"God doesn't owe you anything" is a destructive doctrine.

[Jamdoc]

I've heard it so many times especially if I express dissatisfaction with someone else's idea of what heaven is like (in general the idea that what you do in heaven is endlessly praise God for "all the good things He did for you" on this cursed Earth and cursed body), I've believed it, I've even parroted it to other people and especially parroted it at myself.
What profit has it wrought? Nothing good. It has created self loathing, depression, and doubt in the goodness of God, created a version of God that just sits on His laurels and basks in worship and if you don't like it, you can go get tortured in hell.

The reality? God is better than that, and not just for some greatest expression of Stockholm syndrome in the universe scenario where He can torture you forever but doesn't and you're just thankful you're not being tortured, but rather because He has promised to provide, to compensate losses, to reward, and to establish a relationship far greater than a slave and his Master that the other doctrine builds up. A slave master doesn't owe the slave anything, doesn't compensate, etc. You're owned, you're property, and you work and just be thankful you don't get whipped.

But God has made promises, and therefore does owe you things. Not because you deserve them, or anything to do with you, but because He promised them and therefore if He does not owe them and can hold back on them, it would reflect negatively on His own character, name and goodness. It would defile His glory, it would paint Him a liar and a hypocrite.

Not only does God promise eternal life but also promises:

Matthew 19

28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

Now the first promise there is to the 12 disciples but to everyone who follows Jesus there's the second promise, God has promised to compensate what you lose, or forsake to follow Him.
and many people will teach, that that compensation is just seeing Jesus on His throne and praising Him endlessly for letting you go through all that suffering .
that paints God to be bait and switching people. He doesn't. It is also not just Eternal life, Eternal life is an and there, it's lumped in with other things, It's Eternal life AND 100 fold what you lost.

John 14

1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Too often have I heard "heaven's not about you it's about Jesus" and makes it seem like if you don't like THEIR idea of heaven then tough luck you can just tough it out stoically for all eternity (or go to hell, that's a common retort too). But Jesus has promised to make a place for you a place you will be at home in, a place that won't be uncomfortable to be in. This really hits home with me because, I've never really felt at home anywhere, I have felt like a refugee everywhere I have ever been, and other people's descriptions of heaven never felt like home either. The one time I did read about a place, that actually seemed like it might be home, is Eden, and Isaiah 65, a place where God has made for humans to dwell, and He would provide for them, blessing them, hearing their supplications before they even voice them, and providing.
So this idea that God made a place just for Himself and you just have to tough it out, hurt, because it seemed like I'd never be in a place that felt like home, truly home.
On a tangent, when people say "you don't deserve to be there" and stress that, it translates to "you don't belong there" and reinforces the idea that you will never be somewhere you belong or fit in.
Or they'll parrot the idea that God will "change you" to like the place, like instead of making a place for you He'll make you for a place, divine brainwash, though they hate that term being used because it has negative connotations.
But that's not the promise, the promise is, a place prepared for you.

Speaking of Isaiah 65, more promises

21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.
24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

That 1. What work you do on the New Earth will be yours, you won't be paying taxes, tributes, working for an employer's profit, what you do, you will enjoy the fruits of it.
2 The curse on the bearing of children is undone, I don't know how this works without marriage, but there are children, and offspring, and they are blessed, no longer born on a cursed Earth.
3. That God will hear and answer prayers before you even say them

Jesus lists several promises of what overcomers will be given in Revelation 2 and 3, including delegated authority, a new name, etc
and ultimately this from God the Father

Revelation 21

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

All things. Everything provided, and a promise of a relationship that is not just master and slave, but God and son.
A Father expects to be obeyed
A Father expects to be respected
but a Father provides, a Father protects, a Father has joy in His children, a Father gives gifts and asks nothing in return but to be thankful. A Father teaches, a Father loves, a Father is patient, A Father is there to answer questions, and is a very personal relationship.
These are things that a Father owes, not because a child is so great at being a great and obedient child, but because He is a great Father.

 

[NBB]

Maybe when they say 'God does not owe you anything' it can mean that he comply with his promises, and is not going to fail you.
But it could be taken as 'God is not obligated to give you stuff' which is a lie because he does what he promised.
God promised salvation to everyone who believes in Jesus.

