WHY IN ACTS 9:17 and 18 SAY THIS ?

[Dan Perez]

Paul was save in Acts 9:3-6 and becomes the PATTERN of the Ones coming to believe on Him ( meaning Paul ) unto everlasting LIFE .

So why was Paul sent to Ananias to RECOVER sight and might be full of Holy Spirit .?

Then why was Paul , BAPTIZED , INSTANDLY ?

For those that believe in WATER BAPTISM ? was it WATER // HUDOR ??

dan p

 

[David Lamb]

Paul was save in Acts 9:3-6 and becomes the PATTERN of the Ones coming to believe on Him ( meaning Paul ) unto everlasting LIFE .

So why was Paul sent to Ananias to RECOVER sight and might be full of Holy Spirit .?

Then why was Paul , BAPTIZED , INSTANDLY ?

For those that believe in WATR BAPTISM ? was it WATER // HUDOR ??

dan p

We are not told why Paul was sent to Ananias to recover his physical sight. We are just told that God ordained it. Why was Paul baptized? Because he had become a Christian, and Christian believers are taught that they should be baptized. You say "instantly", but it wasn't instant, or he would have been baptized as soon as water was available on the way into Damascus. In fact there were three days between his conversion and his baptism:

“And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.” (Ac 9:9 NKJV)

As to whether or not it was water, the Greek word baptizo used in v18 means "to immerse":

“Immediately there fell from his eyes [something] like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized.” (Ac 9:18 NKJV)

 

[Aristarkos]

So why was Paul sent to Ananias to RECOVER sight and might be full of Holy Spirit .?

This is not told to us, so we can only guess. One of those guesses is that Paul was like dead for three days — like Christ — and "resurrected" by God through the hands of Ananias. Another guess is that Paul's "old man" died en he was three days later "resurrected" as a new creature. But these are just speculations.

Then why was Paul , BAPTIZED , INSTANDLY ?

Because all of the Jews who would enter the Kingdom of Heaven had to confess their sins and were ritually washed to purify or in other words, they were baptized. Baptism is a continuation of the ritual washings of the O.T..

Acts 22:16 "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."

Aristarkos

 

[Dan Perez]

We are not told why Paul was sent to Ananias to recover his physical sight. We are just told that God ordained it. Why was Paul baptized? Because he had become a Christian, and Christian believers are taught that they should be baptized. You say "instantly", but it wasn't instant, or he would have been baptized as soon as water was available on the way into Damascus. In fact there were three days between his conversion and his baptism:

“And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.” (Ac 9:9 NKJV)

As to whether or not it was water, the Greek word baptizo used in v18 means "to immerse":

“Immediately there fell from his eyes [something] like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized.” (Ac 9:18 NKJV)

# 1 Ananias was sent by the Lord Jesus , in Acts 9:17 .

# 2 The the main reason for Saul/ Paul was BAPTIZED was because of Acts 2:38

# 3 Was Saul WATER // HUDOR Baptized , as the Greek word for WATER // HUDOR is not in the Greek text .

# 4 Also notice that the 12 were not the only ones that BAPTIZED .

# 5 Of course I say that Saul // Paul never BAPTIZED , and many say that Paul did BAPTIZE and 1 Cor 1: 15 says , LEST // ME

is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICPLE NEGATIVE and means Saul // Paul NEVERRRRR Baptized nor Baptized with water , lest

anyone should that I HAD BAPTIZED FOR MY NAME , is why Paul could never Baptize anyone .


# 6 As SAUL was a Jew and Israel had to repent of the sin of Crucifying Jesus , verses in Acts 2:36 and 37 , and 38 ,

BAPTISM is just on the biggest divider in the bible !

In Acts 1:5 you will WATER BAPTISM by John and than see , BAPTIZED with Holy Spirit 11



dan p

 

[Aristarkos]

# 5 Of course I say that Saul // Paul never BAPTIZED , and many say that Paul did BAPTIZE and 1 Cor 1: 15 says , LEST // ME

is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICPLE NEGATIVE and means Saul // Paul NEVERRRRR Baptized nor Baptized with water , lest

anyone should that I HAD BAPTIZED FOR MY NAME , is why Paul could never Baptize anyone .

