him also?

Were these “vipers” the downcast, the lowly and the meek?

 

[Chesterton]

Were these “vipers” the downcast, the lowly and the meek?

Dunno. You tell me.