 

[Jamdoc]

Maybe when they say 'God does not owe you anything' it can mean that he comply with his promises, and is not going to fail you.
But it could be taken as 'God is not obligated to give you stuff' which is a lie because he does what he promised.
God promised salvation to everyone who believes in Jesus.

no it's being used in the sense that God doesn't have to do anything for you so you should just be grateful He doesn't send you to hell, that's basically the context of it, if you don't like a vision of heaven that is you just stare at Jesus and sing hymns 24/7.

They will also follow up with things like "Doesn't God DESERVE to rest on His laurels and get worshiped?"
They turn it into you hate God if you expect more.

I find it destructive. God made promises and it belittles His character to expect anything but fulfillment of those promises.

Like think of Darth Vader in Star Wars, he makes a deal with Lando at the Cloud City, but keeps changing his side of the deal "I'm altering the deal, pray I don't alter it any further".
These brothers will basically say God is entitled to alter the deal, and deserves to be able to do so, and instead of "it'd be a shame if I had to leave a garrison here" it's "it'd be a shame if I just threw you into hell" and you should just be happy He doesn't alter the deal further.

But that actually.. makes God look less good, that He would bait and switch, that He would alter His promises and exchange you something else instead of what He promises.

I guess what I mainly mean is, no, you SHOULD expect, what God promises, don't expect substitutions and say God's entitled to give you the substitutions and "it could be worse"
Because that makes God look terrible.
You have to see it as God honors the promises He makes.
because unlike us, He will keep those promises. That's His character.

 

[HarleyER]

no it's being used in the sense that God doesn't have to do anything for you so you should just be grateful He doesn't send you to hell, that's basically the context of it, if you don't like a vision of heaven that is you just stare at Jesus and sing hymns 24/7.

They will also follow up with things like "Doesn't God DESERVE to rest on His laurels and get worshiped?"
They turn it into you hate God if you expect more.

I find it destructive. God made promises and it belittles His character to expect anything but fulfillment of those promises.

I think you have this a bit backwards and I would sincerely suggest finding a more biblical church. God isn't here to "get worshiped". Rather He is here to share His glory with us. And this is His promise.

Our God is a loving God who desires nothing more then to be with His creation. He loves each and every one of us, wants to see the very best for us, and wants to be with us. God didn't have to do anything for us, but He showed His great love for us in that, while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

We, on the other hand, are evil and rebellious towards God and His love for us. By nature we hate God and demonstrate this through our constant sinning and rebellion to His Word.

God is on a rescue mission to save us from ourselves so that we can be with Him. To do so, He was willing to sacrifice His only Son. We not only deserve hell, but everyone of us is headed there already who have not place their faith in Jesus Christ.

One can only understand the great depths of God's love by understanding the sinfulness that reigns within our hearts. I, for one, look forward to worshipping Him forever and if I sing psalms and hymns 24/7, that sound just great. It wouldn't be long enough.

 

[Jamdoc]

I think you have this a bit backwards and I would sincerely suggest finding a more biblical church. God isn't here to "get worshiped". Rather He is here to share His glory with us. And this is His promise.

Our God is a loving God who desires nothing more then to be with His creation. He loves each and every one of us, wants to see the very best for us, and wants to be with us. God didn't have to do anything for us, but He showed His great love for us in that, while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

We, on the other hand, are evil and rebellious towards God and His love for us. By nature we hate God and demonstrate this through our constant sinning and rebellion to His Word.

God is on a rescue mission to save us from ourselves so that we can be with Him. To do so, He was willing to sacrifice His only Son. We not only deserve hell, but everyone of us is headed there already who have not place their faith in Jesus Christ.

One can only understand the great depths of God's love by understanding the sinfulness that reigns within our hearts. I, for one, look forward to worshipping Him forever and if I sing psalms and hymns 24/7, that sound just great. It wouldn't be long enough.

There you go though
You're okay with God renegging on His promises, and suggesting I should be too.
You're okay with God doing a bait and switch.

 

[NBB]

no it's being used in the sense that God doesn't have to do anything for you so you should just be grateful He doesn't send you to hell, that's basically the context of it, if you don't like a vision of heaven that is you just stare at Jesus and sing hymns 24/7.

They will also follow up with things like "Doesn't God DESERVE to rest on His laurels and get worshiped?"
They turn it into you hate God if you expect more.

I find it destructive. God made promises and it belittles His character to expect anything but fulfillment of those promises.