I think you're mistaken here. First let me quote 1 Cor. 1:13 - 16 "13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. 16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. "

So Paul clearly stated here he did baptize and says he didn't baptize them in HIS name. He names three here, Crispus, Gaius and the household of Stephanas. Also note the only baptism that can be done by men is water baptism, no man can baptize in the Holy Spirit as John the Baptist says in Matthew 3:1"1 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:"

Aristarkos

 

[Aristarkos]

I think you're mistaken here. First let me quote 1 Cor. 1:13 - 16 "13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. 16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. "

So Paul clearly stated here he did baptize and says he didn't baptize them in HIS name. He names three here, Crispus, Gaius and the household of Stephanas. Also note the only baptism that can be done by men is water baptism, no man can baptize in the Holy Spirit as John the Baptist says in Matthew 3:1"1 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:"

Aristarkos

I misplace the " above, it must be Matthew 3:11...

Aristarkos

 

[Dan Perez]

I misplace the " above, it must be Matthew 3:11...

Aristarkos

Then will you PLEASE explain Acts 19:19:4-6 ??

Where do you see the word WATER // HUDOR in Acts 19:4-6 .

And where in 1 Cor 1:10 11 , 12 , 13 , 14 and notice that the Greek WATER // HUDOR is not in the Greek text

and in Acts 19:4 the Greek word says And Paul said , John BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO with a BAPTISM // BAPTISMA , explain , Please ?

dan p

 

[Aristarkos]

Then will you PLEASE explain Acts 19:19:4-6 ??

Where do you see the word WATER // HUDOR in Acts 19:4-6 .

And where in 1 Cor 1:10 11 , 12 , 13 , 14 and notice that the Greek WATER // HIDOR is not in the Greek text

and in Acts 19:4 the Greek word says And Paul said , John BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO with a BAPTISM // BAPTISMA , explain , Please ?

dan p

Must the word "water" always be present when water baptism is mentioned? For example this text from Matthew: Matt 21:25 ""The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men?" ..." No water is mentioned.

Water baptism is to admit guilt and ritually wash it of off you. Mark 1:4 says: "John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.". I was a continuation of the Jewish ritual washings, well know in Israel at that time. No water is mentioned.

In Acts 19:4 it says: "Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus." No water is mentioned. John's baptism is always water baptism because that's the only baptism humans can give.

The other baptisms we read about like being baptized in Christ's death (Matt 20:22), no human can give you that, baptism in the Holy Spirit (Matt. 3:11), no human can give you that.

Aristarkos

 

[Dan Perez]

Must the word "water" always be present when water baptism is mentioned? For example this text from Matthew: Matt 21:25 ""The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men?" ..." No water is mentioned.

Water baptism is to admit guilt and ritually wash it of off you. Mark 1:4 says: "John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.". I was a continuation of the Jewish ritual washings, well know in Israel at that time. No water is mentioned.

In Acts 19:4 it says: "Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus." No water is mentioned. John's baptism is always water baptism because that's the only baptism humans can give.

The other baptisms we read about like being baptized in Christ's death (Matt 20:22), no human can give you that, baptism in the Holy Spirit (Matt. 3:11), no human can give you that.

Aristarkos

Must the word "water" always be present when water baptism is mentioned? For example this text from Matthew: Matt 21:25 ""The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men?" ..." No water is mentioned.

Water baptism is to admit guilt and ritually wash it of off you. Mark 1:4 says: "John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.". I was a continuation of the Jewish ritual washings, well know in Israel at that time. No water is mentioned.

In Acts 19:4 it says: "Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus." No water is mentioned. John's baptism is always water baptism because that's the only baptism humans can give.

The other baptisms we read about like being baptized in Christ's death (Matt 20:22), no human can give you that, baptism in the Holy Spirit (Matt. 3:11), no human can give you that.

Aristarkos

And will just present 1 verses !!

# 1 Is in 1 Cor 10:2 And ALL WERE Baptized unto Moses in the CLOUD and in the SEA ? Notice that the Greek word

WATER // HODOR is not in the Greek text !!

# 2 So , were the Thousands of Jews BAPTIZED unto Moses ??

#How do you Water Baptize a CLOUD , and what is the significance of that CLOUD and what the SEA , Means ?

dan p

 

[Aristarkos]

And will just present 1 verses !!

# 1 Is in 1 Cor 10:2 And ALL WERE Baptized unto Moses in the CLOUD and in the SEA ? Notice that the Greek word

WATER // HODOR is not in the Greek text !!

# 2 So , were the Thousands of Jews BAPTIZED unto Moses ??

#How do you Water Baptize a CLOUD , and what is the significance of that CLOUD and what the SEA , Means ?

dan p

In Exo. 14:21 the Israelite went through the sea by faith as on dry land and the pillar of cloud was above them. Since no human did this "baptism", it wasn't the water baptism of John.