Like think of Darth Vader in Star Wars, he makes a deal with Lando at the Cloud City, but keeps changing his side of the deal "I'm altering the deal, pray I don't alter it any further".
These brothers will basically say God is entitled to alter the deal, and deserves to be able to do so, and instead of "it'd be a shame if I had to leave a garrison here" it's "it'd be a shame if I just threw you into hell" and you should just be happy He doesn't alter the deal further.

But that actually.. makes God look less good, that He would bait and switch, that He would alter His promises and exchange you something else instead of what He promises.

I guess what I mainly mean is, no, you SHOULD expect, what God promises, don't expect substitutions and say God's entitled to give you the substitutions and "it could be worse"
Because that makes God look terrible.
You have to see it as God honors the promises He makes.
because unlike us, He will keep those promises. That's His character.

_Yes he promised abundant life, he also promised to fill everyone with the Holy spirit, those who seek and ask, i think big part of getting blessed by God is being filled with the HS. For me it's the greatest blessing.

 

[Jamdoc]

_Yes he promised abundant life, he also promised to fill everyone with the Holy spirit, those who seek and ask, i think big part of getting blessed by God is being filled with the HS. For me it's the greatest blessing.

He promises a lot more than that though.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

I've heard it so many times especially if I express dissatisfaction with someone else's idea of what heaven is like (in general the idea that what you do in heaven is endlessly praise God for "all the good things He did for you" on this cursed Earth and cursed body), I've believed it, I've even parroted it to other people and especially parroted it at myself.
What profit has it wrought? Nothing good. It has created self loathing, depression, and doubt in the goodness of God, created a version of God that just sits on His laurels and basks in worship and if you don't like it, you can go get tortured in hell.

The reality? God is better than that, and not just for some greatest expression of Stockholm syndrome in the universe scenario where He can torture you forever but doesn't and you're just thankful you're not being tortured, but rather because He has promised to provide, to compensate losses, to reward, and to establish a relationship far greater than a slave and his Master that the other doctrine builds up. A slave master doesn't owe the slave anything, doesn't compensate, etc. You're owned, you're property, and you work and just be thankful you don't get whipped.

But God has made promises, and therefore does owe you things. Not because you deserve them, or anything to do with you, but because He promised them and therefore if He does not owe them and can hold back on them, it would reflect negatively on His own character, name and goodness. It would defile His glory, it would paint Him a liar and a hypocrite.

Not only does God promise eternal life but also promises:

Matthew 19

Now the first promise there is to the 12 disciples but to everyone who follows Jesus there's the second promise, God has promised to compensate what you lose, or forsake to follow Him.
and many people will teach, that that compensation is just seeing Jesus on His throne and praising Him endlessly for letting you go through all that suffering .
that paints God to be bait and switching people. He doesn't. It is also not just Eternal life, Eternal life is an and there, it's lumped in with other things, It's Eternal life AND 100 fold what you lost.

John 14

Too often have I heard "heaven's not about you it's about Jesus" and makes it seem like if you don't like THEIR idea of heaven then tough luck you can just tough it out stoically for all eternity (or go to hell, that's a common retort too). But Jesus has promised to make a place for you a place you will be at home in, a place that won't be uncomfortable to be in. This really hits home with me because, I've never really felt at home anywhere, I have felt like a refugee everywhere I have ever been, and other people's descriptions of heaven never felt like home either. The one time I did read about a place, that actually seemed like it might be home, is Eden, and Isaiah 65, a place where God has made for humans to dwell, and He would provide for them, blessing them, hearing their supplications before they even voice them, and providing.
So this idea that God made a place just for Himself and you just have to tough it out, hurt, because it seemed like I'd never be in a place that felt like home, truly home.
On a tangent, when people say "you don't deserve to be there" and stress that, it translates to "you don't belong there" and reinforces the idea that you will never be somewhere you belong or fit in.
Or they'll parrot the idea that God will "change you" to like the place, like instead of making a place for you He'll make you for a place, divine brainwash, though they hate that term being used because it has negative connotations.
But that's not the promise, the promise is, a place prepared for you.