Aristarkos

 

[AV1611VET]

# 5 Of course I say that Saul // Paul never BAPTIZED ,

Let's say -- just for the sake of arguing -- that you're right.

Paul never baptized anyone.

What's your point?

 

[Dan Perez]

Let's say -- just for the sake of arguing -- that you're right.

Paul never baptized anyone.

What's your point?

If you read what others believe , Water Baptism will save anyone !!

And many believe that Paul WATER BAPTIZED at least two in 1 Cor 1:14

And Water Baptism is just one of biggest divider in the Body of Christ

Rom 6: 3 reads Or , are you ignorant , that as many were BAPTIZED into Christ were BAPTIZED into his DEATH .

Then in Rom 6:4 says we were buried together with him through this BAPTISMA , and what does BAPTISMA , mean .

And in Eph 4:5 reads ONE // HEIS , LORD , ONE // HEIS , FAITH , ONE // HEIS , BAPTISMA is what the Greek text says ,

BAPTISMA .

And in 1 Cor 15:29 says what is BAPTISM // BAPTIZO for the DEAD .

dan p

 

[AV1611VET]

If you read what others believe , Water Baptism will save anyone !!

Oh, my!

That's not how it works!

Baptismal Regeneration is what led to Infant Baptism.

That's why we Anabaptists were persecuted throughout history.

We would not accept our convert's previous baptisms as legitimate.

 

[Dan Perez]

Oh, my!

That's not how it works!

Baptismal Regeneration is what led to Infant Baptism.

That's why we Anabaptists were persecuted throughout history.

We would not accept our convert's previous baptisms as legitimate.

And you say that you are a Anabaptist and a verse where is a verse for Infant Baptism ?

And not replying to post # 12 , be glad to hear your thoughts ?

dan p

 

[AV1611VET]

And you say that you are a Anabaptist and a verse where is a verse for Infant Baptism ?

There aren't any.

I don't believe in Infant Baptism.

 

[Ain't Zwinglian]

As to whether or not it was water, the Greek word baptizo used in v18 means "to immerse":

Ain't buyin' what your sellin'.

...."the Lord as has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he stood up (ἀναστὰς) and was baptized; 19 and he took food and was strengthened.

Just how is it possible for Paul to be immersed standing up inside the house of Judas?

The "not eating" before his baptism and "eating of food" after his baptism, are the contextual bookends that this all happened in the same location and in short time.

Furthermore, as Paul retells this story in Acts 22:16 he uses the same language. Why do you delay? STAND UP (ἀναστὰς) and be baptized, and wash away your sins by calling on His name." The same Greek for for "stand up" in both passages. And this happened very quickly as 22:16 states: Do not delay.

Paul was not immersed in the house of Judas.

• We have two texts from Scripture,
• both commenting on the same event,
• both using the same Greek verb for standing up,
• both commenting on a mode of baptism and contextually it cannot be immersion baptism.

In any and all circumstances in interpreting an historical narrative, we use the plain text rule. The plain text clearly states baptism was administered to Paul in a standing position.

 

[Dan Perez]

Oh, my!

That's not how it works!

Baptismal Regeneration is what led to Infant Baptism.

That's why we Anabaptists were persecuted throughout history.

We would not accept our convert's previous baptisms as legitimate.

Then why do you say , " That's WE Anabaptists were persecuted throughout history ?

Why do you then say that you are not a Anabaptists ?

dan p

 

[AV1611VET]

Then why do you say , " That's WE Anabaptists were persecuted throughout history ?

Because we Anabaptists were persecuted throughout history.

Why do you then say that you are not a Anabaptists ?

I'm technically an Anabaptist.

Over time, some of us dropped the "ana" prefix -- (meaning "again" or "re-") -- and embraced a narrower version.

To wit, "Independent Fundamental Baptist."

We still require anyone joining our church to be scripturally baptized.*

* We call it "believer's baptism."

 

[Dan Perez]

Because we Anabaptists were persecuted throughout history.



I'm technically an Anabaptist.

Over time, some of us dropped the "ana" prefix -- (meaning "again" or "re-") -- and embraced a narrower version.

To wit, "Independent Fundamental Baptist."

We still require anyone joining our church to be scripturally baptized.*

* We call it "believer's baptism."

AND what verse does an Anabaptist use to prove that we have to be BAPTIZED ?

dan p

 

[AV1611VET]

AND what verse does an Anabaptist use to prove that we have to be BAPTIZED ?

We don't HAVE to be baptized for our salvation.

Baptism and the Lord's Table are ordinances, not sacraments.