Speaking of Isaiah 65, more promises

That 1. What work you do on the New Earth will be yours, you won't be paying taxes, tributes, working for an employer's profit, what you do, you will enjoy the fruits of it.
2 The curse on the bearing of children is undone, I don't know how this works without marriage, but there are children, and offspring, and they are blessed, no longer born on a cursed Earth.
3. That God will hear and answer prayers before you even say them

Jesus lists several promises of what overcomers will be given in Revelation 2 and 3, including delegated authority, a new name, etc
and ultimately this from God the Father

Revelation 21

All things. Everything provided, and a promise of a relationship that is not just master and slave, but God and son.
A Father expects to be obeyed
A Father expects to be respected
but a Father provides, a Father protects, a Father has joy in His children, a Father gives gifts and asks nothing in return but to be thankful. A Father teaches, a Father loves, a Father is patient, A Father is there to answer questions, and is a very personal relationship.
These are things that a Father owes, not because a child is so great at being a great and obedient child, but because He is a great Father.

You've kind of cross connected a couple different sights in the above

There is a sight you refer to that some call the millennial reign on earth when the devil and his messengers are put out. Whether anyone alive here and now will participate in that or not remains to be seen. It's a debatable position i.e. it's not entirely clear. But that whole study is a different segment than the heaven equations

 

[Jamdoc]

You've kind of cross connected a couple different sights in the above

There is a sight you refer to that some call the millennial reign on earth when the devil and his messengers are put out. Whether anyone alive here and now will participate in that or not remains to be seen. It's a debatable position i.e. it's not entirely clear. But that whole study is a different segment than the heaven equations

Isaiah 65 is about the New Heavens, and New Earth.

Isaiah 65

17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Isaiah 65 is about the New Heavens, and New Earth.

I understand. Maybe we can dial it in a bit:

2 Corinthians 5:17

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Not everything is as it appears in the mirror.

We know the Isaiah account you reference is not heaven and possibly not the new heaven and earth referenced in Revelation. Why? Because death is still involved and we know from Rev. that the power of death shall be no more.

Isaiah 65:
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

And this may also be associated with the vision of dry bones. Some speculate it's a time when "all of Israel" shall be saved and inhabit the earth, free of the devil and his messengers, and hence the category, the millennial reign. And there are many takes and versions on this particular topic. Some saying it's even now.

But it's NOT the heaven spoken of at the end.

The O.T. prophets always have cloudy sights on these matters, interspersed along various timelines. In other words a lot of their words are not strictly contained in linear time structures. They look back, they look forward and they look in the here and now

 

[Jamdoc]

I understand. Maybe we can dial it in a bit:

2 Corinthians 5:17

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Not everything is as it appears in the mirror.

We know the Isaiah account you reference is not heaven and possibly not the new heaven and earth referenced in Revelation. Why? Because death is still involved and we know from Rev. that the power of death shall be no more.

Isaiah 65:
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

And this may also be associated with the vision of dry bones. Some speculate it's a time when "all of Israel" shall be saved and inhabit the earth, free of the devil and his messengers, and hence the category, the millennial reign. And there are many takes and versions on this particular topic. Some saying it's even now.

But it's NOT the heaven spoken of at the end.

The O.T. prophets always have cloudy sights on these matters, interspersed along various timelines. In other words a lot of their words are not strictly contained in linear time structures. They look back, they look forward and they look in the here and now

as I've heard it the passage in Isaiah 65 is not saying there's still death ongoing on the New Earth, but rather than those on the New Earth won't die, the sinners who are accursed, die the second death, and aren't in it.

But the passage does say it's the New Earth, and then describes it.

I mean the language about rejoicing forever in what God creates doesn't sound like a temporary thing like the Millennial Kingdom, and neither does the language about no more weeping. That's Revelation 21 language.
So I wouldn't say that God says He's creating a new heavens and new earth... and then changes subjects to something else in His description, He says He is creating a New Heavens and New Earth, and then describes it. Just don't let the word death and sin throw you off. What's being described is that death ISN'T going to happen, and sinners aren't going to be there.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

in Isaiah 65 is not saying there's still death ongoing

Pretty sure I just quoted Isaiah saying a child shall die.

Checking...

Yup

"-the child shall die-"

That's the thing when it comes to end time analysis. These kinds of subtleties are inserted to keep us on track and not get ahead of ourselves

There are other open clues to this matter as well in Isaiah 65, showing that there is another class of, what I'd see as the devil and his messengers, being displaced

13 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:

I'd suggest this is a period of time when the tables are turned on the devil and his messengers who currently dominate the majority of people, and for the most part people are unaware of their internal slaveship to these aliens, ala Mark 4:15, 2 Cor. 4:4, Eph. 2:2, 1 John 3:8 etc

The devils are sinners too you know

There will be a time when the devil will be diminished to near nothingness within the human temples, prior to the final gathering and them being removed entirely and sent to the eternal flames, Matt. 25. Jesus will be with us, in His fullness

2 Cor. 6:
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

When we perceive our condition, we essentially are enabled to "divide" or "separate" from our adversary, at least in principle, understanding it's not "us." And I'd suggest this is a precursor for what is to come, on earth

 

[Jamdoc]

Pretty sure I just quoted Isaiah saying a child shall die.

Checking...

Yup

"-the child shall die-"

That's the thing when it comes to end time analysis. These kinds of subtleties are inserted to keep us on track and not get ahead of ourselves

There are other open clues to this matter as well in Isaiah 65, showing that there is another class of, what I'd see as the devil and his messengers, being displaced

13 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:

I'd suggest this is a period of time when the tables are turned on the devil and his messengers who currently dominate the majority of people, and for the most part people are unaware of their internal slaveship to these aliens, ala Mark 4:15, 2 Cor. 4:4, Eph. 2:2, 1 John 3:8 etc

The devils are sinners too you know

There will be a time when the devil will be diminished to near nothingness within the human temples, prior to the final gathering and them being removed entirely and sent to the eternal flames, Matt. 25. Jesus will be with us, in His fullness

2 Cor. 6:
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

When we perceive our condition, we essentially are enabled to "divide" or "separate" from our adversary, at least in principle, understanding it's not "us." And I'd suggest this is a precursor for what is to come, on earth

It also says God's people will rejoice in it forever.
I guess it's a temporary forever then and God bait and switched saying He was talking about the New Heavens and New Earth but then talks about something else instead.
But you're okay with God bait and switching.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

It also says God's people will rejoice in it forever.
I guess it's a temporary forever then and God bait and switched saying He was talking about the New Heavens and New Earth but then talks about something else instead.
But you're okay with God bait and switching.

I'm not saying it doesn't transition past the millenial reign into a permanent state.

Millennialism is a legit theological topic. It's also one that is reserved for those with esoteric interests, not surface skimming

 

[HarleyER]

There you go though
You're okay with God renegging on His promises, and suggesting I should be too.
You're okay with God doing a bait and switch.

What do you think that God promise you that you deserve?

 

[Jamdoc]

I'm not saying it doesn't transition past the millenial reign into a permanent state.

Millennialism is a legit theological topic. It's also one that is reserved for those with esoteric interests, not surface skimming

It's not a transition or continuation

17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

the first Earth passes away, it's gone, this is something totally new.

18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

This is a place enjoyed forever, so the eternal new Jerusalem
not a temporary millennial kingdom.
There is nothing in the text that has a switch to a millennial kingdom description.

So what is more likely is that we poorly understand the next verse, the one that people think makes it Millennial Kingdom rather than New Earth, even though God says it is New Earth.

but let's go past that verse, since that one throws everyone for a loop and continue on

21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

Giving the image of something that just grows and grows through the ages, not dying off.

anyway, this is a tangent

 

[Jamdoc]

What do you think that God promise you that you deserve?

as I said at first, it's not about we deserve.
it's about God promised and therefore, God delivers on promises He makes.
Not because we deserve any of it, but because of God's character to keep promises.
It would make His character LESS if He renegged.

If God renegs then God becomes a liar, a sinner, and is no longer God.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

This is a place enjoyed forever, so the eternal new Jerusalem
not a temporary millennial kingdom.

Only if you discount death still being during that time and an entire entity class under duress

 

[Guojing]

I've heard it so many times especially if I express dissatisfaction with someone else's idea of what heaven is like (in general the idea that what you do in heaven is endlessly praise God for "all the good things He did for you" on this cursed Earth and cursed body), I've believed it, I've even parroted it to other people and especially parroted it at myself.
What profit has it wrought? Nothing good. It has created self loathing, depression, and doubt in the goodness of God, created a version of God that just sits on His laurels and basks in worship and if you don't like it, you can go get tortured in hell.

The reality? God is better than that, and not just for some greatest expression of Stockholm syndrome in the universe scenario where He can torture you forever but doesn't and you're just thankful you're not being tortured, but rather because He has promised to provide, to compensate losses, to reward, and to establish a relationship far greater than a slave and his Master that the other doctrine builds up. A slave master doesn't owe the slave anything, doesn't compensate, etc. You're owned, you're property, and you work and just be thankful you don't get whipped.

But God has made promises, and therefore does owe you things. Not because you deserve them, or anything to do with you, but because He promised them and therefore if He does not owe them and can hold back on them, it would reflect negatively on His own character, name and goodness. It would defile His glory, it would paint Him a liar and a hypocrite.

Not only does God promise eternal life but also promises:

Matthew 19

Now the first promise there is to the 12 disciples but to everyone who follows Jesus there's the second promise, God has promised to compensate what you lose, or forsake to follow Him.
and many people will teach, that that compensation is just seeing Jesus on His throne and praising Him endlessly for letting you go through all that suffering .
that paints God to be bait and switching people. He doesn't. It is also not just Eternal life, Eternal life is an and there, it's lumped in with other things, It's Eternal life AND 100 fold what you lost.

John 14

Too often have I heard "heaven's not about you it's about Jesus" and makes it seem like if you don't like THEIR idea of heaven then tough luck you can just tough it out stoically for all eternity (or go to hell, that's a common retort too). But Jesus has promised to make a place for you a place you will be at home in, a place that won't be uncomfortable to be in. This really hits home with me because, I've never really felt at home anywhere, I have felt like a refugee everywhere I have ever been, and other people's descriptions of heaven never felt like home either. The one time I did read about a place, that actually seemed like it might be home, is Eden, and Isaiah 65, a place where God has made for humans to dwell, and He would provide for them, blessing them, hearing their supplications before they even voice them, and providing.
So this idea that God made a place just for Himself and you just have to tough it out, hurt, because it seemed like I'd never be in a place that felt like home, truly home.
On a tangent, when people say "you don't deserve to be there" and stress that, it translates to "you don't belong there" and reinforces the idea that you will never be somewhere you belong or fit in.
Or they'll parrot the idea that God will "change you" to like the place, like instead of making a place for you He'll make you for a place, divine brainwash, though they hate that term being used because it has negative connotations.
But that's not the promise, the promise is, a place prepared for you.

Speaking of Isaiah 65, more promises

That 1. What work you do on the New Earth will be yours, you won't be paying taxes, tributes, working for an employer's profit, what you do, you will enjoy the fruits of it.
2 The curse on the bearing of children is undone, I don't know how this works without marriage, but there are children, and offspring, and they are blessed, no longer born on a cursed Earth.
3. That God will hear and answer prayers before you even say them

Jesus lists several promises of what overcomers will be given in Revelation 2 and 3, including delegated authority, a new name, etc
and ultimately this from God the Father

Revelation 21

All things. Everything provided, and a promise of a relationship that is not just master and slave, but God and son.
A Father expects to be obeyed
A Father expects to be respected
but a Father provides, a Father protects, a Father has joy in His children, a Father gives gifts and asks nothing in return but to be thankful. A Father teaches, a Father loves, a Father is patient, A Father is there to answer questions, and is a very personal relationship.
These are things that a Father owes, not because a child is so great at being a great and obedient child, but because He is a great Father.

The ascended Christ saved Paul to be the apostle of the gentiles (Romans 11:13), and he said clearly in Romans 9:4

Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

So I strongly suggest you read Romans to Philemon to understand what promises God actually gave you, a gentile in the Body of Christ.

Don't steal Israel's promises in scripture and claim them for yourself.

 

[Jamdoc]

Only if you discount death still being during that time and an entire entity class under duress

as I said, it is one awkwardly worded verse that we are probably not understanding correctly, but all the text before and after that one verse, depicts an eternal state.

Instead of taking that 1 verse out of context and developing a doctrine around it, saying it describes something that God does not say it describes (this Earth after Christ returns) I'd say it's the better bet to agree with God, that it's about the New Earth, and admit, the verse in question is worded in a way that is poorly understood. Because what the verse actually says is that there's no longer going to be babies and people dying young is the real point. of it, with one portion of the verse being phrased in a way in hebrew, to suggest that babies are dying at 100. I've read the interlinear and the syntax is difficult.